Dallas has no weapons - Baldinger

[CTcowboy203]

Mannix said all this in late August...Dak makes NOBODY better, so I'm not sure what Booger and Chuckles were thinking.

Third person?……oooooffffff

 

[btcutter]

Guys were open. Dak chose to laser focus on Schultz and CD no matter the coverage. Yeah, he needs more talent and weapons around him to ignore.

You mean Dak doesn't not read coverages well. Hilton was wide open on the side of the blitz and he completely missed it.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Yet another 12-year old emoji fan.

You know more than Baldinger...

 

[KJJ]

We all saw how much better Dak got when we traded for Amari Cooper in 2018. As soon as we moved on from Cooper, Dak’s game regressed. We need to do a lot more this offseason to help him.

 

[XXLMike]

Saying he’s not chase or Jefferson isn’t a knock on lamb….lol.

In a way it is because he’s just not good enough to take us to the next level like Michael Irvin didn’t like Jerry Rice did

 

[America's Cowboy]

....sort of like someone else whose on the field production does not = his contract....but alas we are stuck with the POS QB.

POS? Where is your etiquette and manners? You are not setting a good example here.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Dallas needs to figure something out at WR

Is Lamb good? Heck yes.
Is Lamb a legit #1? ...maybe?

The WR FA market is thin in 2023. There are no legit #1s available...mostly #2s.

The Dallas offense may need to find an OC that can work with what's there and create a game plan to take advantage of a bunch of #2s plus a above-average TE.

It's not Kellen Moore. Moore is too much in the old/traditional mindset that Dallas just doesn't have the players to succeed with

 

[Ken]

Small nit, he didn't have an escalator. His base became just guaranteed on March 20, 2022. It had little effect on trading him because 1) any team acquiring him wasn't going to cut him in less than a year anyway and 2) it just meant that Dallas wouldn't cut him.

Dallas misplayed their hand on Cooper. No, he wasn't worth some windfall like some thing but a 5th round pick was sad return.

Thanks for the correction, I was going off memory. The guaranteed salary was huge. IF it guaranteed, they couldn't trade him because the cap hit would have been significantly more than the 6 mill we had last year in dead cap.

We would have been screwed cap wise.

They knew it and the rest of the league knew it. So we would have HAD to cut him to avoid that. They did us a favor to throw us a 5 and 6 swap.

 

[LucaBrasi]

I like baldy. His point on Lamb not being Chase, Jefferson, Brown is probably right but Lamb is damn good.

Losing Quinn is going to hurt, no talent outside Parsons? Baldy loves Tank and Dono Wilson though, so I don’t know. Diggs is wildly talented but won’t tackle.

You look at the teams left, each has 3-4 premium skill players to assist the Qb, outside maybe KC, but you could certainly say Hardman and JuJu compliment the great Kelce quite well.

 

[Sydla]

Thanks for the correction, I was going off memory. The guaranteed salary was huge. IF it guaranteed, they couldn't trade him because the cap hit would have been significantly more than the 6 mill we had last year in dead cap.

We would have been screwed cap wise.

They knew it and the rest of the league knew it. So we would have HAD to cut him to avoid that. They did us a favor to throw us a 5 and 6 swap.

That's not accurate. A guaranteed base salary just gets transferred to the team who would pay his salary in 2023. The only "guaranteed" money that sticks with the team is that money that has already been paid out in cash - like signing bonuses or converted base salaries to bonuses. A team acquiring a player with a guaranteed base salary has to take on that guarantee and cap hit.

Think of it this way. Cap hits are essentially cash already paid and to be paid in that year. If a team has already paid it, they can't transfer ithe cap hit to another team. Cash to be paid in the future (and the corresponding cap hits) are always the responsibility of the team whose roster the player is on (guaranteed or not).

 

[Ken]

....sort of like someone else whose on the field production does not = his contract....but alas we are stuck with the POS QB.

Except you would be wrong.

Dak's production is in line with where he is slotted in the rankings of QBs. Only your "POS" ability to evaluate the QB position prevents you from being able to understand that.

 

[McMicah]

Sigh* here we go. If you want tons of weapons, don’t pay a mediocre qb $40M. But don’t give me that. They did enough. It’s Dak. Every year we grasp for any problem but Dak. It’s been the head coach, then the Run D, then the O line, then WRs with bad attitudes, and now we will grasp at the OC and lack of weapons.

Here’s a question for y’all: If Dak played like Purdy, would we have lost that game? The answer to that question should tell you everything you need to know.

 

[Sydla]

Except you would be wrong.

Dak's production is in line with where he is slotted in the rankings of QBs. Only your "POS" ability to evaluate the QB position prevents you from being able to understand that.

For data sake.

Dak was 15th in QB rating this regular season.

