Darnold > Prescott

[DarkVader33]

Stop blaming Dak for taking the money. I guess I should cheerlead then?

Wow.

I was against paying Dak that much. But are you really gonna fault a player for taking the money? Most people would. I’m not saying to cheerlead, just put the blame where it belongs

 

[DarkVader33]

More coping, and putting words in my mouth. Nowhere did I say Dak has had elite OLs and RBs every year since 2016. Debate is over right there when you twist my words.

TheSport78:

Meanwhile, Dak Prescott has spent his entire career behind elite offensive lines, with dominant running backs, stacked receivers, a weak division, and still has not reached a Conference Title game or Super Bowl or delivered consistently in big playoff moments.

Please explain what the heck you meant by “ENTIRE CAREER” then. There is no twisting what you wrote. Dak’s first year was 2016, no?

 

[Hadenough]

put Darnold in Dallas and Dak in Seattle

No changes to the rest of the team/coaching/FO

does Darnold take DAL to the playoffs?
does Dak take SEA to the Super Bowll?

If you watched some of the throws Darnold had to make under heavy pressure you would know that Dak is not capable of doing that. He doesn’t have Darnolds mobility or will to stand in the pocket and deliver a strike while taking a shot from a charging DT.
Darnold > Dak and it’s not even close.

 

[SoupcanSam]

I was against paying Dak that much. But are you really gonna fault a player for taking the money? Most people would. I’m not saying to cheerlead, just put the blame where it belongs

Imo a more financially grounded person may take less money. Just think of all the money Dak had already made before the extension, and that's not even including his other endorsements and investments.

That's already enough for a lifetime even for some athletes. Most grounded athletes wont even spend all of that money in their lifetime.

If Dak was that kind of an athlete, he would have taken a discount to help the team, but he didn't, even after his previous financial endeavors, which makes him technically selfish.

Negotiations proved that also. We all know him and his agent went in asking for the farm, instead of wanting to leave a little on the table to benefit the team, and possibly put better players around him.

 

[GINeric]

If you watched some of the throws Darnold had to make under heavy pressure you would know that Dak is not capable of doing that. He doesn’t have Darnolds mobility or will to stand in the pocket and deliver a strike while taking a shot from a charging DT.
Darnold > Dak and it’s not even close.

If you watched some of the throws Darnold had to make under heavy pressure you would know that Dak is not capable of doing that. He doesn’t have Darnolds mobility or will to stand in the pocket and deliver a strike while taking a shot from a charging DT.
Darnold > Dak and it’s not even close.

Fair assessment and I respect your opinion, no doubt.

But again, as the previous poster asked....

Would Darnold have been able to take this Cowboys team with a 32nd ranked defense, behind a 21st ranked offensive line to the playoffs?

Darnold had an amazing year this year and also matched the energy of his number one ranked Seahawks defense to get them to the Superbowl.....

Could Darnold have had the same success carrying the Cowboys 32nd ranked defense?

 

[Ekspozed]

Well, Sam Darnold led the Seattle Seahawks to their franchise 5th NFC Conference finals. Will be his first, which makes him a better QB than Dak Prescott.

Sure, all the stats will be thrown out saying Prescott is but stats are for players contracts.
Fans --which Dallas fans are starving for-- ONLY care about ONE thing....WINS.

Then Dallas fans will say Prescott has more wins that Darnold then I say, the ONLY stats fellow starving Cowboys
care about is (FIRST) getting to a NFC Conference finals, which Prescott, nor Romo, has ever accomplished.

Then Dallas fans could/might say, Seattle has a better team around Darnold.
Then again, I say it is about WINS and if the Seahawks have a better team, which now Demarcus Lawrence plays
for and a ProBowler, then that blame directly on the grocery shopper. He buys the groceries and hired the coaches.

