Dallas Cowboys’ Kelvin Joseph is a person of interest in Dallas murder investigation

[Reid1boys]

"in the vehicle", the dumb idiot was probably the owner of the vehicle.

I like what herm edwards always refers back to. "Nothing good happens after midnight."

 

[Captain-Crash]

I agree. how would he know anyone was shot when one of your "posse" was hanging out the passenger side window shooting over the roof at some guys you just had a fight with.
it's not like he can watch tv or hear sounds on the radio.

post #1483 has a pretty clear video of it.

 

[Reid1boys]

That's just semantics. They mean the same thing in this case.

For his nfl status, maybe. But not his legal status.

 

[tyke1doe]

You might be right...but if not...ill take the bait.

Can you identify by describing their clothes...which guy you are saying is KJ in the video? Describe the guy he is getting beat up by

The reason why KJ is in hot water is because he had a big-A chain (YKDV) on with his street-cred/rapper name on it. And the guy who has the chain on - which everybody knows belongs to KJ - was the one in the fight.

Had he not STUPIDLY worn his necklace (his identifying marker), it's likely we wouldn't know he was involved in this situation.

That's why his lawyer acknowledged he was in the SUV from which shots were fired.

 

[Dre11]

Oh his rap career for sure. Can't be a snitch in rap lol.

50 cents says hello, snitched on Ja Rule and got a restraining order against him.

 

[tyke1doe]

I agree. how would he know anyone was shot when one of your "posse" was hanging out the passenger side window shooting over the roof at some guys you just had a fight with.
it's not like he can watch tv or hear sounds on the radio.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The reason why KJ is in hot water is because he had a big-A chain (YKDV) on with his street-cred/rapper name on it. And the guy who has the chain on - which everybody knows belongs to KJ - was the one in the fight.

Had he not STUPIDLY worn his necklace (his identifying marker), it's likely we wouldn't know he was involved in this situation.

That's why his lawyer acknowledged he was in the SUV from which shots were fired.

I think the chain confirmed it was him but his face was all on camera. It looked EXACTLY like him.

 

[baltcowboy]

First, I'm not reaching. I've seen it happen OFTEN.

Second, I'm talking about a CIVIL case. A criminal case is different than a civil case. The burden of proof is lesser for the latter.

So, even if Joseph didn't fire the shot and that may exonerate him from a murder charge, by being in the car, he could be considered culpable in a civil suit, ESPECIALLY if he's on video fighting with someone in the rival group.

In fact, I'm going to predict with 95 percent certainty that Cameron Ray's family will file a civil suit against Kelvin Joseph, regardless whether KJ is brought up on criminal charges.

Do you think I'll be proved wrong?

I don’t know. You could be right. It does not take much to sue anyone. Winning in court is the problem. This is not OJ situation were he is the only one that really had reason to kill Nicole. We have to see what Joseph is saying to the cops. If they due take him to civil court it will be years down the line. By then Bossman will probably be out the league. The family wants justice first.

 

[tyke1doe]

I think the chain confirmed it was him but his face was all on camera. It looked EXACTLY like him.

That too.

 

[Reid1boys]

Ya cool. I’m an attorney. My main point is he has horrible friends and judgement. The main thing here is he obviously knew there was a fight and then saw his friends shoot out of the car. That’s indisputable. Guys an idiot overall

Now on this i agree 100%. But I was talking from a legal stand point .

What just sucks, is the team seemed to be thinking this guy could step up and be an impact player this year. That is now very much in doubt. There are a lot of young nfl players just like this. Young, cocksure of themselves, lots of time in their hands, and no shortage of cash on hand to go along with their horrible decision making. It all makes for a toxic combination for many young players.

 

[FanofJerry]

The reason why KJ is in hot water is because he had a big-A chain (YKDV) on with his street-cred/rapper name on it. And the guy who has the chain on - which everybody knows belongs to KJ - was the one in the fight.

Had he not STUPIDLY worn his necklace (his identifying marker), it's likely we wouldn't know he was involved in this situation.

That's why his lawyer acknowledged he was in the SUV from which shots were fired.

I guess the guy with the chain involved himself in the fight...but he didnt start it.

You bots have to always leave out important pieces of information. He wasnt the main instigator of the fight. Might even be able to say he was protecting his boy even if his boy started it.

