RustyBourneHorse
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Goodell when he saw it and created an idea to change the call to completely screw us:
Is the rule 3 feet down or 2 feet down and a football move?
Since when is 3 steps the rule?
Gene Steratore said, "Most definitely they can challenge the catch."It isn't challengable. If you don't know that, at least pay attention when the rules experts explain it in real time
Once a replay official rules incomplete pass, it cannot be challenged.You can challenge an incomplete pass
Once a replay official rules incomplete pass, it cannot be challenged.
Gene Steratore said, "Most definitely they can challenge the catch."
Two steps is as well. How is turning and taking two full steps not a football move. And the ball was under complete control. Not moving. It was a catch and a fumble. It isn’t really in question except to the morons that run the league.
The most painful reason about that call being ruled incomplete was the amazing play Neal did tossing it up to Kearse.
Because it's what he does after the 2 feet come down. Among the items considered a football move is a 3rd step (while running, theoretically). In the video, Waller never got his 3rd foot down, right?
RULE 8 FORWARD PASS, BACKWARD PASS, FUMBLE
ARTICLE 3. COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is
complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player, who is
inbounds:
(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
(c) after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take
an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.
Please show me in the NFL Rules where the wrod "Starting" as you dramatically put in quotes to try and assert you authority over all matter of the rules is. Go ahead show me - show all of us.
This is the summary although I f you like I will happily produce the rule in its entirety for you. But guess what I read it and you'll have ans easy a time finding the difference between "Starting" and "Taking" a step as you do here.
Completing a Catch | NFL Football Operations
A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player, who is inbounds:
a. secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
b. touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
c. after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.
So please show me where in the NFL Rules there is differentiation between starting to take a step and taking a step.
Once a replay official rules incomplete pass, it cannot be challenged.
Sorry bro. My bad.Do y'all not read the whole thread before chiming in? I had no idea NY had chimed in and ruled it incomplete
I was at the game and didn't find out till later. I was wrong in thinking he could challenge
Sorry bro. My bad.
Two steps is as well. How is turning and taking two full steps not a football move. And the ball was under complete control. Not moving. It was a catch and a fumble. It isn’t really in question except to the morons that run the league.
Just found video of the slo mo replay and the ball is out before the 3rd foot comes down. It's not a catch and correctly called incomplete. At 0:53 below.
The additional step is only one of several football moves listed. Turning upfield is another, which he did. Also, it states "or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.", and he certainly had time to tuck the ball away, IMO, but chose not to do so.Because it's what he does after the 2 feet come down. Among the items considered a football move is a 3rd step (while running, theoretically). In the video, Waller never got his 3rd foot down, right?
RULE 8 FORWARD PASS, BACKWARD PASS, FUMBLE
ARTICLE 3. COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is
complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player, who is
inbounds:
(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
(c) after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take
an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.
There were many, many, many bad calls but the Waller fumble that was called an incomplete pass was as bad as the Dez catch/no catch. Waller had the ball and was heading up the field when Jayron Kearse knocked that ball out of his hand.