Dalton is an upgrade over Dak eh?

[ABQCOWBOY]

QB position, or QB Argument.???..Perhaps you forgot what things looked like from Aikman to Romo.

But why? I mean, they didn't have to look like that. That was a management decision, more then anything. We way over spent on FA, we never developed a backup who could become the starter because we didn't want to ruffle anybodies feathers. We built the team on the OL and then we over paid and over spent on guys who either never lived up to their billing or outlived their contracts. We never went out an hired a really good Coach who could right the ship because everybody had to be able to work with Jerry and Jerry sided with the players way too much. So basically, we got ourselves in a bad cap situation, a void talent level on the team, no draft picks for future talent because we had traded them all away on stop gap players who failed and we had to hire a HC who would work with Jerry to try and get us out. None of that adds up to success but let me ask you, does any of that sound familiar? Can you see any of that history starting to repeat itself?

My point is, it didn't have to be that way after Troy but it was because of management and it will be again because of management if we don't change our way of doing business IMO.

 

[CATCH17]

the point is get a freaking defense......just think if this defense averaged giving up 32 points a game instead of 36...we would have been 4-1 prior to his injury

Look at 2019.. When we played good defense our offense wouldn't show up.


The offensive numbers are inflated because we throw a million times.

It's like Bucs fans saying Jameis Winston wasn't a problem and Tom Brady won't fix any of their issues because Winston lead the league in passing.

While I think Dak isn't our problem at all I also don't think he is our answer either.

 

[thechosen1n2]

Oh i remember very well, but whats your point? We can't have civil qb conversations because it was tough to replace aikman?

I think you totally misunderstood what I was saying, or either I wasnt clear in my point. My intent was to agree that there are bigger things to discuss than the I told you so argument, but that does not mean that QB is the least of our worries or a far from important discussion. I truly believe the discussions should be civil. I like ...Really Like Trevor Lawrence. I think thats a reasonable discussion, but after weighing it I think its risky to let a top 4 to 8 qb go for a maybe...even probable prospect

 

[RonnieT24]

Well, hows that working for you? Dak is on the shelf with a losing season posted in 2020, we are down to our third string QB and he's making a ton less money then Dak for basically the same results.

You want to fix the Defense, that takes money. You want to pay the man, that spends money. Do the math.

A top 5 pick defensive beast will be no higher than the 5th highest player on the defense next year. The second round pick will make 600K/year. Signing Dak to a long term deal will cut his cap hit from 38 million on next year's tag to 10-15 million. I think you can find a decent defender or two with the leftover 20 million. The biggest point I am trying to make is that not signing Dak adds another hole to your roster and does so at the most important and hardest to find position in the game. And if you think 33 points a game vs 6.5 points a game and 1 TD and 6 turnovers is "basically the same results" then we can end our discussion here. We're never going to see that the same. The math doesn't work for me.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Look at 2019.. When we played good defense our offense wouldn't show up.


The offensive numbers are inflated because we throw a million times.

It's like Bucs fans saying Jameis Winston wasn't a problem and Tom Brady won't fix any of their issues because Winston lead the league in passing.

While I think Dak isn't our problem at all I also don't think he is our answer either.

that defense was garbage time defense...similar to garbage time stats, some like to refer to. it was smoke and mirrors.

that defense struggled when it counted and they allowed way too many 3rd down conversions.....allowed teams to get back in the game and never had the killer instinct.

and I place wins/losses on TEAM and coaches....not just one side of the team and on one player. it makes ZERO sense.......

and our special teams sucked last year. our kicker missed 10 straight kicks from 40-45.....10....and if he made just half of those we would easily have 2 more wins....easily.

we had the worst starting position in the NFL last year.

we are even worse this year.

this offense is always pitted deep and has to play perfect, absolutley PERFECT for the team to have any chance. I don't see any other team ever succeeding this way.

 

[thechosen1n2]

Look at 2019.. When we played good defense our offense wouldn't show up.


The offensive numbers are inflated because we throw a million times.

It's like Bucs fans saying Jameis Winston wasn't a problem and Tom Brady won't fix any of their issues because Winston lead the league in passing.

While I think Dak isn't our problem at all I also don't think he is our answer either.

Thats different because for every TD Winston threw, he threw a pick as well. ....Thats not Dak.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Look at 2019.. When we played good defense our offense wouldn't show up.


The offensive numbers are inflated because we throw a million times.

It's like Bucs fans saying Jameis Winston wasn't a problem and Tom Brady won't fix any of their issues because Winston lead the league in passing.

While I think Dak isn't our problem at all I also don't think he is our answer either.

