Dallas vs. Miami... Who wins the NBA Finals? (Heat wins series 4-2)

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OK, I guess we'll have to disagree then. One thing I think is positive for Mavs fans. I figured they would come out in Game 5 and have a chip on their shoulder because of Stack's suspension, and it seemed like they did to some extent. But they didn't have a killer instinct.

I'm hoping the fiascos from Game 5 will add to the fire they have. It has to right?? If you don't come out swinging now, the season's over. They only faced one elimination game so far in the playoffs, but they came out on fire against SA in game 7.

Here's an article posted on Yahoo sports. I hope they're as mad as this article projects and they come out and do something about it.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AkjJZQ.wwLG4xnurqw9_KLQ5nYcB?slug=ap-nbafinals-mavericks&prov=ap&type=lgns

MIAMI (AP) -- Mark Cuban has plenty more reasons to be furious with NBA officials.


From his perspective, referees made two huge mistakes before hitting his Dallas Mavericks with an unwanted timeout during the closing moments of their 101-100 overtime loss to the Miami Heat in Game 5 of the NBA finals on Sunday night.

Cuban said replays show that referees missed a backcourt violation against Dwyane Wade at the start of his final drive to the basket. The Dallas owner also believes Wade fouled the Mavericks' Jason Terry before drawing the contact that led to his winning free throws with 1.9 seconds left.

For the Mavericks, those incidents overshadowed what seemed like the obvious source of their anger: Being given their final timeout between Wade's foul shots, instead of after, when they could've moved the ball to midcourt and had a chance to set up a final shot.


"I care less about the timeout," Cuban said. "The error in my mind occurred before then."


Asked if it was the collision that Terry jumped up from screaming about being shoved, Cuban said: "You mean when he pushed him? I don't know. I guess that's not a call. I guess that's not a foul."


Dallas star Dirk Nowitzki, who ended up being charged with the foul on Wade's drive, said he thought "Dwyane pushed off like three guys to get to the basket."


After Wade made another free throw following the timeout, Dallas guard Devin Harris missed a desperation heave. When the buzzer sounded, the Mavericks unleashed their anger.


Cuban, who was wearing the jersey of suspended forward Jerry Stackhouse, ran onto the court and screamed at official Joe DeRosa, then went to the scorer's table and stared down NBA commissioner David Stern and other league officials. Cuban then went up the tunnel toward their aisle and kept screaming and staring.


Stern made his way out, but Cuban didn't let up. Considering he's been fined well over $1 million -- including $200,000 this postseason alone -- his tab could rise again before Game 6 in Dallas on Tuesday night.
Players were irate, too.


Nowitzki, who scored 20 points including a tough jumper that put Dallas up by one point with 9.1 seconds left, kicked the ball into the stands as he left the court. On his way to the locker room, he slammed against a stationary bike then kicked at something else. Josh Howard, who called the timeout, threw off his headband in disgust as he left the court.


"Josh Howard goes to Joe DeRosa and not only once, but twice asks for a timeout," referee Joe Crawford told a pool reporter. "Forced to call it, simple as that."


When told by a reporter what Crawford said, Howard became so agitated that he had to be taken out of the locker room to calm down. Cuban came in when Howard returned.


"It's common sense -- what would I tell him timeout for?" Howard said after gathering his emotions.


The Mavericks went to the foul line 25 times. So did Wade. The entire Heat team went 49 times.


"I don't know," Cuban said. "I guess they got fouled more."


Said Harris: "It's not like we're not going to the basket."


Mavericks coach Avery Johnson refused to answer questions about the Terry-Wade contact, repeatedly asking his interrogator what he thought. Terry said he couldn't comment.


"We have to watch the film and see," he said.


Asked if the refs explained the non-call to him, Cuban said: "No, they don't do that here. That's unfortunate."


Cuban was standing against a wall, shaking his head while gathering his thoughts before speaking to reporters when assistant coach Larry Riley alerted him to the missed backcourt violation.


"You can't be established in the frontcourt, then jump into the backcourt," Cuban said after watching a replay. "My understanding from the rule book is, if you are going to catch the ball in the backcourt, you have to be in the backcourt to catch it. You can't be established into the backcourt after you catch it or that's a backcourt violation."


