Darnold > Prescott

Hadenough said:
We have to stop throwing around the idea of could any QB of won a SB with this defense. It’s not a one season sample with Dak! It’s watching him for 10 years. Plays great against division but has a .500 record outside of division. Forget about 500 yards and 7 TDS against the Giants and Commanders in past years that is stat padding very misleading numbers.
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Thats great but im talking about this year. Do you believe Darnold would have been able to have the same playoff success behind our 21st ranked offensive line and with our 32nd ranked defense?

Ive noticed you brought up all the other seasons Dak has played and thats fair. Now you said outside of the division, Dak is .500. The thing about that is I read that the Dallas Cowboys football team is .500 outside of the division, not just one player.

But if were going to go by that method, then people have to stop giving Matthew Stafford excuses for having a career record of 17-77 vs winning teams.

Now Darnold has played great this season. It baffles my mind that he couldn't elevate the Jets, Panthers, 49ers and Vikings to the Superbowl like he did with Seattle. He was drafted 3rd overall in the first round and was expected to start and win games from day one.

What's your opinion on that?
 
thunderpimp91 said:
Agreed, but the part that isnt so simple is you're now committing significantly more resources to keep that offense the same as you'll commit close to $40m extra per year just to keep Williams/Pickens. You also have a QB whose cap hit jumps an extra $24M, although a restructure is likely to bring that back down to a similar point to 2025. The other issue that gets glossed over at times is the offense kinda ran out of steam as the year went on....still some very good performances dont get me wrong, but they ended the season averaging 22ppg their last 4 games, and really played up and down ever since the Denver game. I think its fair to ask if this offense is truly elite level or just a really good unit that looked elite based on some early season dominance as teams tried to figure out the Cowboys with a new weapon to play with in George Pickens.

If we are going to go the run it back with the offense and throw whatever you can on the defensive side of the football to make that unit top 20ish instead of dead last could be a dangerous game as well as we may need to anticipate some natural regression from the offense if they don't look to upgrade anywhere, especially at the tackle spot.
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Well I just don't think we want to blow up the good part of this team for a guessing game next season. I agree we need a better T as well. I have not run the numbers myself but I have heard it is doable. If not, then I guess we are 2nd tier until Jerry and co. Figure out how to run the numbers and the talent like other successful teams.
 
SpaceCowboy99 said:
Stephen A Smith saying what we have all been saying.

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Steven A. was right, if Dak wants to win, he has to do what Lawrence did, you have to take him from Dallas.

Steven A. made a fair assessment about Dak being attached to a team with only a couple of playoff wins in 10 years. Steven A. never brought up the fact that Matthew Stafford failing to win a playoff game until his 12th season in the NFL.

I definitely respect his take and Orlovski's as well.
 
OGSixshooter said:
The Seahawks didn't overcome 14 penalties...because Sam Darnold had his offense together. Unless you want to say Dak is uniquely unqualified to lead men. You seem to imagine Dak the victim of some cosmic scheme...and anyone who doesn't provide Dak the same excuses you don't make for other QBs...they are in on the scheme and "lying".

I did not "lie"...and your issues are with the facts. So much so, that you feel as though exposing me as a liar is the same as proving your point. You haven't and it ain't.

The GOALPOSTS are moved because you find an excuse for WHY DAK'S PERFORMANCE SUCKED. His offensive unit sucked WHICH HE LEADS. Funny how "we" got 14 penalties but the wins belong to Dak. NO, Dak owns the penalties just like he owns the wins. He must overcome them and/or command the respect of his unit to prevent it. It starts in practice.

But guess what? IF THE QB SUCKS AND GOES DEER-IN-HEADLIGHTS, he can't rally the troops, stop the bleeding or compete LIKE SAM DARNOLD DID WHEN HIS DEFENSE HAD ISSUES WITH A GREAT OFFENSE.

$60mm/year....bought us nothing but misery and cheerleading fans who apologize for Dak.
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The problem with Dak, and we've seen it over and over in big games, is that he melts under pressure. Its a team sport, but we just witnessed a composed efficient QB lead his team through the best teams in the NFL. So, Darnold proved his metal. Dak hasn't and thats the whole point.

The problem with Darnold was that he started his career in 2 of the worst situations a young QB could get put in: the Jets and Matt Rhule's Panthers. His arm talent and mental toughness have never been in question. But he got labeled a bust and it stuck. How do you think Dak's career would have turned out if he got drafted by the Jets? He fell into a perfect position. The 2016 team was loaded. Romo got hurt and his back-up Kellen Moore was also injured. So here comes rookie 3rd stringer Dak working with half the playbook and great players around him. I think Darnold would be having a big stat career too in that situation.
 
