News: DC: Sham: Don’t Jump Off Just Yet; Season Is Still New, So Let’s Take A Longer View

[Toruk_Makto]

Your research question is to limited. Try again

YOu asked if JG could turn a 2-4 into one with a winnign record. I told you that Yes Garrett twice in the last 3 years has won 7 games in 10 matches. So the answer is yes he can.

I then asked you how often that happens. We await your research.

 

[Idgit]

Thats limited as heck..lol.

How about Coughlin taking a 9-7 squad to tje super bowl

We have seen some coaches right a bad ship. Last year people were saying Aaron and the packers were done, he righted that ship quickly. Pederson and Gruden both have their teams doing ok. So we can see progress in franchises and we have seen some coaches right their ships in time.

Can we honestly say JG has done the same?

His first year as HC he took a 1-7 team to 5-3.

But that of course presupposes the 2-2 ship is in need of righting. It's more likely we tread water and then improve as the defense gets reps, we get our suspended/injured starters back and the OL figures out whatever the hell is ailing them.

 

[ShiningStar]

His first year as HC he took a 1-7 team to 5-3.

But that of course presupposes the 2-2 ship is in need of righting. It's more likely we tread water and then improve as the defense gets reps, we get our suspended/injured starters back and the OL figures out whatever the hell is ailing them.

That also wasnt a full season, thats why i call it a game with you. Its always a pitfall. No his first year does not count. And you stated a 2-2 team


The rest, ok we ll see.

 

[gmoney112]

His first year as HC he took a 1-7 team to 5-3.

But that of course presupposes the 2-2 ship is in need of righting. It's more likely we tread water and then improve as the defense gets reps, we get our suspended/injured starters back and the OL figures out whatever the hell is ailing them.

You know nothing you say is going to make him say, "Oh, that's a valid point. I didn't see it before, but I admit I may have judged prematurely."

It's going to be more like, "lol.. Jason is a turd"

U must be tired in your retirement u old fart

 

[Idgit]

That also wasnt a full season, thats why i call it a game with you. Its always a pitfall. No his first year does not count. And you stated a 2-2 team

The rest, ok we ll see.

Then your point boils down to 'he wasn't able to right the team in 2015.' Fine. Happy to concede that as it's obviously true.

It's also irrelevant, since we all understand what the actual issues were with the 2015 team. Beyond that, if you don't count the job he did righting the ship in 2010 (which you 100% should count as an example of what you were asking for since it being a partial season is completely irrelevant to his ability to do what you were asking about, and he even did it with Romo on the bench, which makes it more impressive), then you're looking at a guy who's had seasons of 12-4, 13-3, and three seasons of 8-8. There's been nothing in need of 'righting' the rest of the time he's been a HC. Because he generally does a good job.

 

[Idgit]

You know nothing you say is going to make him say, "Oh, that's a valid point. I didn't see it before, but I admit I may have judged prematurely."

It's going to be more like, "lol.. Jason is a turd"

U must be tired in your retirement u old fart

It's like you're living 2 minutes in the future and the rest of us are in real-time.

 

[ShiningStar]

Then your point boils down to 'he wasn't able to right the team in 2015.' Fine. Happy to concede that as it's obviously true.

It's also irrelevant, since we all understand what the actual issues were with the 2015 team. Beyond that, if you don't count the job he did righting the ship in 2010 (which you 100% should count as an example of what you were asking for since it being a partial season is completely irrelevant to his ability to do what you were asking about, and he even did it with Romo on the bench, which makes it more impressive), then you're looking at a guy who's had seasons of 12-4, 13-3, and three seasons of 8-8. There's been nothing in need of 'righting' the rest of the time he's been a HC. Because he generally does a good job.

most of this i was going to agree with. the very last part is where you went wrong.


https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/GarrJa0.htm

he is right on the JAG mark. 2 good seasons does not make for 3 .500 seasons and 1 bad season. no, not acceptable for a good job.

 

[haleyrules]

Garrett is just an excuse for a HC...He is in Dallas only because ole Jerry boy wants him here...so he can pretend to be a great football man that " developed" a SB winning HC...What a hoot.

 

[ShiningStar]

Garrett is just an excuse for a HC...He is in Dallas only because ole Jerry boy wants him here...so he can pretend to be a great football man that " developed" a SB winning HC...What a hoot.

10 more seasons to go, its a process.

 

[gmoney112]

It's like you're living 2 minutes in the future and the rest of us are in real-time.

I knew you'd say that.

 

[Idgit]

most of this i was going to agree with. the very last part is where you went wrong.


https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/GarrJa0.htm

he is right on the JAG mark. 2 good seasons does not make for 3 .500 seasons and 1 bad season. no, not acceptable for a good job.

It all depends on the quality of the team under him. Taking over a 1-7 team in need of a roster rebuild and in relatively poor cap position and going 29-27 with it the next three years while rebuilding the roster, getting the cap right (in the face of the new CBA and the $10MM cap penalty for the Austin contract), establishing one of the better drafting records in the league during that span, and going 12-4 and 13-3 in a three year span is pretty good work on the organization's part.

The fans that don't like it seem to think some of those 8-8 teams were a lot better than their records indicate, but I've yet to find many who want to go out on a limb as to which rosters were really so much better than mediocre. Especially when you start digging into those franchise-worst defenses in 2012-2013.

 

[haleyrules]

It all depends on the quality of the team under him. Taking over a 1-7 team in need of a roster rebuild and in relatively poor cap position and going 29-27 with it the next three years while rebuilding the roster, getting the cap right (in the face of the new CBA and the $10MM cap penalty for the Austin contract), establishing one of the better drafting records in the league during that span, and going 12-4 and 13-3 in a three year span is pretty good work on the organization's part.

The fans that don't like it seem to think some of those 8-8 teams were a lot better than their records indicate, but I've yet to find many who want to go out on a limb as to which rosters were really so much better than mediocre. Especially when you start digging into those franchise-worst defenses in 2012-2013.

 

[haleyrules]

We must love Idgit. He is die hard. That's worth something.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Guys. The sky is falling and then the ship is sinking. Get yo life jackets and parachutes ready! It's about to STUPID up in here!

 

[ShiningStar]

It all depends on the quality of the team under him. Taking over a 1-7 team in need of a roster rebuild and in relatively poor cap position and going 29-27 with it the next three years while rebuilding the roster, getting the cap right (in the face of the new CBA and the $10MM cap penalty for the Austin contract), establishing one of the better drafting records in the league during that span, and going 12-4 and 13-3 in a three year span is pretty good work on the organization's part.

The fans that don't like it seem to think some of those 8-8 teams were a lot better than their records indicate, but I've yet to find many who want to go out on a limb as to which rosters were really so much better than mediocre. Especially when you start digging into those franchise-worst defenses in 2012-2013.

and the best part is, those factors are not taking into account. You ll never see an asterik next to the record and than the telling of all the things the coaches had to over come. only wins and losses matter. JG is totally in the JAG mark. I dont even care if you factor in the weather, ticket sales, jersey sales, or even parked cars in the stadium. The only thing that matters is the record. The rest goes with the job.

But do remind us, was Will Clays promotion due to JG? just curious who gets credit for that. I also believe Stephen is in charge of the cap. So that will take away two of your points. THan if you wnt you can use the "he swtiched from styroform to plastic cups" defense. or the "heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey its not like Phillips did better" defense" or everyones personal favorite "he has to deal with Jerry" defense. Feel free to use them all if need be, but at the end of the year, only the wins and losses matter. No asteriks.