Dak wasn't that good last night **merged**

Cap12 said:
There are a lot of QBs who have performed better after 34 starts. That is a decent sample size to determine if a QB will be successful. Dak has had some success, but not running the kind of schemes that work long term for a QB. There are exceptions to the rule (Cam seems to be shaping up into that), but for the most part, RPO QBs don't have a good record for longevity in the NFL.
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That last part is true. I disagree with the first part but that's just my own personal opinion not saying you are wrong.
 
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/09/19/d...vers-running-game-jason-garrett-scott-linehan

In 2016, Dak Prescott played under better conditions than any rookie QB in history, if not any QB period. His offensive line was a step beyond dominant, giving the Cowboys a commanding running game and its quarterback routinely clean pockets from which to throw. Defenses were still treating Dez Bryant like a No. 1 receiver, rolling safety help his way. That clarified Prescott's reads, presenting obvious one-on-one throws in other parts of the field. Underneath, Prescott had the ultimate security blanket in tight end Jason Witten, and a mismatch-maker in shifty slot ace Cole Beasley. On top of it all, Prescott was new, so defenses had little film on him. The young QB capitalized on these conditions, posting a 104.9 passer rating and guiding the Cowboys to a 13-3 season.

To outside observers, America’s Team had its franchise QB. But within the NFL, some of the old guard cautioned to pump the brakes. History suggested—nay, guaranteed—that those perfect conditions would not last. Prescott should only be evaluated once his circumstances normalized.

Sure enough, they have. This season, that offensive line has been less imposing without superstar center Travis Frederick, who is out indefinitely while he recovers from Guillain-Barre Syndrome, a disorder that affects the nervous system. Without Frederick, Ezekiel Elliott and the ground game has been, at least by 2016 standards, spotty. Defenses figured out last year that Bryant was washed up; they stopped rolling coverage his way, and so this offseason the Cowboys stopped employing him. He’s now out of football. So is Jason Witten, who retired to fill Jon Gruden’s vacant MNF seat. Beasley is still around, but as anyone with even a smidgen of football acumen suspected, he’s more dynamic as a third or fourth option.

These aren’t dire straits Dallas is in, they’re regular NFL “straits,” which is why the Cowboys’ record since 2016—10-8, including their 1-1 start this year—is almost perfectly average. Quarterbacks get paid to spin gold from “perfectly average.” Head coach Jason Garrett and offensive coordinator Scott Linehan must figure out how to help Prescott do that.
 
Denim Chicken said:
Man, can we cool it with the new Dak threads?
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It does get distracting.

I mean..

I have seen every QB this team has had from Jerry Rhome to DAK..

Don Meredith took 2-3 years before he clicked.

Aikman to 2-3 yeas once he beat out Steve Walsh.

Romo took 5-6 years and rode the pine for 4 years.

Staubach had to attend 4 years of TCs out of the Navy to get his shot.

None had DAKs rookie season.

And to keep comparing him to Hall of Fame players and legends is nuts.

It shows how many just care about the results and not the journey.

And they all have to take the journey.

So I want to win and I hope its with DAK.

But if not..well then..

next man up.

But I would like to see the fans just get behind him and stop the henpecking.

in the toughest sport there is..

DAK is going to do his best..

and that maybe enough.
 
Plankton said:
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/09/19/d...vers-running-game-jason-garrett-scott-linehan

In 2016, Dak Prescott played under better conditions than any rookie QB in history, if not any QB period. His offensive line was a step beyond dominant, giving the Cowboys a commanding running game and its quarterback routinely clean pockets from which to throw. Defenses were still treating Dez Bryant like a No. 1 receiver, rolling safety help his way. That clarified Prescott's reads, presenting obvious one-on-one throws in other parts of the field. Underneath, Prescott had the ultimate security blanket in tight end Jason Witten, and a mismatch-maker in shifty slot ace Cole Beasley. On top of it all, Prescott was new, so defenses had little film on him. The young QB capitalized on these conditions, posting a 104.9 passer rating and guiding the Cowboys to a 13-3 season.

To outside observers, America’s Team had its franchise QB. But within the NFL, some of the old guard cautioned to pump the brakes. History suggested—nay, guaranteed—that those perfect conditions would not last. Prescott should only be evaluated once his circumstances normalized.

Sure enough, they have. This season, that offensive line has been less imposing without superstar center Travis Frederick, who is out indefinitely while he recovers from Guillain-Barre Syndrome, a disorder that affects the nervous system. Without Frederick, Ezekiel Elliott and the ground game has been, at least by 2016 standards, spotty. Defenses figured out last year that Bryant was washed up; they stopped rolling coverage his way, and so this offseason the Cowboys stopped employing him. He’s now out of football. So is Jason Witten, who retired to fill Jon Gruden’s vacant MNF seat. Beasley is still around, but as anyone with even a smidgen of football acumen suspected, he’s more dynamic as a third or fourth option.

These aren’t dire straits Dallas is in, they’re regular NFL “straits,” which is why the Cowboys’ record since 2016—10-8, including their 1-1 start this year—is almost perfectly average. Quarterbacks get paid to spin gold from “perfectly average.” Head coach Jason Garrett and offensive coordinator Scott Linehan must figure out how to help Prescott do that.
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Oh look. A Dak thread. Never seen one of those before. What a unique collectors item.
 
Roadtrip635 said:
Hmmmm, suggesting that having a #1WR and a dependable TE might be valuable is quite the epiphany. who woulda thunk it. I wonder if other teams have thought of this concept before.
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We haven't had either one for three, going on four years. Why would we need one now!

Dez still hasn't found work! Lol. The silence from the Dez Fan Bois is deafening! Lol
 
Verdict said:
We haven't had either one for three, going on four years. Why would we need one now!