He was 12th in QBR.

He was 14th in completion percentage.

He was 10th in yards per game.

He was 13th in yards per attempt

He's 2nd in cap hit for 2023.

His cap hit was 8th for 2022 even after they moved a large sum to a bonus and shifted it into future years.

 

[Dale]

We have the ultimate weapon- Zeke

The rare running back/center hybrid. Equally equipped at both positions.

 

[Ken]

That's not accurate. A guaranteed base salary just gets transferred to the team who would pay his salary in 2023. The only "guaranteed" money that sticks with the team is that money that has already been paid out in cash - like signing bonuses or converted base salaries to bonuses. A team acquiring a player with a guaranteed base salary has to take on that guarantee and cap hit.

Think of it this way. Cap hits are essentially cash already paid and to be paid in that year. If a team has already paid it, they can't transfer ithe cap hit to another team. Cash to be paid in the future (and the corresponding cap hits) are always the responsibility of the team whose roster the player is on (guaranteed or not).

This is news to me then. I have been trying to verify what you are saying here and the only thing I found was some dude on the internet saying this.

It doesn't make sense in this instance. Why was Dallas hell-bent to move him or cut him before the date then? Was the guarantee a conversion to a signing bonus? It saved them 16 million on the cap.

I know escalators and things written into the contract are taken on by the new team but I never heard this about a guarantee, which to me, is usually treated like a signing bonus.

Not saying you are wrong but this is not something I have ever heard before.

 

[shabazz]

welcome to paying a qb over 20% of the salary cap

u pay the qb to elevate the entire offense

it will get worse dak was half the cost this season

Great point….and meanwhile Joe Burrow beat the Bills in Buffalo, in the snow, without 3 of his starting lineman…….that’s what elite quartebacking will do.

 

[Swagger]

For data sake.

Dak was 15th in QB rating this regular season.

He was 12th in QBR.

He was 14th in completion percentage.

He was 10th in yards per game.

He was 13th in yards per attempt

He's 2nd in cap hit for 2023.

His cap hit was 8th for 2022 even after they moved a large sum to a bonus and shifted it into future years.

Middle of the pack Dak

 

[Swagger]

Except you would be wrong.

Dak's production is in line with where he is slotted in the rankings of QBs. Only your "POS" ability to evaluate the QB position prevents you from being able to understand that.

So $40 million a year gets you 2 boneheaded interceptions, a regulation pick 6 that was dropped, three failed throws on crucial big plays to wide open receivers (we only needed one executed throw) and only 3 points when special teams turned the ball over at the oppositions' 20 yard line. All with very acceptable o line play.

I guess $40 million doesn't go very far these days...

 

[Sydla]

This is news to me then. I have been trying to verify what you are saying here and the only thing I found was some dude on the internet saying this.

It doesn't make sense in this instance. Why was Dallas hell-bent to move him or cut him before the date then? Was the guarantee a conversion to a signing bonus? It saved them 16 million on the cap.

I know escalators and things written into the contract are taken on by the new team but I never heard this about a guarantee, which to me, is usually treated like a signing bonus.

Not saying you are wrong but this is not something I have ever heard before.

The answer you seek is Dallas just screwed the trade up.

Think of it this way. Why would a team who doesn't even have the player on the roster have to take a cap hit for money that has not yet been paid to a player? It makes no sense. All the guarantee does it dictate how the team who is paying that money handle it for cap purposes. If it's guaranteed and they cut a player, they still owe him the money AND have to take the cap hit for it.

The reason why they would have cut him before the guarantee went into effect is because if they cut him before that date, they wouldn't be responsible for it and wouldn't have to take the cap hit. A trade is different because in a trade, the base salary transfers to whatever team acquires him and that includes any guarantees with that base salary.

If Dallas had traded him to Cleveland after the salary became guaranteed, Dallas still clears the $20 million off their cap for the base salary and now Cleveland is on the hook for that salary (since they are the ones physically paying it to him). If Cleveland were to cut him in 2022, then they have to carry that base salary (or whatever was left in base salary if it was during the season) because they inherited the guarantee.

Again, the answer you seek is Dallas just got bent over in that trade.

 

[Ken]

For data sake.

Dak was 15th in QB rating this regular season.

He was 12th in QBR.

He was 14th in completion percentage.

He was 10th in yards per game.

He was 13th in yards per attempt

He's 2nd in cap hit for 2023.

His cap hit was 8th for 2022 even after they moved a large sum to a bonus and shifted it into future years.

Ya that washington game dropped him from

2nd in completion percentage
6th in QBR
2nd in TD%
top 10 in rating.

We can pretend he didn't lead the #1 offense and #1 3rd down offense and top 3 scoring offense when he played though.