Dak wasn't that good last night **merged**

He said Dak isn't Romo so they can't win consistently with him. I disagree. Dak may need a strong set of supporting case but the dude buying the groceries has given him just that. Now, the O-line has a weak spot with Travis out and they are doing all they can to overcome that. But Dak has weapons like Zeke and Tavon. Dak has a bag of tricks that gives defenses fits like the read option and the go route that Tavon burned the Giants on early. Dak isn't going to give you Romo-like stats but that's not his game anyway. Dak's game is driving the crap out of a bus armed to the teeth with weapons everywhere. He may have to target 8 different targets in a single game. We are just now seeing what that bus can do. I can't wait to see more.
those skills didn't give Carolina fits...they contained him easily...the giants gave up 13 points into the 4th quarter....any DC will take that if you ask him any day of the week. one long pass play, does not a weapon make. consistency is key. we don't have that. we have a play here, a drive there and the rest is meh.....
 
Neither Romo or Dak was an "Aikman type player". Both were better playmakers than Troy, but Troy was way more accurate than Dak and was more careful with the ball than Romo. Troy was arguably a bus driver with a big, accurate arm. In his hay day, he could make plays when neccessary, but for a while, he drove such an amazing bus that all he had to do was hand off to 22 and throw to 88 and 84 most of the time and good things would happen. With the line he had, nobody would touch him. When chinks started to appear in the "Great Wall" OL,, Aikman's lack of playmaking and his inability to stay healthy ended his career prematurely.
Aikman wasn't bus driver, his ability to read defenses, withstand pressure and make accurate throws is what made him special. I don't call that bus driver. he took from the defenses with his arm and ability...just because he couldn't run, it didn't make him a bus driver, then I guess you would call Brady a bus driver too?
 
He said Dak isn't Romo so they can't win consistently with him. I disagree. Dak may need a strong set of supporting case but the dude buying the groceries has given him just that. Now, the O-line has a weak spot with Travis out and they are doing all they can to overcome that. But Dak has weapons like Zeke and Tavon. Dak has a bag of tricks that gives defenses fits like the read option and the go route that Tavon burned the Giants on early. Dak isn't going to give you Romo-like stats but that's not his game anyway. Dak's game is driving the crap out of a bus armed to the teeth with weapons everywhere. He may have to target 8 different targets in a single game. We are just now seeing what that bus can do. I can't wait to see more.
The irony in this is... We didn’t win consistently with Romo either. But he was allotted 10 years of excuses.
 
Aikman wasn't bus driver, his ability to read defenses, withstand pressure and make accurate throws is what made him special. I don't call that bus driver. he took from the defenses with his arm and ability...just because he couldn't run, it didn't make him a bus driver, then I guess you would call Brady a bus driver too?
So..... You just don’t like athletic quarterbacks huh? Hmmmm..... I wonder why?:huh:
 
Early in his career, Aikman could scramble when neccesary and improvise on throws. By the end, injuries robbed him of his decent playmaking skills, he took a beating because the line was not as good and he did not have the same relaible targets in Irvin and Novacek. He basically became a statue in the pocket and didn't have the same cailber of line and reliable receivers.
you are equating scrambling ability, with play making ability. the two aren't the same. one is for ESPN Highlight reels, the other is ability to make tough throws....accurately and putting your offensive players in position to succeed.
 
So..... You just don’t like athletic quarterbacks huh? Hmmmm..... I wonder why?:huh:
I do...I like athletic QBS. but more importantly I like accurate QBs that can effectively throw from the pocket. if they can't, all the athleticism in the world, ain't going to make the team better. Romo was athletic but he was very accurate and good pocket passewr first...his scrambling ability just allowed him to make plays out of broken plays....that's gravy. if the only time you can make plays is running and scrambling but you can't do the rest...you are not a good QB
 
but do we wait for 11 years and write excuses for dak as many have been? as people have written excuses for the head coach? how many years do we need before accepting the facts. my point was we are writing excuses for one, yet dismissing excuses for the other...
I don't want to make too quick a judgement on Dak. You can excuse a lot of things when someone is still young. 4-5 years in I don't think any excuses are applicable
 
those skills didn't give Carolina fits...they contained him easily...the giants gave up 13 points into the 4th quarter....any DC will take that if you ask him any day of the week. one long pass play, does not a weapon make. consistency is key. we don't have that. we have a play here, a drive there and the rest is meh.....
We are only two games into a season and you are mocking "consistency" because the performance in the first game of the season didn't meet your approval? So the only thing that would make you happy is perfection. It's obvious you only care about stats and Dak will never be good enough for you.
 
Not a bad point. Will see how the rest of the season plays out. I still need to see more proof that the RPO isn't effective, but I get what you're saying. If they tailor the offense to Dak's strength and it works consistently, hard to argue against it. That said, I'm severely disappointed in Dak, that it even had to come to this. He's transcendent in alot of other intangible areas though, that get brushed aside or go unnoticed. That's why I still have a little faith.

No, I'm all for it. He'll have some success with it, but man if he could have ran some of Linehan's playcalls against Carolina, with his athletic ability, the sky would be the limit for him. I think that was Linehan's hope and belief, at least. Instead, we're going to get an approximation of 2016, without the same talent on the line, TE and WR. Again, I think Dak can make it work some, but I don't see this as a playoff quality offense. The good news is that the D appears to be and maybe that will be enough.
 
