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Go Heat because Dallas whooped my team in the first round 
Dallas vs. Miami... Who wins the NBA Finals? (Heat wins series 4-2)
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Yeah, someone at city hall leaked it. Someone just had to get their name in the paper. True, plans for a parade have to be made in advance, however, you don't allow that to go public. I blame the seahag, Laura Miller. I still blame her for the Arlington Cowboys.mickgreen58 said:True. But you gotta admit you are loving this
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Well I do admit to getting a giggle after reading the parade plans and the subsequent articles bashing them.mickgreen58 said:True. But you gotta admit you are loving this
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Talk about premature... You would think Dallas has never had a championship team, before.
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I for one loved that foul by Stack on Shaq. He made Shaq make the free throws. It did look like he was going after the ball, but he couldn't make it through a big guy like that. I really don't think he should get suspended. The two flagrant 2s I've seen these playoffs where someone got suspended (Posey's hit on Heinrich and Bell's hit on Kobe), there was no semblance of going for the ball. Stack's foul was no where near that severe. Shaq just takes a hard fall because he's so big. If Stack gets suspended the same amount as Bell or Posey, that would be ridiculous.
The Heat were getting cute on that play anyway. Jason Williams could have easily had an uncontested layup (or cunk if he could get up there). But he drops the pass off behind him to a slower Shaq for the big dunk. They deserved it. If you're going to get cute, and hand the ball to Shaq on a fast break, if anyone's close, you have to foul Shaq. Also remember Shaq put some stitches in Stack's nose in Game 1.
Though it's worrisome that the Mavs have let the Heat even up the series, the Spurs faced the same predicament last year. They won the first two games in SA handily, then got blown out the next two in Detroit. Then they won Game 5 and finished it up at home. Now it's the Mavs turn.
BTW. Dwyane Wade wasn't hurt. If he was hurt, I'm a Commanders fan. If he was hurt, it would have affected his jumper, and we all know his jumper was fine.
The Heat were getting cute on that play anyway. Jason Williams could have easily had an uncontested layup (or cunk if he could get up there). But he drops the pass off behind him to a slower Shaq for the big dunk. They deserved it. If you're going to get cute, and hand the ball to Shaq on a fast break, if anyone's close, you have to foul Shaq. Also remember Shaq put some stitches in Stack's nose in Game 1.
Though it's worrisome that the Mavs have let the Heat even up the series, the Spurs faced the same predicament last year. They won the first two games in SA handily, then got blown out the next two in Detroit. Then they won Game 5 and finished it up at home. Now it's the Mavs turn.
BTW. Dwyane Wade wasn't hurt. If he was hurt, I'm a Commanders fan. If he was hurt, it would have affected his jumper, and we all know his jumper was fine.
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I don't think he should be suspended, but then I wouldn't be surprised if he was, because the contact was excessive.peplaw06 said:
One thing I can speak on for sure, Stack was in no way going for the ball. There was too much body-to-body contact involved to suspect he was going for the ball. On that play, if he was going for the ball, he would've gotten Shaq from behind, because he would've tried to dislodge the ball on his way up. I say this because he would've taken the angle to try and get the ball and he still would've made body contact, but it would've been different. And it would've been a traditional hard foul. He got Shaq from the side, like somebody jacking somebody up on a ST play.
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Stack suspended for Game 5. Avery is on Galloway and Co. now and he is pissed.
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BlueStar22 said:
That sucks. I read that on Monday and thought it was pretty foolish and asking for trouble when I saw it.
What is so dumb about it is that everyone pretty much has a good idea where the parade is going to be at and not to wear heavy close and bring lots of water
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Yep, I heard the interview. Said the team thinks they are on vacation.
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Randy Galloway calling the Mavs GUTLESS PIGS all day today!! LOL!!!!!!!!!
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Sticking with Mavs in 6. This Stacjhouse suspension is the best thing that could happen to Dallas IMO. Now they have not only the desperation of needing a win, but a rallying cry to go with it.
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Tensions run high in Finals
Hard feelings and rough play are becoming more common.
By Carlos Frias
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Saturday, June 17, 2006
Nothing like a little bad blood to make things interesting.
The Miami Heat and Dallas Mavericks, teams that hardly knew each other nine days ago, already are sick of each other after four games of the NBA Finals.
It was only a matter of time.
"That's what a seven-game series will do," Mavericks guard Darrell Armstrong said after Game 4, a 98-74 Miami victory. "Guys get tired of seeing each other, touching each other, bumping and everything. It gets like that.
"Don't be surprised if it's a little more testy the next game . . . The further it goes, the more physical it's going to get."
Thursday's game was nasty enough to merit a one-game suspension for Dallas swingman Jerry Stackhouse, who was sanctioned by the league for taking down Shaquille O'Neal when the Heat center was driving to the basket.
