Dak wasn't that good last night **merged**

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Dak played a much better game than credit is being given. I'm a harsh Dak critic but it's hard to fault a guy when the offense is committing penalties that are wiping out good plays and momentum. And hard to fault a QB when the ball hits a receiver in the hands and he drops it killing a drive where things seemed to be clicking.

OK, then why are these excuses acceptable for the QB but not the head coach? because the head coach gets criticized and people call the above excuses....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

In terms of numbers he wasn't. But he did show much better accuracy than the previous week. He needs work but at least he improved. Once he becomes more accurate and sees things quicker he won't have to rely on his legs so much. Can he do that? I don't know. The book is still out. All I know is he needs to keep throwing and throwing and throwing, and doing all of the extra little things after practice that a guy like Tony Romo did to improve upon his game.

once he becomes accurate or if he becomes more accurate.....in his third year, some fundamentals should be there by now.

 

[Blake]

This is the start of his 3rd freaking season. He should already be better.

He is better. Atleast he was against NY, you guys just aren't giving credit where it is due. Dak executed the offense really well.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

That's what they said about Aikman, a FIRST pick in the draft. His third year? 229 yards a game, 11 tds and 10 ints in 12 games. Seems similar to Dak. But Aikman turned out all right, didn't he?

Every quarterback doesn't develop at the same rate, have a little patience...

two different era's of football. in Aikman's time a 3000 yard passer was considered high...we have had 5000 yard passers in the new era....its like comparing aikman and montana to the QBs in the 60's....different game....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Exactly, I remember when the whole issue with RG3, it was pointed out back then by Shanahan that he took more hits in the pocket than out.

which meant he is holding on to the ball too long, not seeing the WRs, not seeing the field. he wasn't that good from the pocket.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

So you are blaming the FO for Travis's illness? You can't plan for that yet you add his absence into the equation of what's wrong. "New guys" aren't good enough?

basically he said, Dak needs a very strong set of players around him to be any good and be able to effectively drive the bus. Dak can't elevate the players around him, as we have seen when a couple of players went missing.

 

[G2]

basically he said, Dak needs a very strong set of players around him to be any good and be able to effectively drive the bus. Dak can't elevate the players around him, as we have seen when a couple of players went missing.

You are delirious.

 

[cwbyfn88]

OK, then why are these excuses acceptable for the QB but not the head coach? because the head coach gets criticized and people call the above excuses....

The head coach has a proven track record of being terrible 11 years worth. That's all I have to say to that

 

[JoeKing]

basically he said, Dak needs a very strong set of players around him to be any good and be able to effectively drive the bus. Dak can't elevate the players around him, as we have seen when a couple of players went missing.

He said Dak isn't Romo so they can't win consistently with him. I disagree. Dak may need a strong set of supporting case but the dude buying the groceries has given him just that. Now, the O-line has a weak spot with Travis out and they are doing all they can to overcome that. But Dak has weapons like Zeke and Tavon. Dak has a bag of tricks that gives defenses fits like the read option and the go route that Tavon burned the Giants on early. Dak isn't going to give you Romo-like stats but that's not his game anyway. Dak's game is driving the crap out of a bus armed to the teeth with weapons everywhere. He may have to target 8 different targets in a single game. We are just now seeing what that bus can do. I can't wait to see more.

 

[Cap12]

I am not here ot deal with feelings.

I am here to correct false statements and mis-characterizations and provide context where possible.

Aikman was not a volume or yardage passer EVEN in his era.
He was an efficient passer and a winner.
His quarterback rating was an 81.6.
His winning % in regular season games was 57%
His comp % was 61.5
His yard gained per attempt was 7.0

Dak is much more an Aikman type player than Romo.
He relentless protects the football having been among the lead leaders in fewest turnovers for his position at every turn.
His comp % is 65.2
His regular season winning % is 67%
His yard gained per attempt was 7.3
His quarterback rating is 95.1

Neither Romo or Dak was an "Aikman type player". Both were better playmakers than Troy, but Troy was way more accurate than Dak and was more careful with the ball than Romo. Troy was arguably a bus driver with a big, accurate arm. In his hay day, he could make plays when neccessary, but for a while, he drove such an amazing bus that all he had to do was hand off to 22 and throw to 88 and 84 most of the time and good things would happen. With the line he had, nobody would touch him. When chinks started to appear in the "Great Wall" OL,, Aikman's lack of playmaking and his inability to stay healthy ended his career prematurely.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I don't hate Prescott. I have nothing against him. I made an observations supported by facts. and I stated an opinion. I don't think Prescott is got a bright future as a NFL caliber QB that can take us to the superbowl at the level he is playing. can he raise the level of his game? at this point, in year 3 I am not sure any more. he has regressed. so you just want me to throw praise at him? so you feel better about the cowboys QB position?

Never asked you to praise the guy.

Just didn't think you offered a fair evaluation of his game vs. the Giants.