Like Demarcus Ware, Mr. Lawrence and future ( or current) Dallas players must get out of Dallas if they want to even play in a NFC Conference game because Jerry's Pride will never allow this franchise to see another conference finals.
It is a business first and the players knows

So I hope Mr. Lawrence gets a chance to play in a Supwerbowl, maybe win it and down the line, sign his one day contract as a Dallas Cowboy as Mr. Ware did.

Dilfee/Johnson better than any qb with 0 rings.

Plunkett/eli better than any qb with less than 2.

 

[DStar22]

Dak played good enough, stats wise, to go to a SB this year.

now give him the same offense, fix the defense and run it again.
It's not rocket science, just some money.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Dak played good enough, stats wise, to go to a SB this year.

now give him the same offense, fix the defense and run it again.
It's not rocket science, just some money.

Agreed, but the part that isnt so simple is you're now committing significantly more resources to keep that offense the same as you'll commit close to $40m extra per year just to keep Williams/Pickens. You also have a QB whose cap hit jumps an extra $24M, although a restructure is likely to bring that back down to a similar point to 2025. The other issue that gets glossed over at times is the offense kinda ran out of steam as the year went on....still some very good performances dont get me wrong, but they ended the season averaging 22ppg their last 4 games, and really played up and down ever since the Denver game. I think its fair to ask if this offense is truly elite level or just a really good unit that looked elite based on some early season dominance as teams tried to figure out the Cowboys with a new weapon to play with in George Pickens.

If we are going to go the run it back with the offense and throw whatever you can on the defensive side of the football to make that unit top 20ish instead of dead last could be a dangerous game as well as we may need to anticipate some natural regression from the offense if they don't look to upgrade anywhere, especially at the tackle spot.

 

[patrick0215]

Dak played good enough, stats wise, to go to a SB this year.

now give him the same offense, fix the defense and run it again.
It's not rocket science, just some money.

We needed him to go into Detroit this year and beat a Lions team that's let's be honest was their worst team in the last 3 years or so - that didn't happen...those are the games that he needs to put a cape on and win a shootout if needed....not have awesome stats against Washington, Giants, Jets.....

 

[GINeric]

We needed him to go into Detroit this year and beat a Lions team that's let's be honest was their worst team in the last 3 years or so - that didn't happen...those are the games that he needs to put a cape on and win a shootout if needed....not have awesome stats against Washington, Giants, Jets.....

What quarterback has a cape big enough to beat NFL teams while his own defense is ranked 32nd?

Name me any quarterback in the NFL who can overcome having the worst defense in the NFL? Quarterbacks can't go into any city and beat a team.... their TEAM goes into a city and beat the other team.

Again, this isn't boxing or golf.

Quarterbacks like Stafford and Darnold have grown into playing great football, no question. But they are both 1st round drafted quarterbacks who were drafted to start and win games immediately.

Now when they spent many years under-performing, they got excuses of bad team, or bad units on either side of the ball.

We have a quarterback who was drafted in the 4th round, expected to most likely be a backup. I understand the expectations have changed after the max contracts were signed (and rightfully so) but here's the problem....

You can't give excuses to 1st round drafted quarterbacks then tell a 4th round drafted quarterback to "put on a cape" with a 32nd ranked defense and playing behind a 21st ranked offensive line.

There isn't a quarterback alive who could have wore a cape big enough to overcome the problems we had teamwide this last season.

 

[Cowboys5217]

Can you imagine if Darnold knew going into every game he'd likely need to score 40+ points to win Dallas gave up 31 a game?

Seattle gave up 17 points a game and was #6 in defensive takeaways. Dak likely goes undefeated with that defense.

I'm glad Darnold landed in Seattle. Had he played with Dallas' defense, his career as a starter would likely be over.

Here's the myth that Dak has never had a team around him again. You guys act like 2025 is what Dak has had his whole career, and that just isn't the case. He's had top 10 defenses and league leading RBs at the same time along with 13-3 one seed and couldn't do crap with it. I'll bet Darnold would have gotten the 2016 Cowboys roster to the CCG.