Dez still hasn't found work! Lol. The silence from the Dez Fan Bois is deafening! Lol
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What is everyone's obsession with Dez? Does not having Dez perform like a #1WR for the last couple seasons mean we should never try to find another #1WR again? Like the article implies, while Dez didn't perform like a #1, teams still treated him as one which actually helps this or any offense really. Dez is gone man, let the hate go already.
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
I do...I like athletic QBS. but more importantly I like accurate QBs that can effectively throw from the pocket. if they can't, all the athleticism in the world, ain't going to make the team better. Romo was athletic but he was very accurate and good pocket passewr first...his scrambling ability just allowed him to make plays out of broken plays....that's gravy. if the only time you can make plays is running and scrambling but you can't do the rest...you are not a good QB
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Aha!!!! How many championships did we win with Romo? Apparently the types of quarterbacks you prefer don’t guarantee championships either. It takes a team to win consistently. Sometimes all it takes from a quarterback is to limit mistakes and turnovers. Dak does that very well. His predecessor? Not so much.
 
cwbyfn88 said:
That last part is true. I disagree with the first part but that's just my own personal opinion not saying you are wrong.
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Fair enough. I had such high hopes for Dak and am not completely out on him, but if he could have played better in Linehan's scheme against the Panthers I would have felt better with the thought of him being the franchise QB. Now, I'm not so sure it will happen. That scheme featured a lot of Pocket concepts with some options built in. What Dak ran against the Giants was almost Miss St. stuff. It's what he's comfortable with, and he can have some success with it, but it isn't turning him into an NFL QB either.
 
Redball Express said:
It does get distracting.

I mean..

I have seen every QB this team has had from Jerry Rhome to DAK..

Don Meredith took 2-3 years before he clicked.

Aikman to 2-3 yeas once he beat out Steve Walsh.

Romo took 5-6 years and rode the pine for 4 years.

Staubach had to attend 4 years of TCs out of the Navy to get his shot.

None had DAKs rookie season.

And to keep comparing him to Hall of Fame players and legends is nuts.

It shows how many just care about the results and not the journey.

And they all have to take the journey.

So I want to win and I hope its with DAK.

But if not..well then..

next man up.

But I would like to see the fans just get behind him and stop the henpecking.

in the toughest sport there is..

DAK is going to do his best..

and that maybe enough.
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:hammer:EXCELLENT POST
 
Cap12 said:
Fair enough. I had such high hopes for Dak and am not completely out on him, but if he could have played better in Linehan's scheme against the Panthers I would have felt better with the thought of him being the franchise QB. Now, I'm not so sure it will happen. That scheme featured a lot of Pocket concepts with some options built in. What Dak ran against the Giants was almost Miss St. stuff. It's what he's comfortable with, and he can have some success with it, but it isn't turning him into an NFL QB either.
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Thats true. College seldom translates to the nfl. And I saw exactly what you saw in both games. Dak comes alive when he is able to run what he is more comfortable with. Leinehans system is more built around pocket passers.
 
keysersoze said:
Aha!!!! How many championships did we win with Romo? Apparently the types of quarterbacks you prefer don’t guarantee championships either. It takes a team to win consistently. Sometimes all it takes from a quarterback is to limit mistakes and turnovers. Dak does that very well. His predecessor? Not so much.
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I can say the same thing for a long list of QBs in HOF who don't have a ring....an accurate QB gives you a chance...one who is not accurate gives you zero chance...all you have to do is look at all the QBs who played in the superbowl....

so if you want to believe Dak can get us there.... that's your choice...but be prepared for disappointment.... blame the coaches....then next set of coaches come and blame them and then blame original coaches for ruining Dak....as if he was once in a lifetime talent....

I take his predecessor over Dak 11 times out of 10
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
I can say the same thing for a long list of QBs in HOF who don't have a ring....an accurate QB gives you a chance...one who is not accurate gives you zero chance...all you have to do is look at all the QBs who played in the superbowl....

so if you want to believe Dak can get us there.... that's your choice...but be prepared for disappointment.... blame the coaches....then next set of coaches come and blame them and then blame original coaches for ruining Dak....as if he was once in a lifetime talent....

I take his predecessor over Dak 11 times out of 10
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No argument there, but while Dak's development has been disappointing, I'll give him a chance to improve. It would be the best possible outcome for us.
 
Cap12 said:
Brady never had the overall talent that Aikman had when they were playing meaningful games. Brady also managed to play at a sustained level of excellence far longer than Troy. I loved Troy Aikman and he was a big part of what we did here in the 90s, but let's not mistake the fact that it was Emmitt that was the engine that drove this team, not Troy. I also did not say that Troy was a bus driver. I said it was arguable that he was and it is a valid opinion.
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sure thing.... Aikman a HOF QB....was not really that good. it was all emmitt. OK, Aikman was a bus driver...go ahead and believe that...I tend to take Jimmy Johnson's words over an internet troll.... but I am sure you think Johnson was just an average coach....you are entitled to your opinion...even if you are a very small minority that thinks that way...you and Commanders fans.
 
keysersoze said:
The irony in this is... We didn’t win consistently with Romo either. But he was allotted 10 years of excuses.
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he never had a defense like this and a running game like this or an OL like this, except for 2014 and we saw what he did....

so now, this gives you 10 years opportunity to come up with excuses for Dak...
 
Roadtrip635 said:
Hmmmm, suggesting that having a #1WR and a dependable TE might be valuable is quite the epiphany. who woulda thunk it. I wonder if other teams have thought of this concept before.
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And I wonder how many teams have a 3 headed monster team with Pro Bowl WR, QB and RB..?

Hmmm..

waiting for the answer..

nobody ?

Sort of tough to do that.
 
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