Darnold > Prescott

TheSport78 said:
Not really. Where was this Stafford coping you speak of? Jim Schwartz, Jim Caldwell and Matt Patricia, along with two horrible GMs in modern times.

Dak was handed the keys to a Lambo his very first year in the league, has had numerous top OLs, defenses 70% in top 10 scoring, top 5 in turnover differential 2021-23, etc.

The FIRST YEAR Stafford goes to a well-coached team with upper management that knows how to run things, HE WINS A SUPER BOWL. I love how you say "won his first playoff game" when they won the Lombardi.

Dak's had numerous Pro Bowl players around him in a generally weak division and hasn't even sniffed the Conference Championship; he's played some of his worst ball in the playoffs.

Stafford is a surefire HOFer; Dak won't even come close.
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A Lambo being driven by Garrett. A great and sure HOF coach. :muttley:
 
DillusionalFans said:
Darnold has accomplished more this year than Dak because he didn’t chocked in the playoffs.
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He wouldn't have accomplished anything with this Cowboys defense. Like the other poster previously said, Darnold would have been sitting home during the playoffs if he was the quarterback of this team.

As great as Mahomes is, he sat at home during the playoffs and was out of it before the season was over. Mahomes would have been sitting home if he had this Cowboys defense as well.
 
GINeric said:
Jim Kelly had HOF coach, receiver and running back and still couldn't win a Superbowl in 4 tries.

Trent Dilfer had NO great receivers, a good runningback and won a Superbowl on his first try.

Josh Allen is supposed to be elite and can't even get to the Superbowl. Colin Kaepernick was non elite and led his team to the Superbowl. Crazy huh.....
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Oh, did Dak ride with the 1 NFL defense and #8 overall rushing attack? Did his defense ever hold the 49ers to 6 points or only allow 17 points a game?

Oh wait, that's right. That never happened.

Not even a Dak guy, but football math don't really add up here, bro.

Turns out football IS a team sport... :huh:
 
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TheSport78 said:
Your argument collapses the moment you pretend draft position determines greatness, because if that were true, Tom Brady would have been irrelevant, Patrick Mahomes would not be better than Mitch Trubisky, and half the league’s best players would not even exist. Matthew Stafford spent 12 years in Detroit dealing with bad ownership, constant coaching turnover, weak defenses, inconsistent offensive lines, no run game, and almost zero depth outside of Calvin Johnson, yet still put up elite numbers and elevated multiple average receivers into career best seasons. And when you cherry pick his 2021 interceptions, you conveniently ignore that he threw for 4,886 yards, 41 touchdowns, a 102.9 passer rating, finished top three in yards and touchdowns, then followed it up in the playoffs with 1,188 yards, 9 touchdowns, and only 2 interceptions, including clutch wins over Tampa, San Francisco, and Cincinnati and the game winning Super Bowl drive with no run game and no OBJ. That is not winning in spite of him, that is winning because of him.

Meanwhile, Dak Prescott has spent his entire career behind elite offensive lines, with dominant running backs, stacked receivers, a weak division, and still has not reached a Conference Title game or Super Bowl or delivered consistently in big playoff moments.

Saying Stafford needed help is meaningless, because every champion quarterback had help, and no Rams quarterback won before him even with Aaron Donald anchoring the defense. Football is a team sport, not tennis, and pretending Stafford was supposed to overcome a dysfunctional franchise by himself is just moving the goalposts.

The reality is simple: Stafford carried broken rosters for over a decade and still produced like an elite quarterback, then immediately won when he finally joined a competent organization, while Dak has had every advantage imaginable and still keeps falling short, so if anyone failed to elevate, the evidence points in one direction, and it is not Stafford.
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Are you sure you’re talking about these same Dallas Cowboys? I didn’t realize that we had elite Olines and RBs every year since 2016. And I guess we’ve had the best owner and coaches the league has ever had over that time. Oh ya, I forgot all those number one defenses we’ve had as well.
 
OGSixshooter said:
You just admitted Dak is part of the problem. A $60mm/year, 25% of the cap PROBLEM.
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Dak didn’t pay himself. Jerry did and that’s the problem. Stop blaming Dak for taking the money. It’s rare when a player takes a discount like Brady did.
 
OGSixshooter said:
You just admitted Dak is part of the problem. A $60mm/year, 25% of the cap PROBLEM.
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What did the cowboys do when he was on his rookie contract? Did they go all in or did they load the team with bargain budget contracts?
 