 

[Cowboys5217]

If he was playing for Darnold money, possibly.

Nah, he wouldn't. It doesn't matter what you put around Dak. He just can't handle playoff defenses for 3 or 4 games in a row. Heck, not even two in a row. The problem is Dak's plateau.

 

[Cowboys5217]

Dak played good enough, stats wise, to go to a SB this year.

now give him the same offense, fix the defense and run it again.
It's not rocket science, just some money.

So what's the excuse when Dak had top 10 defenses?

 

[GINeric]

Here's the myth that Dak has never had a team around him again. You guys act like 2025 is what Dak has had his whole career, and that just isn't the case. He's had top 10 defenses and league leading RBs at the same time along with 13-3 one seed and couldn't do crap with it. I'll bet Darnold would have gotten the 2016 Cowboys roster to the CCG.

Darnold was drafted 3rd overall in the 1st round. Why didn't he elevate the Jets, Panthers, 49ers and Vikings to the levels he helped elevate the Seahawks?

On a different note, look at Jim Kelly..... 0-4 in the Superbowl. You put Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson or Nick Foles on those Bills teams, they all would've won atleast two of those Superbowls.

Now you make valid points with some of the very good teams Dak played with, but what level of coaching were running those teams? Yes we had top 10 defenses as well, but where did those top 10 defenses rank defending the opponents running game?

Oh, another thing.... did you realize up until the season before this recent one that just passed, the Cowboys led the league in penalties for 3, 4 straight seasons?

Again, tell me who the coaches were that was running the Cowboys the last ten years.... now tell me which one of the Cowboys coaches over the last ten years that were better than the Superbowl winning coaches over the last 10 years.....

Im not excusing Dak for failing to elevate to that top dog level, im just reminding you that it was more than just Dak, and more than just team talent that kept us from winning it all.

This isn't boxing or golf.

 

[G2]

Brain Worms

 

[TheSport78]

TheSport78:

Meanwhile, Dak Prescott has spent his entire career behind elite offensive lines, with dominant running backs, stacked receivers, a weak division, and still has not reached a Conference Title game or Super Bowl or delivered consistently in big playoff moments.

Please explain what the heck you meant by “ENTIRE CAREER” then. There is no twisting what you wrote. Dak’s first year was 2016, no?

I misspoke. I was generalizing that throughout his career he has HAD those more consistently compared to Romo.

 

[OGSixshooter]

I was against paying Dak that much. But are you really gonna fault a player for taking the money? Most people would. I’m not saying to cheerlead, just put the blame where it belongs

Roger that.

 

[Hadenough]

Dak played good enough, stats wise, to go to a SB this year.

now give him the same offense, fix the defense and run it again.
It's not rocket science, just some money.

Dak beat one good team and as usual it’s the division rival Eagles and they weren’t really any good. Forget the defense for a minute.
The offense didn’t play well against the Cardinals, Bears, Broncos, Chargers, Vikings, Carolina.

 

[Hadenough]

Fair assessment and I respect your opinion, no doubt.

But again, as the previous poster asked....

Would Darnold have been able to take this Cowboys team with a 32nd ranked defense, behind a 21st ranked offensive line to the playoffs?

Darnold had an amazing year this year and also matched the energy of his number one ranked Seahawks defense to get them to the Superbowl.....

Could Darnold have had the same success carrying the Cowboys 32nd ranked defense?

We have to stop throwing around the idea of could any QB of won a SB with this defense. It’s not a one season sample with Dak! It’s watching him for 10 years. Plays great against division but has a .500 record outside of division. Forget about 500 yards and 7 TDS against the Giants and Commanders in past years that is stat padding very misleading numbers.

 

[G2]

Dak beat one good team and as usual it’s the division rival Eagles and they weren’t really any good. Forget the defense for a minute.
The offense didn’t play well against the Cardinals, Bears, Broncos, Chargers, Vikings, Carolina.

Just stop, this is silly.