Dare I say: Eli's BETTER than Romo?

[Doomsday]

Eli's offensive line is better then Romo's, that is about it. Eli cant win games with his arm, period!

It is easy to be safe and protect the ball when your running game is putting up 200 yards a game and able to pick up third downs on its own. Unlike Eli, Romo has to make a lot of plays for offense to be successful.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Romo is much better than Eli but he needs a more QB friendly offense than Garrett is running. If Garrett tried to run this offense with this OL with any other QB in the league, that QB would be in the hospital after about 4 games. The number of times we let someone come in clean to take a shot at Romo is astronomical. What is even more amazing is his ability to escape those situations and make plays.

I really think Romo is struggling with his football grip right now due to his hand injury and the harder and further he has to throw the ball, the more problems he has. The colder the weather is, the more trouble he has.

The big problem right now is Garrett - he is not doing what he needs to do to make Romo and this offense successful. He has a running game to use now but he is not using it. He has good options to throw in the short to intermediate passing game in Witten, Crayton and RW11 but he is not using them either. He is sticking to this vertical offense despite the fact that teams are playing 2-deep, the weather is bad, his QB has a bad hand and his OL is not picking up blitzes and stunts.

Garrett needs to go talk to Norv for awhile about how to develop a QB and how to run an offense. Then he needs to come back to Dallas and apologize to Romo.

 

[links18]

Romo is much better than Eli but he needs a more QB friendly offense than Garrett is running. If Garrett tried to run this offense with this OL with any other QB in the league, that QB would be in the hospital after about 4 games. The number of times we let someone come in clean to take a shot at Romo is astronomical. What is even more amazing is his ability to escape those situations and make plays.

I really think Romo is struggling with his football grip right now due to his hand injury and the harder and further he has to throw the ball, the more problems he has. The colder the weather is, the more trouble he has.

The big problem right now is Garrett - he is not doing what he needs to do to make Romo and this offense successful. He has a running game to use now but he is not using it. He has good options to throw in the short to intermediate passing game in Witten, Crayton and RW11 but he is not using them either. He is sticking to this vertical offense despite the fact that teams are playing 2-deep, the weather is bad, his QB has a bad hand and his OL is not picking up blitzes and stunts.

Garrett needs to go talk to Norv for awhile about how to develop a QB and how to run an offense. Then he needs to come back to Dallas and apologize to Romo.

This is just about right. BTW, how much snow you guys got out there?

 

[Gemini Dolly]

Romo is much better than Eli but he needs a more QB friendly offense than Garrett is running. If Garrett tried to run this offense with this OL with any other QB in the league, that QB would be in the hospital after about 4 games. The number of times we let someone come in clean to take a shot at Romo is astronomical. What is even more amazing is his ability to escape those situations and make plays.

I really think Romo is struggling with his football grip right now due to his hand injury and the harder and further he has to throw the ball, the more problems he has. The colder the weather is, the more trouble he has.

The big problem right now is Garrett - he is not doing what he needs to do to make Romo and this offense successful. He has a running game to use now but he is not using it. He has good options to throw in the short to intermediate passing game in Witten, Crayton and RW11 but he is not using them either. He is sticking to this vertical offense despite the fact that teams are playing 2-deep, the weather is bad, his QB has a bad hand and his OL is not picking up blitzes and stunts.

Garrett needs to go talk to Norv for awhile about how to develop a QB and how to run an offense. Then he needs to come back to Dallas and apologize to Romo.

:clap2:

 

[RainMan]

As Bob said, when Eli has to make big play, more often than not he doesn't make them. He doesn't have to put NEARLY the amount of games on his shoulders that Romo does.

Three years from now, the "shininess" of Eli's Super Bowl win last year will wear off and he'll be more judged on what-have-you-done-for-me-lately. But a season after guiding the Giants past an undefeated team for a Super Bowl title, it's hard to say Romo -- whom I absolutely adore, big-game woes and all -- is better.