Dallas coach Avery Johnson called the suspension "sickening."
With the NBA championship on the line, the hard fouls and tough talk might be just beginning.
Heat fans will recall many contentious playoff episodes with the New York Knicks. The most memorable was in 1988, when Miami's Alonzo Mourning got into a fist fight with Larry Johnson. The benches cleared and Knicks coach Jeff Van Gundy, trying to break up the brawl, clamped onto Mourning's leg. Zo wound up dragging Van Gundy around the court like a terrier.
Until Thursday's game, the Heat and Mavs had been generally respectful, praising each other's talents. Don't expect much more of that as the tension of the series builds.
"You get a little antsy. You want to get at each other," Heat forward Udonis Haslem said. "You want to skip the introductions, skip the days off, and you just want to get out there and get it over with."
The Detroit Pistons, champions in 1989 and 1990, showed their bitterness for an old rival when the Chicago Bulls swept them in the Eastern Conference Finals in 1991. The regulars left the bench with time remaining on the clock in the final defeat so they would not have to congratulate Chicago.
"When the series starts, everyone's got the warm and fuzzies," former Pistons coach Chuck Daly said Friday."But when the series is tied and hard fouls become really hard fouls, then you really start to see some emotion. And you really started to see some of that (Thursday) night."
One instance came late in the second quarter. As Dwyane Wade drove to the basket, Dallas forward Dirk Nowitzki swatted at him hard, sending Wade to the floor. A second later, O'Neal received a technical for arguing Wade's case with the officials.
One minute later, things came to a head.
Heat guard Jason Williams stole a pass and sent it ahead to O'Neal for a dunk, but Stackhouse leaped and pounded O'Neal with a forearm. Shaq hit the ground and wobbled as he got up. Wade immediately grabbed O'Neal, perhaps thinking he needed to restrain him from going after Stackhouse.
The Heat's Antoine Walker started jawing at Stackhouse, prompting Heat coach Pat Riley to leave the bench to intercede.
"I've been there too many times with those things," Riley said.
Stackhouse was assessed a flagrant foul, O'Neal hit both his free throws and Walker received a technical.
And the trash talk was on.
"Stack wasn't trying to hurt anybody," Armstrong said. "That's a hard foul on a big guy. . . . But you got heroes like Antoine Walker who come up and feel like they got to say something. For what? You ain't fought one time in this league. All of a sudden you're getting brave?
Armstrong then recalled a former NBA enforcer who played for the Knicks and Bulls, among other teams.
"If that would have been Charles Oakley, I would have looked at it a little different because Oak don't care. Oak would have fought you.
"I don't know what (Walker) said, but he's messing with the wrong cat — Stackhouse. He really is."
Walker further angered the Mavs when he attempted a pair of three-pointers with less than three minutes left in the game and the Heat up by 22.
"That'll rub you the wrong way," Armstrong said. "Let him do his little 'shimmy shake,' whatever. . . . They're at home and they got their little swagger. They're feeling confident and that's what you get sometimes."
Walker denied showing off.
"When Dirk hit the shot in Game 2 and went back making his faces, was that showing off?" Walker said. "This is basketball. We're playing the game with a lot of emotion. So, whatever motivating factor they need, let them use that."
O'Neal tried to steer clear of the banter, but couldn't help himself when he was asked what he thought of Stackhouse's hard foul.
"My impression was my daughters tackle me harder when I come home," O'Neal said after the game. "It actually felt pretty good to get hit like that. Thank you, Jerry. Appreciate it."
The incident brought back memories for former Knicks center Patrick Ewing, who was sitting courtside. Expect the toughest play at this time of the year, he said.
"That's what the NBA Finals is all about. No easy baskets," Ewing said. "Since Game 1, nobody wants to lose."
The emotions begin building in the first round, Daly said.
"I don't think you can go forward unless you get mad," he said. "It's a natural part of competitiveness."
The Mavs went so far as to say Thursday that Wade was putting on a show for the cameras when he limped to the lectern for interviews Wednesday, a day after O'Neal fell on Wade's left knee. He scored 36 points in Game 4.
"Man, that's for TV," Armstrong said of Wade's limp. "At this point in the season, you're going to play. Did you see him limping? No? All right."
Armstrong might be irritated with Wade, but Mourning, for one, isn't tired of seeing the Mavs just yet.
"Oh, no, I want to see them," Mourning said. "I want to see them for two more wins."
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/heat/content/sports/epaper/2006/06/17/a1b_heatrailcover_0617.html
Hard feelings and rough play are becoming more common.
By Carlos Frias
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Saturday, June 17, 2006
Nothing like a little bad blood to make things interesting.
The Miami Heat and Dallas Mavericks, teams that hardly knew each other nine days ago, already are sick of each other after four games of the NBA Finals.
It was only a matter of time.
"That's what a seven-game series will do," Mavericks guard Darrell Armstrong said after Game 4, a 98-74 Miami victory. "Guys get tired of seeing each other, touching each other, bumping and everything. It gets like that.
"Don't be surprised if it's a little more testy the next game . . . The further it goes, the more physical it's going to get."
Thursday's game was nasty enough to merit a one-game suspension for Dallas swingman Jerry Stackhouse, who was sanctioned by the league for taking down Shaquille O'Neal when the Heat center was driving to the basket.
Dallas coach Avery Johnson called the suspension "sickening."
With the NBA championship on the line, the hard fouls and tough talk might be just beginning.
Heat fans will recall many contentious playoff episodes with the New York Knicks. The most memorable was in 1988, when Miami's Alonzo Mourning got into a fist fight with Larry Johnson. The benches cleared and Knicks coach Jeff Van Gundy, trying to break up the brawl, clamped onto Mourning's leg. Zo wound up dragging Van Gundy around the court like a terrier.
Until Thursday's game, the Heat and Mavs had been generally respectful, praising each other's talents. Don't expect much more of that as the tension of the series builds.
"You get a little antsy. You want to get at each other," Heat forward Udonis Haslem said. "You want to skip the introductions, skip the days off, and you just want to get out there and get it over with."
The Detroit Pistons, champions in 1989 and 1990, showed their bitterness for an old rival when the Chicago Bulls swept them in the Eastern Conference Finals in 1991. The regulars left the bench with time remaining on the clock in the final defeat so they would not have to congratulate Chicago.
"When the series starts, everyone's got the warm and fuzzies," former Pistons coach Chuck Daly said Friday."But when the series is tied and hard fouls become really hard fouls, then you really start to see some emotion. And you really started to see some of that (Thursday) night."
One instance came late in the second quarter. As Dwyane Wade drove to the basket, Dallas forward Dirk Nowitzki swatted at him hard, sending Wade to the floor. A second later, O'Neal received a technical for arguing Wade's case with the officials.
One minute later, things came to a head.
Heat guard Jason Williams stole a pass and sent it ahead to O'Neal for a dunk, but Stackhouse leaped and pounded O'Neal with a forearm. Shaq hit the ground and wobbled as he got up. Wade immediately grabbed O'Neal, perhaps thinking he needed to restrain him from going after Stackhouse.
The Heat's Antoine Walker started jawing at Stackhouse, prompting Heat coach Pat Riley to leave the bench to intercede.
"I've been there too many times with those things," Riley said.
Stackhouse was assessed a flagrant foul, O'Neal hit both his free throws and Walker received a technical.
And the trash talk was on.
"Stack wasn't trying to hurt anybody," Armstrong said. "That's a hard foul on a big guy. . . . But you got heroes like Antoine Walker who come up and feel like they got to say something. For what? You ain't fought one time in this league. All of a sudden you're getting brave?
Armstrong then recalled a former NBA enforcer who played for the Knicks and Bulls, among other teams.
"If that would have been Charles Oakley, I would have looked at it a little different because Oak don't care. Oak would have fought you.
"I don't know what (Walker) said, but he's messing with the wrong cat — Stackhouse. He really is."
Walker further angered the Mavs when he attempted a pair of three-pointers with less than three minutes left in the game and the Heat up by 22.
"That'll rub you the wrong way," Armstrong said. "Let him do his little 'shimmy shake,' whatever. . . . They're at home and they got their little swagger. They're feeling confident and that's what you get sometimes."
Walker denied showing off.
"When Dirk hit the shot in Game 2 and went back making his faces, was that showing off?" Walker said. "This is basketball. We're playing the game with a lot of emotion. So, whatever motivating factor they need, let them use that."
O'Neal tried to steer clear of the banter, but couldn't help himself when he was asked what he thought of Stackhouse's hard foul.
"My impression was my daughters tackle me harder when I come home," O'Neal said after the game. "It actually felt pretty good to get hit like that. Thank you, Jerry. Appreciate it."
The incident brought back memories for former Knicks center Patrick Ewing, who was sitting courtside. Expect the toughest play at this time of the year, he said.
"That's what the NBA Finals is all about. No easy baskets," Ewing said. "Since Game 1, nobody wants to lose."
The emotions begin building in the first round, Daly said.
"I don't think you can go forward unless you get mad," he said. "It's a natural part of competitiveness."
The Mavs went so far as to say Thursday that Wade was putting on a show for the cameras when he limped to the lectern for interviews Wednesday, a day after O'Neal fell on Wade's left knee. He scored 36 points in Game 4.
