Dak you ain't getting Mahomes money

Philmonroe said:
No I said I answered as in I replied back to your post. I didn't answer your specific question because I don't care about it but I understand old man it gets harder for you boomer to understand these things. I'm not fighting anything. I've said what I said and you're not changing my mind. Only Alex Smith Jr can do that by being a better QB.

Your confusing yourself boomer. My point is pretty simple draft a first rd QB the staff thinks can be the next big thing and go from there. I don't know how you came to this conclusion I don't care about I proving the team when I've said what they should do many times. I guess because as you get older you take less chances because you're scared of the outcome but I'm not at that stage of life yet. They pick wrong so be it not like we are getting rid of a consistent SB caliber QB. I never said get some 35yr old QB but what if you don't draft the next Locker or. Gabbert? See that's the thinking of a man that don't take chances and it most likely reflects in your overall life too.
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You are burying your head in the sand. The odds of improving our QB situation with a QB drafted with the 17th pick is slim, and the odds are actually much better that it would set the organization back.

No, you didn't specifically say get a 35 year old or the next Locker or Gabbert, but that's really what your plan is setting the team up for - either filling in a few years with a fading veteran or taking a shot on a draft pick that is unlikely to result in as good a player as we have, and more likely to result in a weaker player.

You can't simply make decisions without considering those things. It seems some fans think it is easy to just commit to finding an elite QB, but if that's the case why is only 1 of the 5/6 QBs currently considered among the "elite" a player drafted within the last 8-9 years, and why are 3 of the 5/6 elites from draft classes 15-20 years ago?

I would love to have someone like Rodgers in his prime, or a Mahomes like young talent, but people have to face the reality that players like that aren't just available whenever a team chooses to get one.
 
starfan1 said:
yep and that missed holding call was huge on his critical scamper in the 4th Im glad the chiefs won but some of these folks in this thread discredit themselves when they place it all on Mahomes. Dude has the best offensive talent around him in the league and they made a significant investment on the defensive side of the ball and it showed when needed in the post season
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BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mahomes has consistently had to play from behind this playoffs, down 24 after 1 and leads by halftime, down 17 comes back and wons, this game down 21-10 with 6mins left nd flips the score 21 points..thats an MVP Ellite QB..sure he doesnt do it alone but its his talent that give him an inane ability to get away from the rush and throw from 10 different arm angles and run or get the ball to the correct player to make the best plays to comeback..

thats the difference invested in defense that put you down in all 3 playoff games? sure lol both those defenses were inconsistent last noight and gave up leads , it was Mahomes that stepped up and got it done even after having a subpar game..

its what true elite layers do, they will their teams to wins.. Mahomes with our offense could do the exact same things in different ways with a healthy Amari, gallup, Cobb, pollard and Zeke with that oline.. our D does this same stuff to us, some games they show up sometimes they dont, Dak couldn't overcome it, Mahomes does , he has so many times now, you see his greatness..

its what JimmyG couldn't do like Dak they truly need the talent to overcome them not the other way around..
 
erod said:
I'm talking about highest paid QB in the league money. It's that or nothing with that agency.
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It is obvious what you were talking about. I would think Prescott hopes the agency he hired will net him the best contract possible, whether that is highest paid or not.
 
OmerV said:
You are burying your head in the sand. The odds of improving our QB situation with a QB drafted with the 17th pick is slim, and the odds are actually much better that it would set the organization back.

No, you didn't specifically say get a 35 year old or the next Locker or Gabbert, but that's really what your plan is setting the team up for - either filling in a few years with a fading veteran or taking a shot on a draft pick that is unlikely to result in as good a player as we have, and more likely to result in a weaker player.

You can't simply make decisions without considering those things. It seems some fans think it is easy to just commit to finding an elite QB, but if that's the case why is only 1 of the 5/6 QBs currently considered among the "elite" a player drafted within the last 8-9 years, and why are 3 of the 5/6 elites from draft classes 15-20 years ago?

I would love to have someone like Rodgers in his prime, or a Mahomes like young talent, but people have to face the reality that players like that aren't just available whenever a team chooses to get one.
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We will miss out on another Jaylon/Taco, oh no? lol Take the QB, move up if needed. How would it hurt this situation at all? Tua/Herbert/Fromm brings Dak back to earth or we have a real QB, win win.
 
blueblood70 said:
BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mahomes has consistently had to play from behind this playoffs, down 24 after 1 and leads by halftime, down 17 comes back and wons, this game down 21-10 with 6mins left nd flips the score 21 points..thats an MVP Ellite QB..sure he doesnt do it alone but its his talent that give him an inane ability to get away from the rush and throw from 10 different arm angles and run or get the ball to the correct player to make the best plays to comeback..

thats the difference invested in defense that put you down in all 3 playoff games? sure lol both those defenses were inconsistent last noight and gave up leads , it was Mahomes that stepped up and got it done even after having a subpar game..

its what true elite layers do, they will their teams to wins.. Mahomes with our offense could do the exact same things in different ways with a healthy Amari, gallup, Cobb, pollard and Zeke with that oline.. our D does this same stuff to us, some games they show up sometimes they dont, Dak couldn't overcome it, Mahomes does , he has so many times now, you see his greatness..

its what JimmyG couldn't do like Dak they truly need the talent to overcome them not the other way around..
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I dont buy this narrative. This was discussed on another thread. Most of the 1st rounders in recent years are now starters - including all the other QBs in our division. Strike rate is high.