The Mavericks came into the game already furious over the decision to suspend Stackhouse because of hard foul in Game 4.


This latest incident, and possible league action against Cuban, makes things even more interesting as the Heat take a 3-2 series lead to Dallas for Game 6 on Tuesday night.


"This is going to leave a bitter taste in everyone's mouth," Howard said. "We're going to come out and play hard in Game 6 and Game 7."
 

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I really wanted to root for the Mavericks in this series, but Cuban just makes it impossible. I can't stand that little troll.

He's the human personification of fingernails down a chalkboard.
 

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Who knows how it will unfold, but the jobbing by the refs may be what ends up doing the Heat in. Like the commander of the Japanese fleet said after the strike on Pearl Harbor: "I believe all we have done is awaking a sleeping giant"
 

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This was brought to my attention by another poster, here is a pic that Miami fans seem to think proves Wade was fouled:

DWade1.jpg


However, not only was the foul call on Dirk, not Harris, but the whistle had already blown by the time this picture was taken. Whatever "foul" was called, it was not this one. The picture in my sig was taken right as the whistle blew.
 

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HeavyHitta31 said:
But his name is Dwyane Wade, so it's not a foul :rolleyes:
You guys are acting like this is some new phenomenon.

Remember Jordan's final shot against the Jazz, where he blatantly shoves Bryon Russell out of the way, at the top of the key in front of God and everybody? There was not a chance in hell that was going to be a foul, and that was 100 times worse.

It's the "Jordan rules" and it applies to every player that is playing at the level at which Wade is playing right now. Right or wrong, when you're that hot, you're going to get calls going your way, and there's no way you're going to get called for an offensive foul in a situation like that.
 

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Danny White said:
You guys are acting like this is some new phenomenon.

Remember Jordan's final shot against the Jazz, where he blatantly shoves Bryon Russell out of the way, at the top of the key in front of God and everybody? There was not a chance in hell that was going to be a foul, and that was 100 times worse.

It's the "Jordan rules" and it applies to every player that is playing at the level at which Wade is playing right now. Right or wrong, when you're that hot, you're going to get calls going your way, and there's no way you're going to get called for an offensive foul in a situation like that.

That is one thing, however, when you commit a backcourt violation, travel, palm, and pushoff (twice, he pushed Howard as he crossed over as well), one would expect SOMETHING to be called. I don't think I've ever seen a player commit 4 turnovers in a span of 7 seconds.
 

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Danny White said:
You guys are acting like this is some new phenomenon.

Remember Jordan's final shot against the Jazz, where he blatantly shoves Bryon Russell out of the way, at the top of the key in front of God and everybody? There was not a chance in hell that was going to be a foul, and that was 100 times worse.

It's the "Jordan rules" and it applies to every player that is playing at the level at which Wade is playing right now. Right or wrong, when you're that hot, you're going to get calls going your way, and there's no way you're going to get called for an offensive foul in a situation like that.

BINGO
 

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HeavyHitta31 said:
This was brought to my attention by another poster, here is a pic that Miami fans seem to think proves Wade was fouled:

DWade1.jpg


However, not only was the foul call on Dirk, not Harris, but the whistle had already blown by the time this picture was taken. Whatever "foul" was called, it was not this one. The picture in my sig was taken right as the whistle blew.
Wow! That certainly shows absolutely definitively that there was a foul on the play... and not only a foul, but a foul that clearly changed the outcome of the shot.

The refs blew the assignment of the foul (which happens routinely), but they certainly got the end result right.

You're a stand-up guy for posting that picture, HH. I concede your other points are well-taken, but that picture shows 100% that Wade was fouled on the drive.
 

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Danny White said:
Wow! That certainly shows absolutely definitively that there was a foul on the play... and not only a foul, but a foul that clearly changed the outcome of the shot.

The refs blew the assignment of the foul (which happens routinely), but they certainly got the end result right.

You're a stand-up guy for posting that picture, HH. I concede your other points are well-taken, but that picture shows 100% that Wade was fouled on the drive.
Yeah that would never keep him from putting up a shot :rolleyes:
 

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Danny White said:
Wow! That certainly shows absolutely definitively that there was a foul on the play... and not only a foul, but a foul that clearly changed the outcome of the shot.