Like I said, if I were building a team, I would select Romo over Eli. So in a sense, I guess I think he's better. But I don't think it's an argument worth waging when we're just worried about Romo trying to win a big game.

 

[Eskimo]

This is just about right. BTW, how much snow you guys got out there?

Not too bad up here in Edmonton - just a couple of cms every day for the last couple of weeks. It has been cold -20 to -30 Celsius (or -4F to -22F). Darn garage door froze on me halfway open.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

Romo is much better than Eli but he needs a more QB friendly offense than Garrett is running. If Garrett tried to run this offense with this OL with any other QB in the league, that QB would be in the hospital after about 4 games. The number of times we let someone come in clean to take a shot at Romo is astronomical. What is even more amazing is his ability to escape those situations and make plays.

I really think Romo is struggling with his football grip right now due to his hand injury and the harder and further he has to throw the ball, the more problems he has. The colder the weather is, the more trouble he has.

The big problem right now is Garrett - he is not doing what he needs to do to make Romo and this offense successful. He has a running game to use now but he is not using it. He has good options to throw in the short to intermediate passing game in Witten, Crayton and RW11 but he is not using them either. He is sticking to this vertical offense despite the fact that teams are playing 2-deep, the weather is bad, his QB has a bad hand and his OL is not picking up blitzes and stunts.

Garrett needs to go talk to Norv for awhile about how to develop a QB and how to run an offense. Then he needs to come back to Dallas and apologize to Romo.

There is so much truth to this post. Garrett reminds me too much of Mike Martz. I want a guy who has done this job before to run the offense. I don't want someone learning on the job when our window to win a Super Bowl isn't going to be open forever. It's one thing to have an OC that's learning on the job when your team sucks and is rebuilding, but to have one learning on the job when we have a legitimate shot to win the Super Bowl and crappy coordinating is enough to keep us from doing it?

No thanks. Get someone else in here.

 

[The Panch]

Romo's the better play maker, but Eli's the better game manager and has gotten his turnover issue resolved. He had 20 INTs and 13 fumbles last year. With only one game left that he probably wont play a whole lot in, he has 10 INTs and 5 fumbles. Romo has 3 more INTs and 6 more fumbles despite missing 3 games and having 49 less pass attempts. 11 fumbles in 12 games in 08. 10 fumbles in 16 games in 07. He's regressing with his ball protection.

 

[Real1st]

Romo is much better than Eli but he needs a more QB friendly offense than Garrett is running. If Garrett tried to run this offense with this OL with any other QB in the league, that QB would be in the hospital after about 4 games. The number of times we let someone come in clean to take a shot at Romo is astronomical. What is even more amazing is his ability to escape those situations and make plays.

I really think Romo is struggling with his football grip right now due to his hand injury and the harder and further he has to throw the ball, the more problems he has. The colder the weather is, the more trouble he has.

The big problem right now is Garrett - he is not doing what he needs to do to make Romo and this offense successful. He has a running game to use now but he is not using it. He has good options to throw in the short to intermediate passing game in Witten, Crayton and RW11 but he is not using them either. He is sticking to this vertical offense despite the fact that teams are playing 2-deep, the weather is bad, his QB has a bad hand and his OL is not picking up blitzes and stunts.

Garrett needs to go talk to Norv for awhile about how to develop a QB and how to run an offense. Then he needs to come back to Dallas and apologize to Romo.

Great Post... Garrett is mostly the problem on offense.. But Romo also has to learn to take his shots and know when to dump it off. I hate when that gun sling mentality comes into his mind

 

[Clarkson]

Three years from now, the "shininess" of Eli's Super Bowl win last year will wear off and he'll be more judged on what-have-you-done-for-me-lately. But a season after guiding the Giants past an undefeated team for a Super Bowl title, it's hard to say Romo -- whom I absolutely adore, big-game woes and all -- is better.

Like I said, if I were building a team, I would select Romo over Eli. So in a sense, I guess I think he's better. But I don't think it's an argument worth waging when we're just worried about Romo trying to win a big game.