Sully said:
Well, Sam Darnold led the Seattle Seahawks to their franchise 5th NFC Conference finals. Will be his first, which makes him a better QB than Dak Prescott.

Sure, all the stats will be thrown out saying Prescott is but stats are for players contracts.
Fans --which Dallas fans are starving for-- ONLY care about ONE thing....WINS.

Then Dallas fans will say Prescott has more wins that Darnold then I say, the ONLY stats fellow starving Cowboys
care about is (FIRST) getting to a NFC Conference finals, which Prescott, nor Romo, has ever accomplished.

Then Dallas fans could/might say, Seattle has a better team around Darnold.
Then again, I say it is about WINS and if the Seahawks have a better team, which now Demarcus Lawrence plays
for and a ProBowler, then that blame directly on the grocery shopper. He buys the groceries and hired the coaches.

Like Demarcus Ware, Mr. Lawrence and future ( or current) Dallas players must get out of Dallas if they want to even play in a NFC Conference game because Jerry's Pride will never allow this franchise to see another conference finals.
It is a business first and the players knows

So I hope Mr. Lawrence gets a chance to play in a Supwerbowl, maybe win it and down the line, sign his one day contract as a Dallas Cowboy as Mr. Ware did.
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Seattle built a solid balanced team Dak never has had that. Maybe there were a few years we were close
 
This is a ridiculos argument.

Sam Darnold would have been absolutely destroyed by this forum.

All of the posters who hate Dak would hate Darnold even more.

Dude led the entire league in turnovers.

Had a much, much better team around him.

I’ve realized Dak has not succeeded in the playoffs and I didn’t not support his last extension, but Darnold never even took a team to the playoff until he got on a loaded team on both sides of the ball.

The hypocrisy around here is just sometimes too much to bear.
 
CowboyFanInLexKy said:
As is Dak.
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Im not arguing with you or saying you're lying or anything, but do you have any links showing Dak being considered a bus driver by HOF coaches or players or even current coaches or players? Im sure there are bloggers or guys making videos from their living rooms that may say that, but do we have credible sources saying this, because I would like to see it or read it.

There's definitely nothing wrong with being a bus driver quarterback in the NFL, but i have never seen Dak referred to as a bus driver. This past season he put up top 4 quarterback production statistically, is 8th amongst all NFL quarterbacks in passes completed over 20 yards, and tied with Stafford for 1st place for passes completed over 40 yards. What bus drivers do that?

I forgot to mention that he did all that this season behind a 21st ranked offensive line.

Every season he's finished healthy, he was top 10 amongst all NFL quarterbacks by the end of those seasons.

What other bus driver quarterbacks are perennial top 10 their whole career and was able to put up top 4 production behind a 21st ranked offensive line?

Can you give me a few names of other bus driver quarterbacks with these abilities that I can compare Dak's bus driver production with?
 
MountaineerCowboy said:
Dak doesn’t think he is though.

If Dak would just accept his place, like Darnold has, the Cowboys would be so much more successful.

Dak likes his stats though.
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Well your quarterback kinda falls in that category as well and he has the same talent at receiver, a much better running back, an much better offensive line, and a better defense than Dak.

As a matter of fact, our bus driver quarterback drove us all the way back from a 21 point deficit and beat your bus driver quarterback and your quarterback was driving a better bus that was better than ours.
 
McKDaddy said:
Completely disagree. Darnold is far more talented. Dak has much more experience and risk averse.

Yes Darnold does have some "moments" & I certainly can't say for sure if he'll ever have championship mental side and poise. But if he does, he'll be dangerous.
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He’s not. If he was he’d be payed more. There’s not an nfl GM who wouldn’t take darnold career over daks
 
Kwyn said:
This is a ridiculos argument.

Sam Darnold would have been absolutely destroyed by this forum.

All of the posters who hate Dak would hate Darnold even more.

Dude led the entire league in turnovers.

Had a much, much better team around him.

I’ve realized Dak has not succeeded in the playoffs and I didn’t not support his last extension, but Darnold never even took a team to the playoff until he got on a loaded team on both sides of the ball.

The hypocrisy around here is just sometimes too much to bear.
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Facts and outcomes aren't ridiculous - worthy of ridicule. What's worthy of ridicule are BS hypotheticals and apologetics meant to prop up a PROVEN LOSER AND CHOKER.

Hypocrisy in standards and accountability is the essence of two-faced behavior.

"Dude led the league in turnovers" - Dak Apologizers

Darnold ALSO led the league in wins and LED his team to the SB. OH, he ALSO had NO TURNOVERS in the playoffs. Dak routinely throws 2nd quarter INTs in big games.
 
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