The refs blew the assignment of the foul (which happens routinely), but they certainly got the end result right.

You're a stand-up guy for posting that picture, HH. I concede your other points are well-taken, but that picture shows 100% that Wade was fouled on the drive.

Yes, but the whistle had already blown by this time. Whatever they saw to call the foul, it was not this. Especially since the ref who called it was BEHIND Wade and could not have seen it even IF he blew the whistkle after it happened, which he didnt.
 

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tx_wade.drive.jpg


Notice the ref in the background blowing the whistle in this pic which was taken BEFORE the one where Harris grabs Wade's arm.
 

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HeavyHitta31 said:
tx_wade.drive.jpg


Notice the ref in the background blowing the whistle in this pic which was taken BEFORE the one where Harris grabs Wade's arm.
The whistle was called BEFORE the arm contact, because of the body contact that occurred before he took the shot. They called it a shooting foul, because of the continuation rule in the NBA. Look at the gif you posted. The body contact occurred before the arm swipe by Harris.

Yep, it was mis-applied to Dirk, but it was a correct call.

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HeavyHitta31 said:
tx_wade.drive.jpg


Notice the ref in the background blowing the whistle in this pic which was taken BEFORE the one where Harris grabs Wade's arm.
From that guy's perspective it probably looked like Dirk was pushing him in the back, which he may have been, it's tough to see from that angle. You've said that he wasn't but I've yet to see a shot that confirms that.

But the point is that he WAS fouled. Regardless of whether or not they got the right guy for the foul. He was fouled in the act of shooting, and he gets foul shots for that.

Also, it looks to me (although I may be wrong) that the Harris foul occurred just BEFORE your sig photo. In your sig, it looks like Wade has already played through the foul and Harris is now behind him.

Ultimately it really doesn't matter. The game's over and what's done is done.
 

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WoodysGirl said:
The whistle was called BEFORE the arm contact, because of the body contact that occurred before he took the shot. They called it a shooting foul, because of the continuation rule in the NBA. Look at the gif you posted. The body contact occurred before the arm swipe by Harris.

Yep, it was mis-applied to Dirk, but it was a correct call.

72102485.gif

So because Wade runs into Harris' knee, it's a foul? It would be one thing if Harris tried to impede wade, but Wade stepped into him. Even IF Harris had bumped him intentially, that is a weak, weak call in any situation, especially with 2 seconds left in the Finals.
 

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HeavyHitta31 said:
So because Wade runs into Harris' knee, it's a foul? It would be one thing if Harris tried to impede wade, but Wade stepped into him. Even IF Harris had bumped him intentially, that is a weak, weak call in any situation, especially with 2 seconds left in the Finals.
Guess we see it different, because I see Wade going around Harris. Harris gets beat by Wade and bumps him and sticks his knee out. That's a blocking foul. Anytime a player has beat his or her man, and the defender sticks their knee out, it's a block. And 9 times out of 10, it should be called. No matter the situation.

It may suck because of the circumstances, but it's a good call.
 

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Guess we see it different, because I see Wade going around Harris. Harris gets beat by Wade and bumps him and sticks his knee out. That's a blocking foul. Anytime a player has beat his or her man, and the defender sticks their knee out, it's a block. And 9 times out of 10, it should be called. No matter the situation.

It may suck because of the circumstances, but it's a good call.

Let's assume for a minute you are right, how would the ref over 20 feet away and behind the play see that foul? Did he magically see through Wade's thigh?

IMO, it was an anticipation foul that the refs gave Wade because they wanted to be sure he had a chance to win the game.
 

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HeavyHitta31 said:
Let's assume for a minute you are right, how would the ref over 20 feet away and behind the play see that foul? Did he magically see through Wade's thigh?

IMO, it was an anticipation foul that the refs gave Wade because they wanted to be sure he had a chance to win the game.
You may not like it but the refs call anticipation fouls in every game. I have seen so many of those types of calls go against my Griz it drives me crazy.
 

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You may not like it but the refs call anticipation fouls in every game. I have seen so many of those types of calls go against my Griz it drives me crazy.

That doesnt make it right, and you cant be whistle happy with ther NBA title on the line
 
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