Eli played great in the playoffs. He was pretty terrible during the regular season, though. He just caught lightening in a bottle, and it happened to be in the playoffs. He's not some big-game, hot-shot quarterback. He does enough not to lose. His team carries him, asking him to make some tough throws here and there but not many, and rarely is he asked to go out and win a game.

When he is, that's when the Giants lose.

 

[The Panch]

Eli played great in the playoffs. He was pretty terrible during the regular season, though. He just caught lightening in a bottle, and it happened to be in the playoffs. He's not some big-game, hot-shot quarterback. He does enough not to lose. His team carries him, asking him to make some tough throws here and there but not many, and rarely is he asked to go out and win a game.

When he is, that's when the Giants lose.

When Eli was called on, they didnt lose against the Skins or the Cardinals, who correct me if Im wrong, gave Romo the fumblitis.

 

[Asklesko]

Sometimes i swear there are guys breaking their back to excuse Romos poor play.


Romo has Roy11, T.O., Witten

Eli has Hixon and old *** Toomer

It's true. People need to make up their mind. First the Cowboys have this great offense, with Barber, T.O., Witten, Choice, etc. Now their offense is not even better than the Giants'. Right...

 

[links18]

Romo is much better than Eli but he needs a more QB friendly offense than Garrett is running. If Garrett tried to run this offense with this OL with any other QB in the league, that QB would be in the hospital after about 4 games. The number of times we let someone come in clean to take a shot at Romo is astronomical. What is even more amazing is his ability to escape those situations and make plays.

I really think Romo is struggling with his football grip right now due to his hand injury and the harder and further he has to throw the ball, the more problems he has. The colder the weather is, the more trouble he has.

The big problem right now is Garrett - he is not doing what he needs to do to make Romo and this offense successful. He has a running game to use now but he is not using it. He has good options to throw in the short to intermediate passing game in Witten, Crayton and RW11 but he is not using them either. He is sticking to this vertical offense despite the fact that teams are playing 2-deep, the weather is bad, his QB has a bad hand and his OL is not picking up blitzes and stunts.

Garrett needs to go talk to Norv for awhile about how to develop a QB and how to run an offense. Then he needs to come back to Dallas and apologize to Romo.

Garrett is not helping Romo out, but Romo also needs to accept responsibility for some of the poor decisions he makes on the field, like not running for the 1st down when there is nobody in front of him and instead heaving it downfield into double coverage, especially when Ed Reed is back there. He is also missing guys running open in the middle of the field, while he is looking for the big play. Garrett isn't helping him, but Romo isn't helping himself either.

Right now the consensus among the commentators is that we have an irrational owner (Falk grilling Jerry about making RW11 the 2nd highest paid receiver in the league), a cream puff head coach, a high school offense and a sandlot QB. Nobody is taking us seriously at all.

 

[Clarkson]

When Eli was called on, they didnt lose against the Skins or the Cardinals, who correct me if Im wrong, gave Romo the fumblitis.

Romo had 1 turnover in the Arizona game. 1 turnover, 0 fumbles in the Washington loss, 2 INTs in the Washington win where he just came back after 4 weeks off. Oh, and zero fumbles in the Washington win.

 

[tyke1doe]

Great Post... Garrett is mostly the problem on offense.. But Romo also has to learn to take his shots and know when to dump it off. I hate when that gun sling mentality comes into his mind

Another product of poor coaching. That's the offensive coordinator's responsibility. You take away plays that allow him to throw deep all the time.

Interestingly enough, in 2006 and the early portion of 2008, the Giants were relying on Eli's arm. He was making tons of mistakes. Then it dawned on the Giants coaches to feature the running game and make Eli a manager. Eli thrived in that environment, and I think he's learn to be better with the ball and eliminate mistakes.

Our coaches allow Romo to be too loose and fancy with the offense, and, as a result, he makes more turnovers because we've given him control over the Ferrari, and he's still trying to learn how to drive it in all occasions. Oh sure, when you're on the Autoban, you open it up and you feel like an Indy race car driver. But when it's wet and slippery, you'd better know how to drive then or you are going to end up crashing.

