David Helman: Dak winning league MVP isn't far-fetched

[GimmeTheBall!]

Be nice ........LOL

Seriously, I can see him having a career year with fewer career stats and Jerry paying him top 3 $$$$$. In other words, ALL ducks are lined up for this to be a huge year for him.




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Why Cowboys QB Dak Prescott winning league MVP isn’t so far-fetched​

Published Jun. 22, 2023 1:43 p.m. ET
What exactly would a Dak Prescott candidacy for NFL MVP look like?

I can feel the question sparking a social media meltdown already, but I'll press on. After all, it's mid-June and this is the time for idle speculation. The topic is in the news cycle already, as NFL.com's Adam Schein listed Prescott as a top dark horse candidate to win this year's award.

Prescott has the benefit of being the starting quarterback for the one team that's guaranteed to be in the headlines regardless of its record. But, as evidenced by the past 30 years, that's not enough on its own. Emmitt Smith is the only Cowboy to win the AP's NFL MVP, all the way back in 1993 when the team's '90s dynasty was at its peak.

What would it take for Dak to buck that trend? Honestly, not all that much more than we've already seen from him.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds058]

Lol, 3,2, 1.

 

[shabazz]

I don’t care if he’s statistically the worst Qb in the regular season……get us to that SB and that’s what counts

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

MVP award is partly based on reputation of a player. Dak lacks it.
After 7 years, he is what he is.
.
I guess he could win the most improved player.

MVP candidates are about reputation? Huh?

 

[Shane612]

MVP candidates are about reputation? Huh?

Yes.
It's part of it.

 

[Kwyn]

So you have already decided how our season will end? Guess you moved on to 2024 huh

There are plenty of “fans” who want to perpetually “tear it down”. They enjoy the fantasy they create in their heads about what “could be” and then when things don’t go perfectly, they want to tear it down and start over again.

It’s easier than being a regular fan.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yes.
It's part of it.

What reputation did Jalen Hurts have last year?

 

[Rockport]

He was not an All Pro even at his peak, which unfortunately was his rookie season. Typically players descend in ability the longer they play. It is just an fact, particularly when they are in the same team. If he suddenly turns around and produces an All Pro season, it would be quite remarkable.

Most players improve the first parts of their careers. It is just a fact.

 

[Shane612]

What reputation did Jalen Hurts have last year?

He was always much more dynamic player than Dak. That was obvious. And he took his team to the Superbowl.
.
Your points moot anyway. Dak would have leap frog too many players to even be considered.

 

[Gator88]

So ... conspiracy then. Got it. But, but the media though..... Apparently, they loved them some Murray. Lol.

Hundreds more yards, more TDs and almost half the INTs but it was a screw job. Okay.

I'm not the one that is holding up media votes as some sort of objective measurement.

Hundreds more yards, 4 more TDs, 4 fewer interceptions but still somehow trails in passer rating despite that stat heavily weighing touchdowns and interceptions. Also trails in QBR, y/a, td%, and record, as well as most other non counting stats. Glad to see some seasons that stats aren't considered by voters, but they are still unbiased.

 

[Gator88]

Back to the point of this thread, while Dak doesn't get nearly the same grief from the media that Romo did, it is still extremely unlikely that he wins an MVP. He would need to blow the competition out of the water simply because he is on the Cowboys.

 

[MarcusRock]

I'm not the one that is holding up media votes as some sort of objective measurement.

Hundreds more yards, 4 more TDs, 4 fewer interceptions but still somehow trails in passer rating despite that stat heavily weighing touchdowns and interceptions. Also trails in QBR, y/a, td%, and record, as well as most other non counting stats. Glad to see some seasons that stats aren't considered by voters, but they are still unbiased.

The votes are THE measurement because they happened. But "narrative" was your claim, hence the whiny "hey, no fair!" conspiracy garbage when you can't overcome reality. When they call it the Most Efficient Player award, then you can trot out your fringe stats to make a claim, but as for the MAJOR stats, they all favored the guy that won it. Be sure to keep your "narrative" card for the first time we get called for holding in a game. Lol.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

He was always much more dynamic player than Dak. That was obvious. And he took his team to the Superbowl.
.
Your points moot anyway. Dak would have leap frog too many players to even be considered.

