Dak vs Wentz comparison thread **merged**

[DogFace]

Wentz seems good too. Is he two first round picks better than Dak? Or even better at all when you add that Dak appears, to me, to be stronger and a better runner.
Dak may be the steal of this draft. Maybe the biggest steal in a while.
We'll see.

 

[tyke1doe]

The Wentz worship on this site is unreal. Dak threw for nearly 100 more yards than Wentz, but Wentz gets the 'real deal' label while we need to pump our breaks on Dak and be skeptical.

The only thing we haven't really seen from Dak in an actual game yet is him launching the ball down the field and that probably has as much to do with the coaching staff than him since we seen him do it in preseason. How does he not have Wentz's passing ability when he threw for nearly 300 yards last game with no interceptions last game? He put up 19 points and would have possibly beat the Giants, the same team that held Drew Brees to 13 points, if Terrance Williams gets out of bounds.

If Dak had the same game as Wentz last night, he'd be called a dink and dunk game manager around here who can only throw for touchdowns if the defense puts him at the 2 yard line. Wentz gets to play two of the lesser teams in the league and has an amazing defense to keep him free of pressure. He also has a coach that doesn't baby him and can actually draw up an offensive game plan that doesn't simply involve receivers trying to beat their man. We'll see how he does when he starts playing tougher teams, especially divisional teams. Wentz better learn how to slide before he gets knocked out of the game, because right now he's a big hit magnet.

Now Wentz has the tools to be a great quarterback, but he's judged on a completely different metric than Dak, and I'm guessing because he's the quarterback many actually wanted to draft.

I don't think anyone is anointing Wentz. But what you may be interpreting from posters praising him is the backlash against posters who said Wentz would fall flat on his face based on his preseason play.

It's the counter reaction to those who wanted to anoint Dak the "answer" after his stellar performance in preseason.

 

[Grevus]

Wentz is getting the hype right now. The love feast was a bit sicking at times last night. Wentz played well, but he played two defenses that have issues. I'm not surprised that he had good games against them. Most of his throws were short dinks and dunks. I do think that he takes way too many unnecessary hits, and it willing to throw the ball into tight coverage when maybe he shouldn't. What most impressed me is the play calling and getting receivers wide opened in the secondary. I'm more surprised over the coaching staff than I am with Wentz.

Bottom line, Dak has played 2 divisional games which are always much harder regardless of how good the team is. Wentz has played 2 lesser teams with poor QB play and spotty defenses. I'm not saying that Dak is a better QB right now, but I like what I'm seeing with him and Wentz as much as I hate to say that.

 

[THEHEREAFTER]

To the OP. Let's also note Wentz has played Cleveland at home and at Chicago. Two teams that will probably combine for 6 wins or less perhaps. Much different than divisional opponents. Not saying that you're way off but we need more data as Jay-Z once said..."you need more people." Simply too early but Wentz has been impressive nonetheless. You can only play your schedule. Let's revisit this topic next Monday morning after Wentz plays Pittsburgh.

 

[DoomsDayD]

Watching Wentz last night I still see the same things I noticed during the draft.
1. He still has the ability to diagnostic defenses and adjust the play call.
2. He sees all the options at passing and find the open receiver.
3. He has the outstanding ability to set his offensive personnel.
4. He can knock the eye out of a squirrel at 80 yards on the run.
5. He is already at a veteran level at game management for 4 quarters.

Dak is still a rookie who needs coaching support
1. He is a pretty good passer but does not have Wentz touch passing ability.
2. He has pretty good awareness of his receivers but sees only to his second maybe third option.
3. Dak is a better runner than Wentz.
4. Dak still needs time studying game tape to notice how defenses scheme and set up for him.

As Rookies at QB I have Wentz as an "A". I have Dak at a B+ or A-. The rest are not up to these two in NFL talent yet (Goff).

OK, shoot!

I will reserve my opinion until both of these teams..(cowboys/eagles) actually plays a good team. Granted,giants arent bad but they dont strike fear in my heart...And of the teams played by both the.(cowboys/eagles) they have a combined record of 2-6...Giants having both wins. Huge test for eagles comes this week against Pittsburgh and ours starts after the bears when we see the 49ers,bengals and packers. That's is my take/opinion.

 

[JBS]

There is no "at this point" about it. Prescott will always have an inferior arm and the things people praise Prescott for Wentz also has in spades.

He's the real deal. Complete package. Superior player.

Hope he gets hurt. That's what we're left with.

I want to see him play an NFL defense first

No the Browns don't count


And the bears don't count either


None of them count until Wentz sucks, OK ******

 

[dstew60105]

There is no "at this point" about it. Prescott will always have an inferior arm and the things people praise Prescott for Wentz also has in spades.

He's the real deal. Complete package. Superior player.

Hope he gets hurt. That's what we're left with.

LOL, still can't admit you were wrong on Dak? Too funny.

 

[kevm3]

I think Wentz has a clearly superior arm to Dak. Pre-draft measurements confirm this. If all else is equal that makes Wentz the superior player. Could possibly mention that Wentz is playing with nothing, compared to all the weapons Dak has, him doing it with much more limited preparation. You can rationalize those things all you want, it is still there and a factor. Wentz stretches the field more because he throws the long passes. We've seen a bit of that from Dak in pre-season, but i'll wait to see when he does it in real games before saying he can do it. Him not doing it is giving defenses an advantage over us, whether that's his fault or not.

We can also mention that our superior weapons are nullified by the offensive gameplan. This is the same team that couldn't win a single game without Romo when another qb started. We lost, what, a minimum of 12 games without Romo? We often use our 70 million dollar receiver in games as a decoy and we're actually amazed when Dez is in motion... We get amazed at football 101. Wentz is also playing with a much better defense, so the pressure isn't constantly on him to score on every drive. Therefore, he's freer to take shots down the field.