Not forgetting that most of the elite QBs are ex-1st rounders.

If you go through all 32 teams in the NFL, the vast majority are settled at the QB position. To me this says that most have no problems finding a starting quality QB. Some teams even have 2 x QBs who could start.
 
Who wouod pay Dak Mahomes money?

mahomes might be getting 200 million.....I love Dak but hes not getting that
 
Qcard said:
Mahomes is $42M-$45M per....

Settling would be low end $31M-$34M :lmao2:

Dak won no matter which team won... Mahomes pushes the tag and Garapolo proves QB market value works...
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I’m betting Mahommes is closer to 50 and all real money
Many contracts have fluff that’s never gonna get paid but this one will all get paid
 
blueblood70 said:
BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mahomes has consistently had to play from behind this playoffs, down 24 after 1 and leads by halftime, down 17 comes back and wons, this game down 21-10 with 6mins left nd flips the score 21 points..thats an MVP Ellite QB..sure he doesnt do it alone but its his talent that give him an inane ability to get away from the rush and throw from 10 different arm angles and run or get the ball to the correct player to make the best plays to comeback..

thats the difference invested in defense that put you down in all 3 playoff games? sure lol both those defenses were inconsistent last noight and gave up leads , it was Mahomes that stepped up and got it done even after having a subpar game..

its what true elite layers do, they will their teams to wins.. Mahomes with our offense could do the exact same things in different ways with a healthy Amari, gallup, Cobb, pollard and Zeke with that oline.. our D does this same stuff to us, some games they show up sometimes they dont, Dak couldn't overcome it, Mahomes does , he has so many times now, you see his greatness..

its what JimmyG couldn't do like Dak they truly need the talent to overcome them not the other way around..
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Jesus did you forget your meds. reading comprehension works. I never said Mahomes hasnt established himself as elite but the difference between last year and this year is the defense. And dont act like their defense gave up all those points in the Houston game the chiefs special teams were terrible. a blocked punt and a fumbled one led to easy scores that wasn't the defense fault. Houston had a good first drive though.

against the titians the defense held henry to 60 yards and forced Tannehill to beat them and he didnt have enough weapons. And the story would have had a different ending yesterday had that blatant hold been called on his crucial scramble but he he does state farm commercials so he should get the same benefit aaron does.Their coaching staff did an excellent job but yes Mahomes is skilled. Ill spell it a little bit more for you
Reid> Garrett
Bienemy> Moore
Spagnola> Marinelli
Mahomes>> Dak
Cheifs WR corp to include TE> Dallas group
Damien Williams in that offense = Zeke in that offense

Your lusting to have anybody but Dak is just hilarious. perhaps mahomes could do wonders with our group but with garrett here mahomes would have never seen the field or even drafted because the cowboys were awestruck with another QB but even if he was theres no guarantee garrett could have turned him into what he is today.. Hes talented and if i could trade him for Dak i would in a second but he isnt available and isnt one of our options Dak is and hes the primary one.

I would recommend if you have such an extreme woody for Mahomes and and extreme dislike for dak you go follow the chiefs and save yourself some future headaches.
 
AmariChill said:
Laughing at all these folks saying Dak should be paid more than Goff and Wentz. Both QB’s have been/lead their team to the SB (yes, I know Wentz was hurt, however, he led his team to the playoffs at the very least and set them up for a SB run). Dak hasn’t even touched the SB or NFC Championship. He shouldn’t be paid more than either. He should be paid as much as them, or less until he proves more. Wentz outplayed him this year. Sure his stats aren’t as good, but he played well enough with the terrible pieces he had around him. Dak struggled with good pieces around him. I’ll give him the fact that he played well the beginning of the season, but right around the Pats game, he fell of a cliff. HARD. Inconsistency and Inaccuracy hardly count for a high pay day IMO. Since rumors are spiraling of him holding out, they need to draft a QB. I wouldn’t want a keep a QB that dares to hold out anyways. It’s a privilege to have the talent to play in the NFL. Take the chance or leave it.
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Wentz sucks. He did have a nice run at the end tho with replacement players, and that was impressive, but I give far more credit to Pederson than him. Especially after he looked like he didn’t belong in the league the first 3/4’s of the season. He didn’t remotely outplay Dak tho in any sense, under any criteria, and doesn’t deserve even a modicum of credit for their sb run
 
blueblood70 said:
BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mahomes has consistently had to play from behind this playoffs, down 24 after 1 and leads by halftime, down 17 comes back and wons, this game down 21-10 with 6mins left nd flips the score 21 points..thats an MVP Ellite QB..sure he doesnt do it alone but its his talent that give him an inane ability to get away from the rush and throw from 10 different arm angles and run or get the ball to the correct player to make the best plays to comeback..

