Dallas vs. Miami... Who wins the NBA Finals? (Heat wins series 4-2)

[Danny White]

It's a little ridiculous the amount of travelling and palming that the top players get away with.

There's an NBA commercial now with Wade sinking a last-second shot against the Pistons, and I swear that Wade carries the ball while making a move, takes another dribble, carries the ball again while making another move, dribbles, and then finally stops and takes three steps before shooting a fall-away.

His movement and playmaking is beautiful, but they might as well suspend the rulebook. LeBron gets away with multiple (3+) steps as well.

I think the refs get mesmerized by some of these players.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

They're confidence is shaken. Going back to Dallas should help, but I just find it funny, that the focus is so much on the refs and not the play of the team.

Your hatred for the Mavs is really starting to show in your comments.

Aren't you a Houston Rockets fan and didnt their coach bascially accuse the Refs of going easy because Cuban gives the league a hard time. Comments about the refs that were so severe Commissioner Stern even brought up the possibility of a Lifetime Ban.

So it shouldnt be surprising that we are talking about the refs especially a fan of the Houston Rockets.

The home team has basically won in this series. IF the trend continues, the Mavs should win the series.

- Mike G.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Again that rule is only if the ball is already established in the frontcourt, not on inbound plays. Inbound plays are governed differently.

I'm actually looking for the rule now on throw-ins and inbound play. When I find it, I'll let you know.

But don't be so sure the NBA is gonna help the Mavs so that it can go 7 games. It doesn't work like that. The teams have to play the games. And from what I've seen. The Mavs have lost their composure and not sticking to their game. They're confidence is shaken. Going back to Dallas should help, but I just find it funny, that the focus is so much on the refs and not the play of the team. Mavs are clearly the more talented team. They have more depth. And yet, they haven't been able to close things out.

Did you watch the Mavs/Spurs series? Not only did the refs help it to a game 7, but they helped get the Spurs back in it to make game 7 exciting.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Your hatred for the Mavs is really starting to show in your comments.

Aren't you a Houston Rockets fan and didnt their coach bascially accuse the Refs of going easy because Cuban gives the league a hard time. Comments about the refs that were so severe Commissioner Stern even brought up the possibility of a Lifetime Ban.

So it shouldnt be surprising that we are talking about the refs especially a fan of the Houston Rockets.

The home team has basically won in this series. IF the trend continues, the Mavs should win the series.

- Mike G.

See that's not it at all. I've got no hatred for the Mavs. I've said it time and time again. I admit to rooting for the Heat. But most of my comments have been strictly from the ref side. You haven't seen me saying anything about the officiating going against the Heat. You can say there haven't been, but you would be wrong. There have been questionable calls on both teams. But because I'm on a board w/a bunch of Mavs fans, I'm only responding to certain Mavs beefs.

I imagine if I was on a board w/Heat fans, I know I'd respond the same way. My dad is a big time Shaq fan which makes him automatically a Heat fan and he gets mad, cuz I don't always buy into the theory that they're calling bad fouls on Shaq or Wade or any of the players. I'm strictly arguing the officiating calls. And that's because I'm a ref. I know what the refs are looking at most of the time, depending on the angle. And even if I don't agree w/the call, I can pretty much understand why a certain call was made.

You're right if the Home and Home trend continues, the Mavs should win. But I think it goes 7, regardless and I think the Heat could take it. Not sure they could close it out in the next game. And if the Mavs don't regain the confidence they had in the other series, it could be trouble. I'm serious when I say that. I expected them to run away w/this series after the first two games, because like I said before, they clearly have the more talented team. But they dont seem to impose their will on the Heat like they should.

BTW, me being a Rockets fan has nothing to do with anything, actually. You have a right to be angry that your team is down 1 game in this series. But don't try to make like my bias is based on anything related to the Rockets success or lack thereof. Hell, I hate Van Gundy and I really, really want him to be fired. He could've been banned for life and I would've been the happiest fan in Houston.

 

[Danny White]

Did you watch the Mavs/Spurs series? Not only did the refs help it to a game 7, but they helped get the Spurs back in it to make game 7 exciting.

Come on, don't act like the Mavs weren't the beneficiaries of some highly questionable game-changing calls in that series.

It was a tough-fought series that could have gone either way, but facts is facts, and the Mavs got some HUGE help from the zebras in that one.

