Dean Blandino on Micah holds

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I did not say anything about context. And you are turning it into something else which means nothing. Because you think you are always right about the refs. When you are not.
You're right. You didn't say anything about context, I did. That's how the "we're outraged" thing works. Focus on a number someone says you should be outraged about and then keep up the outrage for them even if asked about why something should be an outrage at all. So when you scoffed, I asked if you had answers to my questions or not. You gave a long-winded "no." Okay then. Lol.
 

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I just don’t understand why nfl referees are above having their integrity questioned.

They’re humans like everyone else. But we can’t question their motives when they make mistakes and do a piss poor job?

Again not saying leaguewide conspiracy but on an individual basis.

Especially when they already threw a leaguewide tantrum over a rule change and colluded to get the rule change squashed. But we are supposed to just believe that deep down in their hearts they truly care about the integrity of the game. LMAO come on
 

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If the refs made that determination on this play, it’s a very poor decision on their part.

Again, an example of poor officiating overall.

We can discuss the various reasons for why the officiating is poor and we are. But this is just more evidence that the officiating overall sucks and the NFL needs to keep working to improve it.
I always say that reffing is poor. But it has to be. 7 refs can't accurately keep an eye on 11 matchups. But it sucks for ALL teams, not just ours.
 

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It's just crazy how they don't see the other teams holding but see our offensive line hold. Make it make sense. Our offensive line is tied with the most holding calls in the NFL.

Look at this Holding Calls Link

We get called for holding 3x more than the Eagles offensive line. That's crazy. We have 25 holding calls. The Eagles has a league best with only 7 holding calls.
 

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Don't know. He's hardly the only fast rusher there's been out there so it's not like refs haven't seen someone similar. Again, at the end of your post, why is how long he's gone an issue if we don't know that he's (or other top pass rushers) actually had even longer streaks in his career?
Why would how long he's gone without drawing a call not be an issue if there are multiple times holding could have been called? Whether he or other top pass rushers have had similar or longer streaks in their career is not any kind of validation for holding to not be called.
 

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I always say that reffing is poor. But it has to be. 7 refs can't accurately keep an eye on 11 matchups. But it sucks for ALL teams, not just ours.
No argument there. I agree it’s not an anti cowboys thing.

It’s a refs are human and humans can’t be trusted to be perfect, have the best intentions or best judgment at all times.

And it’s possible some of them can affected by their own personal bias at times too.
 

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Yes it’s a red herring. Micah is either being held, uncalled, during this last stretch of games or he isn’t.

Numbers and overall historic trends don’t matter when you can just look at the tape and watch the games.

Micah is getting held a frequently and it hasn’t been called in 11 games. Thats a fact. Regardless if historical trends. Dean Blandino admits as much but is clear to point out “it’s not intentional”
No, it's not a fact. Like I said, I've seen maybe 4 videos and a bunch of still shots. That's not "frequently." If people say he's being held "frequently" or on "almost every play" what percent of his pass rush attempts does that equal? Is 1 missed call out of 100 attempts deemed significant? Are there 7 per game, 10 per game? But then I shouldn't be asking for numbers or is it proper to ask in this case?
 

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No, it's not a fact. Like I said, I've seen maybe 4 videos and a bunch of still shots. That's not "frequently." If people say he's being held "frequently" or on "almost every play" what percent of his pass rush attempts does that equal? Is 1 missed call out of 100 attempts deemed significant? Are there 7 per game, 10 per game? But then I shouldn't be asking for numbers or is it proper to ask in this case?
Ok remove the word frequently. If we use the word frequently it’s fair to question the numbers. So I’ll give ya that.

But also The refs have missed holding calls over the last 11 games. That is a fact and Blandino admits it. It’s frustrating fans and I feel fans have a right to be frustrated by it.

And the excuses of “he does a good job of fighting through “attempted” holds and “it’s not intentional” does nothing to make me less frustrated by it.
 