I don't want to make too quick a judgement on Dak. You can excuse a lot of things when someone is still young. 4-5 years in I don't think any excuses are applicable
By year 3, with 34 regular season starts and one playoff start under his belt, you would hope that he would be further along in his reads and decision making.

Not saying that he can't improve, but if he doesn't make some serious improvement by the end of next season, he's likley gone (or playing for peanuts and competing for a job).
 
We are only two games into a season and you are mocking "consistency" because the performance in the first game of the season didn't meet your approval? So the only thing that would make you happy is perfection. It's obvious you only care about stats and Dak will never be good enough for you.
its not just about this season, this is just continuation from last season. now its 10+ games..... and its regression as opposed to improvements. I don't want perfection. I want better than 15/24 for 96 yards and 4YPA and lets not even discuss the Carolina game mess and we can continue back to last season.....sorry, I just don't see Dak as a high level caliber NFL QB.... you can make your own judgement.
 
By year 3, with 34 regular season starts and one playoff start under his belt, you would hope that he would be further along in his reads and decision making.

Not saying that he can't improve, but if he doesn't make some serious improvement by the end of next season, he's likley gone (or playing for peanuts and competing for a job).
That's a fair statement. But he is only in year three. Not yet having a full third year. Year one it seemed like they gave him free reign. Year two it seems like they gave him a vanilla Playbook. Now in year 3 it looks like he has freedom again. I hope that gives him confidence and helps him learn to get through his progressions faster. You can't turn a quarter back into something that they are not. She does not have the best pocket awareness. Thus makingmaking him a traditional pocket passer will not work. That's why he was very bad last year. Seldom did he take off and run. Having that skill-set for defenses to worry about freeze up receivers because the defense has to have a guy spying the QB the entire time
 
its not just about this season, this is just continuation from last season. now its 10+ games..... and its regression as opposed to improvements. I don't want perfection. I want better than 15/24 for 96 yards and 4YPA and lets not even discuss the Carolina game mess and we can continue back to last season.....sorry, I just don't see Dak as a high level caliber NFL QB.... you can make your own judgement.
We are a different team from last season so you can't be thinking like that. If you are going to fairly evaluate this team then evaluate this version of this team meaning only what is done this season. With the exception of their first game, they are undefeated but you are calling it regression. If you don't accept that statement then you are looking for perfection. You don't just want wins, you want them to win a certain way.
 
I am not advocating that a QB must not be a running QB. but a QB has to be able to be effective from the pocket...everything else is gravy......if he can't effectively pass from the pocket and be an effective passer, then just make him a RB....
which meant he is holding on to the ball too long, not seeing the WRs, not seeing the field. he wasn't that good from the pocket.

No, he was getting hit because his damn line sucked, was always injured. He was safer running.
 
exactly...he was good his first year. teams figured him out. kept him in the pocket and when he ran, they hit him hard and china doll broke down often. RGIII wasn't a good QB.


He wasn't figured out, the read option and rpos are still live and well in the NFL, see Sunday night. He refused to run the read option in Washington. While in Washington he had one of the prettiest deep ball and a cannon. He wanted to focus on his intermediate game, but let his ego and cockiness take over, that's why he was benched.
 
IMHO I did offer a fair evaluation. I gave him praise for the one big play and pointed out the flaw in the rest.

Here's what Bob Sturm said in his recent article found at the Athletic:

"Prescott threw three deep shots and they all had intent. The first one hit Austin and the other two were on successive plays in the final snaps of the first Quarter, so we can safely assume all three were scripted during the week and all of them were to different targets.

There were a few poor throws, but Prescott had a much better day than he did the previous Sunday. No, he is probably not a good starter in fantasy football, but literally no Cowboys fan should care about that. They should care about his ability to move the offense by any means, protect the ball, and put this team in a position to win. He does that and has for most of his career. He has faults and I am not suggesting you sign him to a $150m contract but he is also better than many are making him out to be these days.

In other words, you can win games and go to the playoffs with Dak Prescott. Sunday, we saw the recipe."


There you go.
 
Aikman wasn't bus driver, his ability to read defenses, withstand pressure and make accurate throws is what made him special. I don't call that bus driver. he took from the defenses with his arm and ability...just because he couldn't run, it didn't make him a bus driver, then I guess you would call Brady a bus driver too?
Brady never had the overall talent that Aikman had when they were playing meaningful games. Brady also managed to play at a sustained level of excellence far longer than Troy. I loved Troy Aikman and he was a big part of what we did here in the 90s, but let's not mistake the fact that it was Emmitt that was the engine that drove this team, not Troy. I also did not say that Troy was a bus driver. I said it was arguable that he was and it is a valid opinion.
 
That's a fair statement. But he is only in year three. Not yet having a full third year. Year one it seemed like they gave him free reign. Year two it seems like they gave him a vanilla Playbook. Now in year 3 it looks like he has freedom again. I hope that gives him confidence and helps him learn to get through his progressions faster. You can't turn a quarter back into something that they are not. She does not have the best pocket awareness. Thus makingmaking him a traditional pocket passer will not work. That's why he was very bad last year. Seldom did he take off and run. Having that skill-set for defenses to worry about freeze up receivers because the defense has to have a guy spying the QB the entire time
There are a lot of QBs who have performed better after 34 starts. That is a decent sample size to determine if a QB will be successful. Dak has had some success, but not running the kind of schemes that work long term for a QB. There are exceptions to the rule (Cam seems to be shaping up into that), but for the most part, RPO QBs don't have a good record for longevity in the NFL.
 
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