thats the difference invested in defense that put you down in all 3 playoff games? sure lol both those defenses were inconsistent last noight and gave up leads , it was Mahomes that stepped up and got it done even after having a subpar game..

its what true elite layers do, they will their teams to wins.. Mahomes with our offense could do the exact same things in different ways with a healthy Amari, gallup, Cobb, pollard and Zeke with that oline.. our D does this same stuff to us, some games they show up sometimes they dont, Dak couldn't overcome it, Mahomes does , he has so many times now, you see his greatness..

its what JimmyG couldn't do like Dak they truly need the talent to overcome them not the other way around..
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Hard to appreciate this post until you look at Dak's 4th quarter comebacks.
He has 8 regular season, 5 in 2016, 0 in 2017, 3 in 2018, and 0 in 2019.
He also has 1 in postseason.

Throwing out the "perfect storm 2016 season" that leaves 3 in 3 years. Biggest margin is 7 from behind.
Those comebacks came against Detroit, Atlanta, and the Giants. None against winning teams.

Detroit was decided by a field goal as time expired.
Atlanta was decided by a field goal after Matt Ryan threw a 34 yard TD to Julio Jones to tie the game with 1:52 left.
Dak threw a 32 yard TD to Beasely and a two point conversion to Gallop to defeat the 5-11 Giants.

If he has a shining moment it would appear the Seattle post season game in 2018 is it.
Albeit, it wasn't his arm, the brought the win, rather he and Zeke both ran in 1 yard TDs to bring the score from Seattle 14-10 to Dallas 24-14 before Russell Wilson threw a 7 yarder to close the gap with Dallas winning 24-22.

I think the next question is: How many times did we go into the fourth trailing by 7 or less and lose, ala, New England this year?
In 2019, there were 5/6 winnable games: NO 12-10, Jets 24-22, Minn 28-24, NE 13-9, CHI 31-24, PHI (by 8) 17-9.......gotta win those games if you want to be elite.
 
BigStar said:
We will miss out on another Jaylon/Taco, oh no? lol Take the QB, move up if needed. How would it hurt this situation at all? Tua/Herbert/Fromm brings Dak back to earth or we have a real QB, win win.
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Or we might miss out on another Zach Martin or Travis Frederick. There is a higher chance of filling in with a top player with the 17th pick at positions other than QB. There are also better odds of filling in with a solid starter in free agency at positions other than QB. QB is also kind of stand alone in the sense that linemen have players on either side that can help cover deficiencies. There is only one QB, and he handles the ball every offensive play.

By the way, Jaylon was a second round pick, and has become a pretty good player.

As for Tua/Herbert/Fromm … it appears you are talking about having them in addition to Dak rather than as a replacement for Dak, and if that is what you are saying, I would love to have one of those guys as depth, and then see if he can develop, but that's using a lot of draft capital on a guy that will probably be a backup, especially if we have to trade up, and especially while also paying Dak a a sizable amount of money. Tua is really the only one of the 3 that I think has a strong chance to be better than Dak, and he is likely to go in the top 10.
 
JayFord said:
Who wouod pay Dak Mahomes money?

mahomes might be getting 200 million.....I love Dak but hes not getting that
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I don't think anyone but the OP is really talking about Dak getting what Mahomes will get. It's really a non-issue.
 
Dak isn’t Mahomes. Dak also isn’t Garoppolo. Garoppolo seemed to freeze up a bit in the tense moments of late game. I’m not sure Dak would have.
 
CATCH17 said:
Yeah I’m not basing how good a player is off 1 game.

Mahomes is probably the best QB talent in NFL history.
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In my opinion that’s a ridiculous statement my cowboy brother. Yesterday proved it to me for sure. Just one Hail Mary.
 
Jstopper said:
Didnt know about Elway but I always remembered watching Ben perform worse than any qb I ever saw in the Super Bowl lol
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Did you watch Trent Dilfer. I’ve seen some nasty quarterback play in the Super Bowl’s. Mahomes was the worst yesterday in my opinion. He threw up a Hail Mary to get back in the game. That receiver should get the award
 
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