 

[G2]

Neither Romo or Dak was an "Aikman type player". Both were better playmakers than Troy, but Troy was way more accurate than Dak and was more careful with the ball than Romo. Troy was arguably a bus driver with a big, accurate arm. In his hay day, he could make plays when neccessary, but for a while, he drove such an amazing bus that all he had to do was hand off to 22 and throw to 88 and 84 most of the time and good things would happen. With the line he had, nobody would touch him. When chinks started to appear in the "Great Wall" OL,, Aikman's lack of playmaking and his inability to stay healthy ended his career prematurely.

Confused on your last sentence.

 

[Cap12]

He is better. Atleast he was against NY, you guys just aren't giving credit where it is due. Dak executed the offense really well.

To be honest, he's not progressing. Linehan is bringing him back a step with the playcalls from the Giants game. He had to because Dak didn't look ready to run the offense he had in place week one. The play design was good, but Dak failed to make the right reads or deliver the ball on time against Carolina. Yes, there were dumb penalties and the line did not always give him a clean pocket, but for the most part, they protected him okay. He ran into at least three sacks and did not hit the myriad of open receivers thoughout the game, who were playing against a fairly weak secondary (that got torched by Matt Ryan Week 2 for comparison).. While part of this was rust, due to the dumb decision by the coaching staff to not give him more snaps in preseason games, a lot of this was on Dak's development.

By bringing back the "spread'em out" RPO, as his base offense, Linehan is giving Dak a chance to be more effective now. It also might be a sign that Dak isn't ready to be an NFL Franchise QB too. He's got one more year to improve, but he should be farther along than he is. In this league, it is unusual for RPO QBs to a have long term success. Learning to be consistent from the pocket is the way a QB can have a lengthier career and desribes most Franchise QBs.

 

[Cap12]

Confused on your last sentence.

Early in his career, Aikman could scramble when neccesary and improvise on throws. By the end, injuries robbed him of his decent playmaking skills, he took a beating because the line was not as good and he did not have the same relaible targets in Irvin and Novacek. He basically became a statue in the pocket and didn't have the same cailber of line and reliable receivers.

 

[G2]

Early in his career, Aikman could scramble when neccesary and improvise on throws. By the end, injuries robbed him of his decent playmaking skills, he took a beating because the line was not as good and he did not have the same relaible targets in Irvin and Novacek. He basically became a statue in the pocket and didn't have the same cailber of line and reliable receivers.

Yeah, but read what you typed

 

[Cap12]

Yeah, but read what you typed

If you are refering to the "c" word I used, I did not mean it as a slur, but the actual definition of the word, which means fissure or crack in a wall.

 

[G2]

If you are refering to the "c" word I used, I did not mean it as a slur, but the actual definition of the word, which means fissure or crack in a wall.

I'm inappropriate.

 

[Blake]

To be honest, he's not progressing. Linehan is bringing him back a step with the playcalls from the Giants game. He had to because Dak didn't look ready to run the offense he had in place week one. The play design was good, but Dak failed to make the right reads or deliver the ball on time against Carolina. Yes, there were dumb penalties and the line did not always give him a clean pocket, but for the most part, they protected him okay. He ran into at least three sacks and did not hit the myriad of open receivers thoughout the game, who were playing against a fairly weak secondary (that got torched by Matt Ryan Week 2 for comparison).. While part of this was rust, due to the dumb decision by the coaching staff to not give him more snaps in preseason games, a lot of this was on Dak's development.

By bringing back the "spread'em out" RPO, as his base offense, Linehan is giving Dak a chance to be more effective now. It also might be a sign that Dak isn't ready to be an NFL Franchise QB too. He's got one more year to improve, but he should be farther along than he is. In this league, it is unusual for RPO QBs to a have long term success. Learning to be consistent from the pocket is the way a QB can have a lengthier career and desribes most Franchise QBs.

Not a bad point. Will see how the rest of the season plays out. I still need to see more proof that the RPO isn't effective, but I get what you're saying. If they tailor the offense to Dak's strength and it works consistently, hard to argue against it. That said, I'm severely disappointed in Dak, that it even had to come to this. He's transcendent in alot of other intangible areas though, that get brushed aside or go unnoticed. That's why I still have a little faith.

 

[keysersoze]

basically he said, Dak needs a very strong set of players around him to be any good and be able to effectively drive the bus. Dak can't elevate the players around him, as we have seen when a couple of players went missing.

Not true. Dak elevated Cole Beasley to a level of play Romo didn’t. If you’ll credit Romo for Patrick Crayton, Miles Austin and Laurent Robinson then you have to credit Cole Beasley to Dak.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The head coach has a proven track record of being terrible 11 years worth. That's all I have to say to that

but do we wait for 11 years and write excuses for dak as many have been? as people have written excuses for the head coach? how many years do we need before accepting the facts. my point was we are writing excuses for one, yet dismissing excuses for the other...