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Why would how long he's gone without drawing a call not be an issue if there are multiple times holding could have been called? Whether he or other top pass rushers have had similar or longer streaks in their career is not any kind of validation for holding to not be called.
You know why. Because it's being touted as "intentional." And if that's the accusation, then how would one go about giving support to their argument that Micah is treated differently than every other top pass rusher out there? Do pressures always equal more sacks? When Anthony Spencer was nicknamed "almost Anthony" for getting pressures with no sacks, did we ask if CONSPIRACY! was at play there too? I don't remember it. So if one puts that out there, it's cool to just let it stand without anything to back it up? I mean more than 4 videos.
 

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I just don’t understand why nfl referees are above having their integrity questioned.

They’re humans like everyone else. But we can’t question their motives when they make mistakes and do a piss poor job?

Again not saying leaguewide conspiracy but on an individual basis.

Especially when they already threw a leaguewide tantrum over a rule change and colluded to get the rule change squashed. But we are supposed to just believe that deep down in their hearts they truly care about the integrity of the game. LMAO come on
For motive and bias, you'd have to see inside their heads. The problem is, we only pay attention to when that particular ref draws our team in their rotation. We see each ref crew once a year, sometimes twice so if we use logic, they stash their bias for at least 15 other games and then unload once they draw us, unless they have multiple biases to wait to unload on multiple teams. That is a hard bar to prove.

No argument on that PI thing. They did appear to not want anything to do with that change but I forget whether New York was involved in that challenge system.
 

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You know why. Because it's being touted as "intentional." And if that's the accusation, then how would one go about giving support to their argument that Micah is treated differently than every other top pass rusher out there? Do pressures always equal more sacks? When Anthony Spencer was nicknamed "almost Anthony" for getting pressures with no sacks, did we ask if CONSPIRACY! was at play there too? I don't remember it. So if one puts that out there, it's cool to just let it stand without anything to back it up? I mean more than 4 videos.
Just because some fans are saying it is intentional does not mean that most fans are. The fact that he has gone this long without drawing a holding penalty for me just emphasizes that the officials are doing a poor job of recognizing or acknowledging when he is held. I don't know the reason for that, but it needs to change. If other top pass rushers are having similar issues, it needs to change for them, too. Holding is subjective, but it doesn't need to be subjectively different for each player.

You are up on a hill fighting a conspiracy battle that does not matter to most of us. What we care about is there are multiple holding calls involving Parsons that have not been called (and there is evidence to support that) and the fact that he has not gotten a call in 46 quarters emphasizes that that is a problem.

If your mission is to counter the conspiracy crowd, good luck with that. I believe it is better to just discuss the facts, and 46 quarters without a call is a fact.
 

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Just because some fans are saying it is intentional does not mean that most fans are. The fact that he has gone this long without drawing a holding penalty for me just emphasizes that the officials are doing a poor job of recognizing or acknowledging when he is held. I don't know the reason for that, but it needs to change. If other top pass rushers are having similar issues, it needs to change for them, too. Holding is subjective, but it doesn't need to be subjectively different for each player.

You are up on a hill fighting a conspiracy battle that does not matter to most of us. What we care about is there are multiple holding calls involving Parsons that have not been called (and there is evidence to support that) and the fact that he has not gotten a call in 46 quarters emphasizes that that is a problem.

If your mission is to counter the conspiracy crowd, good luck with that. I believe it is better to just discuss the facts, and 46 quarters without a call is a fact.
Fair enough and good summary.
 

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For motive and bias, you'd have to see inside their heads. The problem is, we only pay attention to when that particular ref draws our team in their rotation. We see each ref crew once a year, sometimes twice so if we use logic, they stash their bias for at least 15 other games and then unload once they draw us, unless they have multiple biases to wait to unload on multiple teams. That is a hard bar to prove.

No argument on that PI thing. They did appear to not want anything to do with that change but I forget whether New York was involved in that challenge system.
If I recall correctly the head official on the field had the final authority on the calls. But, I could be wrong. There just going off memory.
 

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I agree with Blandino to an extent. The more you fight through holds, the less officials will notice them. However, you can't just give up fighting so the holding call will be made because there's a good chance the officials still won't call it. It needs to just be continually harped on until the officials get it. Not by Micah but by the media, by the team, etc.
Micah could revert to the old tried and true way to get the calls....he could do the FLOP!
 
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