I assume we are talking about the guy throwing punches like a drunkard that was wearing a chain and a shirt with similar logo on front...but that guy didnt start the fight

 

[Reid1boys]

I agree. how would he know anyone was shot when one of your "posse" was hanging out the passenger side window shooting over the roof at some guys you just had a fight with.
it's not like he can watch tv or hear sounds on the radio.

post #1483 has a pretty clear video of it.

I live near a town that has a huge Rodeo every year. Someone just went missing at the Rodeo. My wife was asking me if I heard about it. She says, just 20 minutes ago, its been all over social media and the news, and you haven't heard about it?

Nope, had no clue anyone went missing. Dont read or watch local news, and apparently not seeing the same things she does in social media. Easy to not read or here about a shooting.

 

[Captain-Crash]

I live near a town that has a huge Rodeo every year. Someone just went missing at the Rodeo. My wife was asking me if I heard about it. She says, just 20 minutes ago, its been all over social media and the news, and you haven't heard about it?

Nope, had no clue anyone went missing. Dont read or watch local news, and apparently not seeing the same things she does in social media. Easy to not read or here about a shooting.

well, but you weren't involved with the girl missing so you would have no reason to be watching tv or listening to the radio

don't you think you would be listening to the radio or news if you were in a car and people inside were shooting at some kids on a previous evening?

 

[TequilaCowboy]

I don't know, but if the only motive found is revenge for Joseph, it does not look good for him. If the others had no beef with the victim, and Joseph was in the vehicle when shots were fired....it is pretty hard to say he is not involved and totally innocent. At best it would be accessory to murder, no matter how ignorant he claims to be of the situation. I'm looking at it from a jury's point of view. And for sure, there is a civil lawsuit forthcoming against him with the deeper pockets. It just does not look good at all for him.

 

[baltcowboy]

Two arrests were made. Joseph was not one of them. He seems to have made a deal. Let’s see what these guys have to say. Being a Cowboy and having money has its benefits.

 

[speedkilz88]

There have been guys who did worse and stayed in the league. I doubt it costs him his career, unless he's proven to be more involved than the "innocent passenger" he will claim to be.

Wasn't it the Rams DE that had multiple DWIs and then killed a person and continued his career? Ray Lewis was another one who was involved in something terrible. Those are just off the top of my head. Hell Josh Brown (Giants kicker) beat his wife on the regular and got one whole game. KJ being a Cowboy will probably work against him though.

Also Deandre Baker & Quinton Dunbar after that robbery or whatever it was.

 

[tyke1doe]

I don’t know. You could be right. It does not take much to sue anyone. Winning in court is the problem. This is not OJ situation were he is the only one that really had reason to kill Nicole. We have to see what Joseph is saying to the cops. If they due take him to civil court it will be years down the line. By then Bossman will probably be out the league. The family wants justice first.

I don't think it will take years for a civil suit. The family already has ...

1. Video evidence which includes a man wearing a YKDV chain and one who looks like KJ being involved in a fight.
2. An admission by KJ's lawyer that he was in the car from which shots came.
3. A dead loved one.

Second, justice doesn't preclude recompense. Families will often file a civil suit along side a criminal case. Ronald Goldman's family did so and would have done so had OJ been convicted the first time.

Third, assuming KJ is charged with a felony, this case will proceed pretty quickly. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on whose side you're on), state prosecutors like to build their reputation off high-profile cases. Few pay attention when Ray Ray has to go to trial for killing Junie Bug in a fight. But a member of the DALLAS COWBOYS ??? They'll likely push this case through the dockets faster.

Fourth, the family wants to get to KJ while his earning potential is at its peak. Of course, if he's charged criminally, I expect the Cowboys to cut him similar to what the Raiders did to Henry Ruggs.That may diminish some of the luster on this case, still, because KJ is connected to the Cowboys, it will get some play in the local and national (ESPN) media.

 

[Captain-Crash]

don't be surprised if the two arrested "gangsters" don't turn on kelvin to make a deal of their own.

 

[speedkilz88]

I cant tell if youre stirring the pot or if the butt whooping happened.

You make it sound as if you know for a fact he got whooped by Ray.

I have only heard that the original confrontation was between Bossman and Ray. I just assume it was verbal.

He's a troll.

 

[FanofJerry]

He's a troll.

Im aware.