You've made some interesting points here, but your ability to see the game and officiating rationaly when it comes to your beloved Mavs is questionable, at best.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Come on, don't act like the Mavs weren't the beneficiaries of some highly questionable game-changing calls in that series.

It was a tough-fought series that could have gone either way, but facts is facts, and the Mavs got some HUGE help from the zebras in that one.

You've made some interesting points here, but your ability to see the game and officiating rationaly when it comes to your beloved Mavs is questionable, at best.

I never said they only gave the Spurs calls, it said they made sure it went 7

 

[Yeagermeister]

How can you play good defense when:

1: Wade commits a backcourt violation (it was per the NBA rule book, whether or not you choose to admit it doesnt matter)

2: Wade stiffarms a defender into the front row

3: Wade palms the ball on the crossover in the corner

4: Wade takes 3 steps (one step and a jumpstop) on his way to the basket

I see that every time I watch an NBA game and it wasn't a backcourt.

 

[Yeagermeister]

It's a little ridiculous the amount of travelling and palming that the top players get away with.

There's an NBA commercial now with Wade sinking a last-second shot against the Pistons, and I swear that Wade carries the ball while making a move, takes another dribble, carries the ball again while making another move, dribbles, and then finally stops and takes three steps before shooting a fall-away.

His movement and playmaking is beautiful, but they might as well suspend the rulebook. LeBron gets away with multiple (3+) steps as well.

I think the refs get mesmerized by some of these players.

What about the Iverson commercial a few years ago where they showed his crossover in slow mo and he palmed on every move

 

[SA_Gunslinger]

Did you watch the Mavs/Spurs series? Not only did the refs help it to a game 7, but they helped get the Spurs back in it to make game 7 exciting.

some would say they helped the mavs get to 3-1 in the first place.

now, i'm not one of them, but i also don't agree with your statement, here.


and as someone else noted, don't pretend that dallas hasn't had their share of favorable calls these playoffs.

too bad dirk couldn't hit a free throw, or this would probably already be over. but i guess the refs made him miss, huh?

 

[The30YardSlant]

some would say they helped the mavs get to 3-1 in the first place.
now, i'm not one of them, but i also don't agree with your statement, here.


and as someone else noted, don't pretend that dallas hasn't had their share of favorable calls these playoffs.

too bad dirk couldn't hit a free throw, or this would probably already be over. but i guess the refs made him miss, huh?

That's the point, they helped the series get to 7 anyway they could

Notice: Once they got it into OT in gmae 7, Diop was allowed to body up and bump Duncan, something no one had been allowed to do all playoffs long. People were hacking, falling, getting knocked to the floor, buit little was called. OT of game 7 was how the NBA SHOULD be called all the time and it shows how the NBA only plays it fair once they have achieved maximum revenue and ratings value.

Maybe you have forgotton, but the in the early 90s the bad boy Pistons and Bill Lambeer were throwing guys into the first row and getting nothing more than personal fouls. That was a much better time in the NBA. I remember thinking how amazing Jordan was that, even though players were killing him all game long, he STILL got 40 every other game. Wade, Kobe, Lebron, etc couldnt survive in that league.

 

[Yeagermeister]

DAV-ID HAS-ELL-HOFF

 

[The30YardSlant]

DAV-ID HAS-ELL-HOFF

 

[Yeagermeister]

I have said many times we sucked so :

 

[SA_Gunslinger]

DAV-ID HAS-ELL-HOFF

i don't care who you are, that is HILARIOUS.

 

[Vintage]

If Dallas had just taken care of business, OT wouldn't have even happened.

Had Howard made those Free Throws, it would have been a 3 PT lead.

Had Howard not wasted that Time out, you would have had a chance for a last second shot.

Had they not possessions down the stretch of regulation, overtime wouldn't have been an issue.

Had they gotten a good shot of instead of that stupid 24 second violation down the stretch of regulation, overtime might not have occured.

Had they hit the big shots down the stretch, they would have won.

Had Wade not been so damn clutch, the Mavs win.

The Mavs made little out of their opportunities within the last couple of minutes of the game in regulation. The Heat did. The call didn't lose the game for you. The Mavs lost it themselves. They put the ref in the position to make the call. They put themselves into the position where the call actually mattered. They put themselves into the position where they are down 3-2, instead of being up possibly 3-2, or potentially having already won the series 4-1 (gave away game 3).

The call didn't do that.

The Mavs did. If they lose; its deservingly so. Them are the facts.

 

[The30YardSlant]

If Dallas had just taken care of business, OT wouldn't have even happened.