"Man, that's for TV," Armstrong said of Wade's limp. "At this point in the season, you're going to play. Did you see him limping? No? All right."
Armstrong might be irritated with Wade, but Mourning, for one, isn't tired of seeing the Mavs just yet.
"Oh, no, I want to see them," Mourning said. "I want to see them for two more wins."
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WoodysGirl said:
You can't go after Shaq from behind. He's gonna get a dunk that way. To prevent him from dunking the ball you have to go through him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CCknwBTQBk&search=stackhouse shaq
Stack's left arm is clearly going for the ball. If he had gone from behind he would have still made contact and Shaq would have made the dunk. You have to make Shaq shoot the free throws. I still maintain that this was no where near the severity of Bell's or Posey's fouls, yet Stack gets the same punishment. And play by Williams to pass it off behind him was stupid. You can't hand the ball off to the NBA's worst free throw shooter in history and not expect him to get fouled on a breakaway.
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I'm starting to get nervous now. I thought the Mavs would have a lot of momentum heading into game 3 and even a little heading into game 4, but I was WAY off. I have thrown my predictions out the window. All I can do is cross my fingers now and hope they'll be back to old form for game 5 and 6...
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Oh what does Steve Kerr know, he's only got 3 or 4 rings.peplaw06 said:
I'm not suggesting he should've been suspended. I think I stated that in one of my other posts. But I'm really not surprised by it.
It was not just a hard foul, it was excessive. Does it compare to the foul-causing-suspensions? Not sure. But I bet it has everything to do w/him not going for the ball. His attempt to go for the ball that you claim came after contact was made and his arms came down.
I've seen the replay several times and his "attempt" to go for the ball was secondary and it was done after he'd already made contact and knocked Shaq off balance. Refs were definitely correct in assessing the Flagrant 1 foul. The league making it a Flagrant 2 is questionable, but understandable.
My comment about Stack possibly going for the ball from behind was based on his ability to take a different angle to catch Shaq and then elevate for the ball. Still would've been a foul, but it would've been clear he was going for the ball, and "maybe" the contact wouldn't have been as much.
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WoodysGirl said:Oh what does Steve Kerr know, he's only got 3 or 4 rings.
I'm not suggesting he should've been suspended. I think I stated that in one of my other posts. But I'm really not surprised by it.
It was not just a hard foul, it was excessive. Does it compare to the foul-causing-suspensions? Not sure. But I bet it has everything to do w/him not going for the ball. His attempt to go for the ball that you claim came after contact was made and his arms came down.
I've seen the replay several times and his "attempt" to go for the ball was secondary and it was done after he'd already made contact and knocked Shaq off balance. Refs were definitely correct in assessing the Flagrant 1 foul. The league making it a Flagrant 2 is questionable, but understandable.
My comment about Stack possibly going for the ball from behind was based on his ability to take a different angle to catch Shaq and then elevate for the ball. Still would've been a foul, but it would've been clear he was going for the ball, and "maybe" the contact wouldn't have been as much.
Even if his attempt to go for the ball was "secondary," it was an attempt. Here, you be the judge. Watch Posey and Bell, see if they make an attempt, "secondary" or otherwise.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XxU3YXcRwV0&search=james posey
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TEG4F84Odtc&search=raja bell kobe bryant
Do those plays really compare to Stack's foul?? Another point. Both Posey and Bell were ejected right after the foul, and Stack gets the same punishment.... And in the NBA Finals no less.
Not to beat a dead horse, but if you go solely for the ball on Shaq, he dunks it. He's stronger and he has bigger hands. Plus, one reason it looked excessive is because he's 300 pounds. I don't care how hard he gets hit, if he goes to the floor, it's gonna look (and sound) worse than Kirk Hienrich hitting the floor.
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I'm gonna stick by my vote in saying that Basketball sucks, but I would like to see Shaq get another ring, cause I think it would piss off Kobe.
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That Wade kid is quite a player, isn't he?
I love Avery Johnson, but he seems like he's coming unglued. His post game press conference is surreal.
I love Avery Johnson, but he seems like he's coming unglued. His post game press conference is surreal.
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This series has gotten out of hand. Shaq demolishes and bangs into Dallas players and don't get called for fouls. Yet they suspend Stack for 1 game for commiting a hard foul which wasn't even flagrant.
It goes to show how really twisted and corrupt the NBA has really become. Even that last drive to the basket by Wade wasn't even considered a foul by Nowinski and the refs called it. I want this to be a hard fought series. But its clearly shows the bias the refs and other powers that be have in wanting Miami to win.
It goes to show how really twisted and corrupt the NBA has really become. Even that last drive to the basket by Wade wasn't even considered a foul by Nowinski and the refs called it. I want this to be a hard fought series. But its clearly shows the bias the refs and other powers that be have in wanting Miami to win.