Romo has learned the former. He has yet to learn the latter.

 

[RainMan]

Eli played great in the playoffs. He was pretty terrible during the regular season, though. He just caught lightening in a bottle, and it happened to be in the playoffs. He's not some big-game, hot-shot quarterback. He does enough not to lose. His team carries him, asking him to make some tough throws here and there but not many, and rarely is he asked to go out and win a game.

When he is, that's when the Giants lose.

I agree somewhat, but you're acting as if his post-season performances never happened. They did. And as we analyze things less than a year after winning a Super Bowl, his playoff performance last season trumps any previous regular-season woes IMO.

Again, I just don't think this is a debate worth waging right now. Romo's coming off another terrible loss while Eli is hours removed from delivering his team the No. 1 seed a season after winning the Super Bowl.

I like Romo better, but he's not as accomplished as we sit here today. Do I like Romo's chances of eventually outdoing Eli? Yeah, I do. But right now Eli boasts the bragging rights.

 

[Clarkson]

I agree somewhat, but you're acting as if his post-season performances never happened. They did. And as we analyze things less than a year after winning a Super Bowl, his playoff performance last season trumps any previous regular-season woes IMO.

Again, I just don't think this is a debate worth waging right now. Romo's coming off another terrible loss while Eli is hours removed from delivering his team the No. 1 seed a season after winning the Super Bowl.

I like Romo better, but he's not as accomplished as we sit here today. Do I like Romo's chances of eventually outdoing Eli? Yeah, I do. But right now Eli boasts the bragging rights.

My point is that Eli has a far more consistent offensive line and running game than Romo does. His team doesn't abandon the run nearly as much and they just have an easier time controlling the clock.

Put it this way. If you put Romo on that Giants team last year, he also stomps through the playoffs and doesn't rely on a miracle to win the Super Bowl. IMO of course.

 

[links18]

I agree somewhat, but you're acting as if his post-season performances never happened. They did. And as we analyze things less than a year after winning a Super Bowl, his playoff performance last season trumps any previous regular-season woes IMO.

Again, I just don't think this is a debate worth waging right now. Romo's coming off another terrible loss while Eli is hours removed from delivering his team the No. 1 seed a season after winning the Super Bowl.

I like Romo better, but he's not as accomplished as we sit here today. Do I like Romo's chances of eventually outdoing Eli? Yeah, I do. But right now Eli boasts the bragging rights.

Do you like Romo's chances with this coaching staff?

 

[RainMan]

My point is that Eli has a far more consistent offensive line and running game than Romo does. His team doesn't abandon the run nearly as much and they just have an easier time controlling the clock.

Put it this way. If you put Romo on that Giants team last year, he also stomps through the playoffs and doesn't rely on a miracle to win the Super Bowl. IMO of course.

The same argument has been used against Troy Aikman, and I cry bloody murder every time I hear it.

I understand what you're saying, and you might be right. But legacies aren't about imaginary what ifs. They're about results. And right now, Romo sits among the highest rated quarterbacks in the history of the game, yet without a playoff victory. The latter statistic matters more to the masses.

As I keep saying, Romo still has plenty of time to deliver on the playoff front. A win next week could mean it happens this very season.

 

[GOLDENCHILD1688]

you never seen eli make big plays? did you see the superbowl last year? i don't think eli is a better qb than romo but i do think hes better at making as few mistakes as possible.

you mean the same superbowl in which on the last drive you speak of eli threw 2 passes right to the patriots secondary that should have been picked?

eli gave the patriots enough chances to end that game samuel and their cornersd choke and couldnt make the big play. he hit asante squar in the chest.

and lets get real here

every qb whos started as long as eli has is gonna have big plays under his belt. rex grossman has big plays so to say none for any starting qb is ridiculous, the thing is he cant do it consistently. like i said eli rarely is put into that position because he is a game manager hiding behind a power run game.