This is the truth. Good teams are solid top to bottom and that means depth. We haven't fielded a team like that since Jimmy left the building. Came close with Parcells and probably would have made it but the runway ran out before we could truly get wheels up.

IDK, it feels like Groundhog Day to me.

 

[DanTanna]

Dalton looked like a rookie! Staring down receivers, holding the ball too long, not making correct pre snap reads. I just can't believe how bad he looked. Being a Bengals fan must have SUCKED !!! Dak is 10x better than Dalton ever was. I'm liking Dak more and more.

 

[xwalker]

Everybody who trotted out that narrative needs to lose their posting privileges for two weeks. Dalton is getting worse as time wears on not better. He was good against the Giants, terrible against the Cardinals and just plain pathetic against the Football Team. At this rate he'll need to pay the Cowboys for the right to play. I was hopeful that he would get it together as time wore on but clearly this dude is washed. May as well start the kid the rest of the way. He can't be any worse than what we're seeing out of Dalton. I cannot think of a single reason to watch this team the rest of this season.. and this comes from a guy who hasn't missed a game in 30 years. I might watch one more game.. just to see if MAYBE Sean Lee and Chido can add something to this dumpster fire of a defense.. But since neither of them plays d-line, I doubt they can provide much. At least not in the area of most need.

Sigh!

Even before Dak's injury it's was comical that some sub-set of "fans" thought Dak was not a good player.

Dak was on a pace that would project to 6750 passing yards for the season. Payton's Manning's record is 5477.

Not saying that Dak would stay on that pace, but the losing overshadowed the Cowboys incredible offensive production.

They were #2 in scoring.

Dak had an INT percentage of about 1.6%. Payton Manning was at 2.2% for his record breaking season.

With Dak the Cowboys were only losing because of a terrible defense and fumbles.

 

[thechosen1n2]

A top 5 pick defensive beast will be no higher than the 5th highest player on the defense next year. The second round pick will make 600K/year. Signing Dak to a long term deal will cut his cap hit from 38 million on next year's tag to 10-15 million. I think you can find a decent defender or two with the leftover 20 million. The biggest point I am trying to make is that not signing Dak adds another hole to your roster and does so at the most important and hardest to find position in the game. And if you think 33 points a game vs 6.5 points a game and 1 TD and 6 turnovers is "basically the same results" then we can end our discussion here. We're never going to see that the same. The math doesn't work for me.

Exactly...

Youre making it too black and white....

 

[Hennessy_King]

Everybody who trotted out that narrative needs to lose their posting privileges for two weeks. Dalton is getting worse as time wears on not better. He was good against the Giants, terrible against the Cardinals and just plain pathetic against the Football Team. At this rate he'll need to pay the Cowboys for the right to play. I was hopeful that he would get it together as time wore on but clearly this dude is washed. May as well start the kid the rest of the way. He can't be any worse than what we're seeing out of Dalton. I cannot think of a single reason to watch this team the rest of this season.. and this comes from a guy who hasn't missed a game in 30 years. I might watch one more game.. just to see if MAYBE Sean Lee and Chido can add something to this dumpster fire of a defense.. But since neither of them plays d-line, I doubt they can provide much. At least not in the area of most need.

Sigh!

Hoes quiet lately

 

[Philmonroe]

so in our opinion, expert opinion that is, when you are down 3 points with 3-4 minutes to go, the game is over?

glad you aren't our coach, you would throw the towel and waive the white flag in the middle of second quarter...

btw, don't sign up to join the army.....

No need for me to sign up for the army I knew what I wanted to do with my life after HS. As far as your question spare me the emotions. I’ve already explained your stupid question but if you want to play obtuse fine by me. All your emotional bs is already answered in the post you quoted. I swear some of you people aren’t that smart when your emotions start getting into it smh

 

[CATCH17]

that defense was garbage time defense...similar to garbage time stats, some like to refer to. it was smoke and mirrors.

that defense struggled when it counted and they allowed way too many 3rd down conversions.....allowed teams to get back in the game and never had the killer instinct.

and I place wins/losses on TEAM and coaches....not just one side of the team and on one player. it makes ZERO sense.......

and our special teams sucked last year. our kicker missed 10 straight kicks from 40-45.....10....and if he made just half of those we would easily have 2 more wins....easily.

we had the worst starting position in the NFL last year.

we are even worse this year.

this offense is always pitted deep and has to play perfect, absolutley PERFECT for the team to have any chance. I don't see any other team ever succeeding this way.

In 2020 it's very rare to play defense at a high level. Most teams are garbage on defense.. It's very rare to see a team consistently play good defense.. You may see 3 or 4 years of great defense before the cap makes you start choosing players.

Keeping point totals low is about the best case scenario for the majority of NFL teams.

 

[thechosen1n2]

But why? I mean, they didn't have to look like that. That was a management decision, more then anything. We way over spent on FA, we never developed a backup who could become the starter because we didn't want to ruffle anybodies feathers. We built the team on the OL and then we over paid and over spent on guys who either never lived up to their billing or outlived their contracts. We never went out an hired a really good Coach who could right the ship because everybody had to be able to work with Jerry and Jerry sided with the players way too much. So basically, we got ourselves in a bad cap situation, a void talent level on the team, no draft picks for future talent because we had traded them all away on stop gap players who failed and we had to hire a HC who would work with Jerry to try and get us out. None of that adds up to success but let me ask you, does any of that sound familiar? Can you see any of that history starting to repeat itself?

My point is, it didn't have to be that way after Troy but it was because of management and it will be again because of management if we don't change our way of doing business IMO.

The problem is Bro...We have the same management in place.

 

[cern]

Did that take 7 pages.

Not for me. Just where i joined thw convo.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Thats different because for every TD Winston threw, he threw a pick as well. ....Thats not Dak.

TDs and Picks don't matter if you can't get the wins. Best passing QB I ever saw, in 9 starts his rookie year, threw 20 TDs and 6 picks. They lost to Seattle in the playoffs, first round.

The next year, 16 starts he threw 48 TDs and 17 INTs and threw for over 5K, set all the records, went to the Super Bowl and lost to the 49ers. He would never get there again but he would break all the records before he retired. But he would never ever win a Super Bowl.

All the stats in the world mean nothing if you can't get the wins when it counts. For that, you gotta have more then just Offense.

 

[RonnieT24]

Thats different because for every TD Winston threw, he threw a pick as well. ....Thats not Dak.

Some people flunked cipherin'.. As such they cannot see the difference between a guy with a 4 to 1 TD to INT ration and a guy with a 1 to 1 ratio. To those people it's the same and you can't tell 'em different. It's literally like trying to explain the difference between red and orange to a person who is color blind. They're looking at what you're showing them but all they see is gray and gray.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

A top 5 pick defensive beast will be no higher than the 5th highest player on the defense next year. The second round pick will make 600K/year. Signing Dak to a long term deal will cut his cap hit from 38 million on next year's tag to 10-15 million. I think you can find a decent defender or two with the leftover 20 million. The biggest point I am trying to make is that not signing Dak adds another hole to your roster and does so at the most important and hardest to find position in the game. And if you think 33 points a game vs 6.5 points a game and 1 TD and 6 turnovers is "basically the same results" then we can end our discussion here. We're never going to see that the same. The math doesn't work for me.

First of all, you don't know what the cap hit will be next year so stop right now with that. I listen to you on this nonsense once before and I'm not doing this again. You aren't going to throw up arbitrary numbers and act like they are real again. That's a waste of time and I'm not wasting more time on that. Beyond that, we don't officially know what the team cap is going to be next year. What we do know is that it will be less but how much less, we don't know. Rookies are not coming onto the Defense next year and making some kind of huge impact IMO. If we are getting better on that side of the ball next year, it's going to be through guys who are already here or guys who are brought in through FA. That's going to take money. Not signing Dak may or may not make sense but you have no way of knowing if it creates a whole or not. You don't know what we will do in the draft. We may try and go QB or we may make a trade or we may go out and sign a guy but either way, if the results from Dak are .500 or worse, as they have been over the last two seasons, what difference does it make?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The problem is Bro...We have the same management in place.

Yes, that is the problem so does it really make much sense to overspend on QB if you already know how the picture show turns out?

 

[thechosen1n2]

TDs and Picks don't matter if you can't get the wins. Best passing QB I ever saw, in 9 starts his rookie year, threw 20 TDs and 6 picks. They lost to Seattle in the playoffs, first round.

The next year, 16 starts he threw 48 TDs and 17 INTs and threw for over 5K, set all the records, went to the Super Bowl and lost to the 49ers. He would never get there again but he would break all the records before he retired. But he would never ever win a Super Bowl.

All the stats in the world mean nothing if you can't get the wins when it counts. For that, you gotta have more then just Offense.

Bro...I am in full agreement. We definitely need a defense, but my point is we need both. The league has changed. There are no 2000 Ravens, 84 Bears, Whatever year Seattle defenses anymore. You cant play cornerback anymore, you cant hit anyone without 15 yard penalties. The top 5 defenses are giving up 20 to 24 points per game. Meaning your team has to score points to win....With Dak, Martin, Collins, Smith all due back....focus this draft strictly on defense and you go back at it. That is the quickest path. The following year, you start drafting trench guys for both sides. We have cooper and CD for the forseeable future. RB can be found.