TheMarathonContinues said:
Damn you’ve seen some good QB play it’s weird the fascination of Darnold.
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I am not fascinated with Sam Darnold. What I am is sad that our QBs can't even lead their team ( Romo / Prescott) couldn't even get to a NFC Conference finals. The ONLY stat ( as a Dallas fan since '77) is wins. Not regular season wins, passing yards, TD passes, or how much they make because stats is for players not fans. Fans want wins and Dallas fan are use to get to at least NFC Conference games once every 5 or less years, not 30 years and counting.
 
Sully said:
I am not fascinated with Sam Darnold. What I am is sad that our QBs can't even lead their team ( Romo / Prescott) couldn't even get to a NFC Conference finals. The ONLY stat ( as a Dallas fan since '77) is wins. Not regular season wins, passing yards, TD passes, or how much they make because stats is for players not fans. Fans want wins and Dallas fan are use to get to at least NFC Conference games once every 5 or less years, not 30 years and counting.
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Sounds like your problem is Jerry not Dak and Romo.
 
DarkVader33 said:
Dak didn’t pay himself. Jerry did and that’s the problem. Stop blaming Dak for taking the money. It’s rare when a player takes a discount like Brady did.
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Stop blaming Dak for taking the money. I guess I should cheerlead then?

Wow.
 
Darnold isn't greater than Dak. However, the team is far superior around Darnold, than what Dak had. I'm mainly talking about what Sam had on the oline and defense. Sam has a lot to lean on in Seattle and doesn't need to do it all. Even when Sam isn't at his best he wins. That is because of the entire support system there, the team first structure. We are trying to mimic that model. Which is what new England and Chicago have done. To a lesser degree, Denver and Jacksonville.
 
Chuck 54 said:
Answer this question honestly. How many gms and coaches, given a situation where they can take their current team or a past team to win one game against any opponent would choose Darnold over Prescott if those were their only two choices?
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You might be surprised at the answer. Dak hasn't won **** in the post season in his entire career.
 
GINeric said:
He wouldn't have accomplished anything with this Cowboys defense. Like the other poster previously said, Darnold would have been sitting home during the playoffs if he was the quarterback of this team.

As great as Mahomes is, he sat at home during the playoffs and was out of it before the season was over. Mahomes would have been sitting home if he had this Cowboys defense as well.
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Can you imagine if Darnold knew going into every game he'd likely need to score 40+ points to win Dallas gave up 31 a game?

Seattle gave up 17 points a game and was #6 in defensive takeaways. Dak likely goes undefeated with that defense.

I'm glad Darnold landed in Seattle. Had he played with Dallas' defense, his career as a starter would likely be over.
 
StarW said:
Oh, did Dak ride with the 1 NFL defense and #8 overall rushing attack? Did his defense ever hold the 49ers to 6 points or only allow 17 points a game?

Oh wait, that's right. That never happened.

Not even a Dak guy, but football math don't really add up here, bro.

Turns out football IS a team sport... :huh:
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Ive always believed and preached how football is a team sport. Its the low IQ cowards who talk about football as if its boxing or golf when something doesn't go right.
 
Sully said:
I am not fascinated with Sam Darnold. What I am is sad that our QBs can't even lead their team ( Romo / Prescott) couldn't even get to a NFC Conference finals. The ONLY stat ( as a Dallas fan since '77) is wins. Not regular season wins, passing yards, TD passes, or how much they make because stats is for players not fans. Fans want wins and Dallas fan are use to get to at least NFC Conference games once every 5 or less years, not 30 years and counting.
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It's weird that you want to win and you're not attached to a choker. It's weird that you don't want to pay a QB top dollar and equip him with every weapon possible only to get average results.
 
DarkVader33 said:
:rolleyes:

Are you sure you’re talking about these same Dallas Cowboys? I didn’t realize that we had elite Olines and RBs every year since 2016. And I guess we’ve had the best owner and coaches the league has ever had over that time. Oh ya, I forgot all those number one defenses we’ve had as well.
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More coping, and putting words in my mouth. Nowhere did I say Dak has had elite OLs and RBs every year since 2016. Debate is over right there when you twist my words.
 
TheSport78 said:
More coping, and putting words in my mouth. Nowhere did I say Dak has had elite OLs and RBs every year since 2016. Debate is over right there when you twist my words.
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That's the norm for Dak spew. Most good posters on this site avoid it.
 
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