There’s no point I’m just trying to understand your logic. MVP is reputation based but Hurts reputation before last year was he couldn’t throw lol. Now you’re revising history because nobody considered Hurts to be “dynamic” prior to last season.

 

[gimmesix]

So if he got Murray's votes he'd still be 3rd at 4 votes to Watt's 13 and Rodgers' 31. But I gather you're saying that Murray not looming as large would put more focus on Romo as the catalyst for that season although a strong case can be made that Murray's year is what allowed Romo to be so efficient in the first place. So Murray not looming as large might have led to less efficient stats as was the case for Romo in just about all of his other seasons. Heck, the only other time he ever led the NFL in anything before 2014 was in INTs just 2 years prior. And Rodgers had better TDs, Yards, and INTs. Those are the major categories, hence the results. It was a good campaign from Romo but MVP was not close and the votes reflected that.

Yeah, the strong case concerning Murray is why Romo didn't fare better. But a case can be made and has that his better categories were just as important or even more important than Rodgers'. It's neither here nor there. It didn't happen, so no reason to continue pursuing this conversation. The only thing it really shows is whether Dak can win MVP isn't just dependent on his numbers. Even if he has a great year, someone else might have one that some deem to be better.

 

[Shane612]

There’s no point I’m just trying to understand your logic. MVP is reputation based but Hurts reputation before last year was he couldn’t throw lol. Now you’re revising history because nobody considered Hurts to be “dynamic” prior to last season.

Like it or not, reputation is a PART of it.
Hurts being winner up in the Heisman is part of his resume.
You need to go back and learn what he did in Oklahoma.

 

[MarcusRock]

Yeah, the strong case concerning Murray is why Romo didn't fare better. But a case can be made and has that his better categories were just as important or even more important than Rodgers'. It's neither here nor there. It didn't happen, so no reason to continue pursuing this conversation. The only thing it really shows is whether Dak can win MVP isn't just dependent on his numbers. Even if he has a great year, someone else might have one that some deem to be better.

The numbers will be a big factor though, along with how good the team fared and achieved under his leadership. Romo leading the team to the #1 seed would have gotten him more votes, but so too Murray with his franchise-setting performance. Even moreso since the #1 seed wasn't expected of Dallas then, just like it's not expected this year. It would definitely boost Dak's chances were he to do that. But the major numbers matter as a given before all that.

 

[Shane612]

Listen to these laughable cry babies. LOL

"Another playoff failure"

Just a few years ago those trolls were crying about how bad Dak sucked that he couldn't win games. Now were winning 12 games a year and they are crying about not making it to the SB.

Isn't SB what Cowboys are about?
It's been almost 28 years.

 

[Shane612]

I love it when people claim Prescott was in the running for MVP after 4-5 games...shoot so was Ryan Fitzmagic!

I was even par after several holes several times.
I was even under par after 5 hole a few times.

 

[gtb1943]

So ... conspiracy then. Got it. But, but the media though..... Apparently, they loved them some Murray. Lol.

Hundreds more yards, more TDs and almost half the INTs but it was a screw job. Okay.

Yawn. You would not know a screw job if you had a nut for a cap.

 

[Gator88]

The votes are THE measurement because they happened. But "narrative" was your claim, hence the whiny "hey, no fair!" conspiracy garbage when you can't overcome reality. When they call it the Most Efficient Player award, then you can trot out your fringe stats to make a claim, but as for the MAJOR stats, they all favored the guy that won it. Be sure to keep your "narrative" card for the first time we get called for holding in a game. Lol.

Ignoring the huge factor that narrative plays in the MVP vote and then acting like you are objective is absolutely hilarious.

I didn't realize that stats like passer rating and QBR were fringe stats, are we living in the 80s?

If you are just going to look at flat touchdowns and yards as the only stats worth considering, it's honestly not worth discussing further.