I don't see any of these guys as clearly superior to the other. It's way too early to tell. They both look to be capable future qbs. We just lucked out by not having to give up a treasure trove of picks to get our guy.

 

[stilltheguru88]

Wentz has a clearly superior arm to Russell Wilson too. So does Matt Stafford. Who cares? Not me. Score points and win games.

 

[VACowboy]

Carson who?

#GoCowboys!

 

[dstew60105]

I want to see him play an NFL defense first

No the Browns don't count


And the bears don't count either


None of them count until Wentz sucks, OK ******

And you can't just compare Dak vs. Wentz. You have to look at the cost associated with getting the player. Is Wentz better then Zeke, Jaylon Smith and whomever Dallas takes at #1 next year plus Dak? Doubt it.

 

[JBS]

And you can't just compare Dak vs. Wentz. You have to look at the cost associated with getting the player. Is Wentz better then Zeke, Jaylon Smith and whomever Dallas takes at #1 next year plus Dak? Doubt it.

Wentz didn't cost that much

They traded Bradford and got a lot back...that counts too

 

[IrishAnto]

We've already made the giant investment in a QB & WR so it's not that big of a deal. Our money is still wrapped up in those 2 guys.

It's not like we can go spend the money elsewhere because we saved money on QB.

But equally it' not like we could spend the money on a QB either!!!

Especially as in an ideal world the QB (Dak or Wentz) would sit behind Romo until Romo retires.

 

[dfense]

Wentz seems a lot better at setting himself up for totally unnecessary shots from defenders. I hope he keeps it up.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Watching Wentz last night I still see the same things I noticed during the draft.
1. He still has the ability to diagnostic defenses and adjust the play call.
2. He sees all the options at passing and find the open receiver.
3. He has the outstanding ability to set his offensive personnel.
4. He can knock the eye out of a squirrel at 80 yards on the run.
5. He is already at a veteran level at game management for 4 quarters.

Dak is still a rookie who needs coaching support
1. He is a pretty good passer but does not have Wentz touch passing ability.
2. He has pretty good awareness of his receivers but sees only to his second maybe third option.
3. Dak is a better runner than Wentz.
4. Dak still needs time studying game tape to notice how defenses scheme and set up for him.

As Rookies at QB I have Wentz as an "A". I have Dak at a B+ or A-. The rest are not up to these two in NFL talent yet (Goff).

OK, shoot!

Well its simple - Wentz is a 2nd pick, Dak is almost 5th round pick.
It is a matter of opinion as well. I watched Dak audible out of several plays against Commanders which he didn't do against Giants. I have seen him read defense and line up players accordingly. Has a really nice and accurate throw. I think the distance shots have more to do with coaching.

 

[kevm3]

Wentz didn't cost that much

They traded Bradford and got a lot back...that counts too

If we drafted him, we'd have to give up a haul for Cleveland to have taken our deal over Philly. I'm saying at least 2 1sts and a 2nd. We don't have a Bradford to trade to lower the Wentz compensation, unless the Cowboys were willing to trade Romo.

 

[black label]

I don't see the stronger arm, but I see the better touch from Wentz.

It's going to be fun to compare these two for years, but I'm placing my bet on our guy.

Might be a homer pick, but I like what's between his ears and what beats in his chest more.

Dak has the demeanor of a guy that deals with adversity better. Only time will tell.

you dont see the stronger arm? lol

 

[Kalyan]

The Wentz worship on this site is unreal. Dak threw for nearly 100 more yards than Wentz, but Wentz gets the 'real deal' label while we need to pump our breaks on Dak and be skeptical.

The only thing we haven't really seen from Dak in an actual game yet is him launching the ball down the field and that probably has as much to do with the coaching staff than him since we seen him do it in preseason. How does he not have Wentz's passing ability when he threw for nearly 300 yards last game with no interceptions last game? He put up 19 points and would have possibly beat the Giants, the same team that held Drew Brees to 13 points, if Terrance Williams gets out of bounds.

If Dak had the same game as Wentz last night, he'd be called a dink and dunk game manager around here who can only throw for touchdowns if the defense puts him at the 2 yard line. Wentz gets to play two of the lesser teams in the league and has an amazing defense to keep him free of pressure. He also has a coach that doesn't baby him and can actually draw up an offensive game plan that doesn't simply involve receivers trying to beat their man. We'll see how he does when he starts playing tougher teams, especially divisional teams. Wentz better learn how to slide before he gets knocked out of the game, because right now he's a big hit magnet.

Now Wentz has the tools to be a great quarterback, but he's judged on a completely different metric than Dak, and I'm guessing because he's the quarterback many actually wanted to draft.

I agree, their offense is wide open passing attack with 3 wr set most of the time, it will make anyone look good, like Nick Foles, Alex Smith. JG will not do that even if he had joe montana

 

[MrPeanutbutter]

If we drafted him, we'd have to give up a haul for Cleveland to have taken our deal over Philly. I'm saying at least 2 1sts and a 2nd. We don't have a Bradford to trade to lower the Wentz compensation, unless the Cowboys were willing to trade Romo.

Can you imagine how bad we would be for the foreseeable future if we gave up that big of a haul? QB play is VERY far from our team's problem.

Even if Dak isn't the future, he has the poise to hold the fort while the organization scouts what they want in the future.

 

[Section446]

I'd certainly hope so, the guy was the #2 overall pick, has a far superior team around him, and has a better coach. But, even with all that, if he's ahead of Rayne, it's not by much.