Had Howard made those Free Throws, it would have been a 3 PT lead.

Had Howard not wasted that Time out, you would have had a chance for a last second shot.

Had they not possessions down the stretch of regulation, overtime wouldn't have been an issue.

Had they gotten a good shot of instead of that stupid 24 second violation down the stretch of regulation, overtime might not have occured.

Had they hit the big shots down the stretch, they would have won.

Had Wade not been so damn clutch, the Mavs win.

The Mavs made little out of their opportunities within the last couple of minutes of the game in regulation. The Heat did. The call didn't lose the game for you. The Mavs lost it themselves. They put the ref in the position to make the call. They put themselves into the position where the call actually mattered. They put themselves into the position where they are down 3-2, instead of being up possibly 3-2, or potentially having already won the series 4-1 (gave away game 3).

The call didn't do that.

The Mavs did. If they lose; its deservingly so. Them are the facts.

And yet, Miami STILL has very little, if any, advantage in this series. All Dallas has to do is beat Miami twice at home in a building that Pat Riley has never won in and Miami hasnt won in in 5 years.

If Dalals wins game 6, the deflation and misery that will befall the Heat will be too much to overdome.

 

[peplaw06]

If Dallas had just taken care of business, OT wouldn't have even happened.

Had Howard made those Free Throws, it would have been a 3 PT lead.

Had Howard not wasted that Time out, you would have had a chance for a last second shot.

Had they not possessions down the stretch of regulation, overtime wouldn't have been an issue.

Had they gotten a good shot of instead of that stupid 24 second violation down the stretch of regulation, overtime might not have occured.

Had they hit the big shots down the stretch, they would have won.

Had Wade not been so damn clutch, the Mavs win.

The Mavs made little out of their opportunities within the last couple of minutes of the game in regulation. The Heat did. The call didn't lose the game for you. The Mavs lost it themselves. They put the ref in the position to make the call. They put themselves into the position where the call actually mattered. They put themselves into the position where they are down 3-2, instead of being up possibly 3-2, or potentially having already won the series 4-1 (gave away game 3).

The call didn't do that.

The Mavs did. If they lose; its deservingly so. Them are the facts.

Every team makes mistakes in NBA games.... if the Heat had lost, you could have said, well they lost it themselves, because they couldn't make their Free throws... they shot 32-49 or 65%.

So even after the mistakes, the Mavs put themselves into position to win the game, and a phantom foul was called, putting Wade on the line with less than 2 seconds left.

One question for you... I stole this quote from the Ticket today, but I've made this point many times regarding the inconsistency of NBA refs....

If Jason Williams was the one with the ball there, is it a foul?? If it's in the 2nd quarter, is it a foul??

And WG, you may be right, that Harris may have in fact fouled Wade. But they called it on Dirk... so the point is moot. You can't say, "well there must have been a foul in there," and blow the whistle, then guess as to who committed it. If they didn't call it on Harris, they didn't see it. They called it on Dirk, and there wasn't one there, so they messed up.

 

[peplaw06]

Hell, after slowing it down, I just noticed, it doesnt matter where he ewas established, he physically caught the ball in the front court and then went into the backcourt:

http://img136.*************/my.php?image=33nc.jpg

This pic's pretty difinitive WG

 

[WoodysGirl]

This pic's pretty difinitive WG

Just have to agree to disagree, then. That pic is not definitive as it pertains to the rules. I'd never call that a backcourt violation in an actual game.

But it's cool. We got at least one more game to argue the merits.

 

[royhitshard]

That's the point, they helped the series get to 7 anyway they could

Notice: Once they got it into OT in gmae 7, Diop was allowed to body up and bump Duncan, something no one had been allowed to do all playoffs long. People were hacking, falling, getting knocked to the floor, buit little was called. OT of game 7 was how the NBA SHOULD be called all the time and it shows how the NBA only plays it fair once they have achieved maximum revenue and ratings value.

Maybe you have forgotton, but the in the early 90s the bad boy Pistons and Bill Lambeer were throwing guys into the first row and getting nothing more than personal fouls. That was a much better time in the NBA. I remember thinking how amazing Jordan was that, even though players were killing him all game long, he STILL got 40 every other game. Wade, Kobe, Lebron, etc couldnt survive in that league.

You need to quit reaching for any and all excuses. The Mavs are down one game and you are upset. Understandable, but there are still 2 games (possibly), so give it a rest with the ref excuses. :violin: