DanTheMan 2015 Draft Film Review

[AsthmaField]

The better comparison with Von Miller would be Vic Beasley. Would include Davis Tull too.

I was thinking Beasley too. Dupree is too big to play OLB in this scheme and he's plenty big enough to play WDE for Marinelli. He's going to rotate anyway, so another player could play most of the run downs.

 

[sureletsrace]

Haouli Kikaha (Washington) and Luther Maddy (Virginia Tech).

 

[AsthmaField]

Kevin Johnson, CB Wake Forest. That guy has impressed me more than just about any other corner in the draft. Looks fluid and quick, has good length and seems like a mature, hard working kid. I really like him. Most have him as a second round pick now, so I've been hoping he might would be there for our 2nd pick... but I'm afraid he will rise through the draft process so much that we would only have a shot at him at #27.

tyia

 

[dantheman41]

Dante Fowler Jr (Edge Rusher) Florida

Positives: Outstanding side to side speed and athleticism. Extremely disruptive. Ridiculously quick first step. Excellent at stunt pass rushing moves. Deceptive strength. Wide array of pass rush moves. Can beat you so many ways. I believe can play DE or outside linebacker in 3-4 and did both at Florida. Extremely violent with his hands and fighting blockers. Relentless, never stops. Really effective even rushing inside in 3rd down situations.
Negatives: His height is going to be huge at combine. Doesn't always play with technique or leverage. Not always disciplined in staying in his lanes against run.
Comparison and Where He Fits on Our Team: Outstanding football player! Sky is the limit. I see this guy as an outstanding pass rusher in the NFL. So many qualities especially his explosiveness. I would line him up at left or right end.

 

[dantheman41]

Shane Ray (Edge Rusher) Missouri

Positives: Outstanding first step, even better then Fowler's. For a guy his size, makes a lot of plays in run game. Moves all over the line, and is effective even rushing inside in nickel. Violent hands. Plays very smart, and reads QBs well. As good as his first step is, his overall speed is just as good. Very few QBs will be able to get away from him, or outrun him.

Negatives: When first move is blocked, has difficulty getting off blocks. Relies a little too heavily on his quickness then actual pass rush moves. Lot of his pressures and sacks come off stunts. Disappears at times in games.

Comparison and Where He Fits on Our Team: Wow another outstanding edge rusher. Really close for me between him and Fowler. I give the slight edge to Fowler because I feel he has a bigger tool belt and is more relentless. But Ray is better against the run, and has a slightly better first step. I would use him at RE, but he can easily play LE as well. This guy is going to be a really good football player, and is a proven pass rusher.

 

[xwalker]

Haouli Kikaha (Washington) and Luther Maddy (Virginia Tech).

Kika has knee issues.

 

[sureletsrace]

Kika has knee issues.

Shame. I followed his progress a bit throughout the year, seemed like he could be a really good player.

 

[xwalker]

Shame. I followed his progress a bit throughout the year, seemed like he could be a really good player.

He would be worth a shot at some point, but I would move him down the rankings to make up for the risk.

 

[dantheman41]

Vic Beasley (Edge Rusher) Clemson

Positives: Really good first step and plays with a lot of explosive ability. Nice job of splitting double teams at times. Possesses really good athleticism. Has an excellent speed rush and spin move. Excellent flexibility to bend around the edge. Does a good job of converting speed to power.

Negatives: Little thin and undersized for my liking. Doesn't play with a lot of strength and has difficulty shedding blocks when initially blocked. No position flex. Plays as a RDE and doesn't move at Clemson and wouldn't in NFL. Not a great wrap up tacker. Gets mauled by physical offensive lineman. On ground a lot! Has a very hard time in run game. Relies a little too much on his speed rush and getting tackles off balance.

Comparison and Where He Fits on Our Team: Interested to see how explosive he would be if he gained 10 lbs or so. Like him, don't love him to be honest. Huge step down from Ray, Dupree and Fowler. Would get mauled in NFL unless he gains considerable strength, but certainly has some nice pass rush ability which we need. I think he's a slightly better player then Demarcus Lawrence, certainly more explosive.

 

[endersdragon]

How about Marcus Golden? I have seen him go all over the place in terms of mock drafts, and frequently to the Cowboys in either the first or second round (I think he is our first round pick at walterfootball now) but I have heard he might have a rough transition to the pros, much like his former teammate Sam.

 

[dantheman41]

How about Marcus Golden? I have seen him go all over the place in terms of mock drafts, and frequently to the Cowboys in either the first or second round (I think he is our first round pick at walterfootball now) but I have heard he might have a rough transition to the pros, much like his former teammate Sam.

I'll get to him very soon

 

[dantheman41]

Hau'oli Kikaha (Edge Rusher) Washington

Positives: Plays violent. Very strong. Really good against the run. Excellent balance, stays on his feet. Fluid on coverage situations. Very strong at the point of attack.

Negatives: Looks like he is playing in quick sand it almost looks slow motion at times. Doesn't have a great motor. Running down plays looks like he is jogging. Injury concerns. Gets easy sacks, unblocked.

Comparison and Where He Fits on Our Team: In my opinion his best fit is as a 3-4 LOLB in the old Anthony Spencer role. Not an elite pass rusher type, but can cover and rush a little. Not a huge fan of the player. I much rather have an elite fast twitch pass rush type for an outside rusher.

 

[dantheman41]

You don't think Crawford is explosive as a 3tech? I could see that as compared to DEs but as a DT I think he is very explosive.

Sorry I never got to this question, just saw it. I think Crawford is much more explosive inside then outside, but he isn't in the Ratliff or Hatcher category as far as explosion. Doesn't have Henry Melton's athleticism. Not saying he can't be better then those guys.

 

[dantheman41]

I assume the Dupree comment was not intended for me, but I'll address it anyway.

Some people think that a way to get one of the elite but undersized pass rushers onto the team would be to use him like Denver used Von Miller. VM plays SLB on base downs and moves to DE in obvious passing situations. He also blitzes from his SLB position in the base and at times they have the DE on the opposite side hold up his rush or drop into a shallow zone which gives them a 3-4 type look.

The Giants also moved Mathias Kiwanuka back and forth between SLB and DE over the years. He had 4.5 sacks in 10 games his 2nd year in the league while playing SLB.

Think of it as if you had a pass rushing specialist that comes in on obvious passing situations but instead of being on the bench on base downs, is on the field as the SLB.

Seattle does it to some extent with Bruce Irvin, but he does not line up as a DE nearly as often as Von Miller because Irvin plays WLB and stays on the field in passing situations as a Nickel LB. Irvin did have 6.5 sacks this season.and Von Miller had 14.

The Cowboys did try doing this to some extent with Kyle WIlber but he is obviously not an elite pass rusher.

I do think there would be some Pros and Cons to doing this. It would get an extra pass rusher on the field in the base and it would allow you to draft a guy that has elite quickness for pass rushing without having to have the size to hold up against the run as a DE. On the downside, if use a 1st round pick to get this player it's most likely because of his pass rushing ability while his ability as an off the line LB might not be 1st round worthy.

Having said the above, at 6-4, 267 there is no reason no reason that Dupree can't play all downs as a DE.

Completely agree with this sentiment.

 

[dantheman41]

I love Preston Smith but Crawford is far more quick twitch.

If we give up our 2-3 to move up for Dupree it certainly isn't to play LB. He'd be our SDE.

I completely disagree. Let's see combine results in the shuttle and the 10 yard split. When Preston is inside he is unblockable at times with his quickness. Crawford doesn't beat guys with his quickness. He beats guys generally with his strength and swim move.

 

[tm1119]

Check out Deion Barnes in the edge rusher category when you get a chance too....I may be biased because I'm a Penn State fan, but I think he could be a steal in the middle rounds.

 

[The Realist]

I completely disagree. Let's see combine results in the shuttle and the 10 yard split. When Preston is inside he is unblockable at times with his quickness. Crawford doesn't beat guys with his quickness. He beats guys generally with his strength and swim move.

Noted

 

[xwalker]

I completely disagree. Let's see combine results in the shuttle and the 10 yard split. When Preston is inside he is unblockable at times with his quickness. Crawford doesn't beat guys with his quickness. He beats guys generally with his strength and swim move.

Jason Hatcher
40 Yrd Dash: 4.82
20 Yrd Dash: 2.89
10 Yrd Dash: 1.72
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 28
Broad Jump: 09'05"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.50
3-Cone Drill: 7.68

Tyrone Crawford
40 Yrd Dash: 4.82
20 Yrd Dash: 2.72
10 Yrd Dash: 1.70
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 28
Broad Jump: 09'05"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.44
3-Cone Drill: 7.09

 

[dantheman41]

Jason Hatcher
40 Yrd Dash: 4.82
20 Yrd Dash: 2.89
10 Yrd Dash: 1.72
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 28
Broad Jump: 09'05"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.50
3-Cone Drill: 7.68

Tyrone Crawford
40 Yrd Dash: 4.82
20 Yrd Dash: 2.72
10 Yrd Dash: 1.70
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 28
Broad Jump: 09'05"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.44
3-Cone Drill: 7.09

Come on man thats not even fair. Watch the games. Hatcher completely rebuilt his body these last few years. Wasn't same guy coming out of college. Ask scouts, even Broaddus. He says it all the time, Crawford isn't the explosive athlete Hatcher is.

 

[dantheman41]

Randy Gregory (Edge Rusher) Nebraska

Positives: Perfect mix of height and length and uses his length excellent. Very explosive and excellent athlete. Deceptively strong. Has a HUGE ceiling. Surprisingly really good against the run for his size. Does an excellent job of setting the edge. Makes a lot of tackles.

Negatives: Little bit of a flash player, comes and goes. Needs to get stronger and grow into his frame still. Very raw still has very limited pass rush moves besides his length and athleticism.

Comparison and Where He Fits on Our Team: Little too much of a project for my liking but has huge ceiling. Best fit is as a RE. Like the player, but I would take Fowler and Ray over him. His ceiling is JPP, but he could certainly bust as well.