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smarta5150

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And people wanna get rid of him.

The kid deserves this year to show us he is the starter for years to come.
 

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Where did that Julius Jones go?

and JJ really needs to use Emmit's favorite weapon more.........the Stiff Arm
 

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smarta you should add to your sig "leave JJ alone" too or to that silence the critics portion
 

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the kid 05;1427550 said:
smarta you should add to your sig "leave JJ alone" too or to that silence the critics portion

I would but I am more of a neutral party with all the JJ talk.

I dont think JJ is definitely our guy for the future years but I also think its unfair to judge him based on this previous season due to a couple factors (our oline performance and our coaching). But this year will make or break my neutral status.
 

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For the eight millionth time Jones average after 14 carries is 3.5 yards. When he is used correctly he truly is an explosive player but what he is not is durable.

Im not saying get rid of him but feeding him the ball more is not the answer. Limit his carries to 10 a game and he will be lights out in the carries he gets. Give him 20 and he gets hurt and misses a lot of time or gets dinged like last year and loses effectiveness.

i know it would be great if he could maintain that with 300 carries in a year but it just isnt going to happen.
 

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RB's generally become more effective the more they carry the ball, and late in games. JJ isnt getting enough carries to fully maximize his talent in my personal opinion.

I think his injuries were more fluke than anything, and if he is given the chance to carry the load (not a heavy one mind you, as I do like MBIII and what he brings to the table) I think he will do very well next year. I like the way our offense was last year, and I am buying into a Garrett/Sporano offense.
 

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You people make me feel like im taking crazy pills.

[size=+3]Jones average for carries 15+ in a game was 3.5 yards[/size]

All of last season in all those 100 yard games he had that make you think he needs the ball more he was AWFUL after 15 carries. He either gets hot early or not at all.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1427599 said:
You people make me feel like im taking crazy pills.

[size=+3]Jones average for carries 15+ in a game was 3.5 yards[/size]

All of last season in all those 100 yard games he had that make you think he needs the ball more he was AWFUL after 15 carries. He either gets hot early or not at all.

Who's to say what pills you're taking. I don't remember Jones being awful at any point last year.

I think a lot of people remember that 3 game stretch in 2004 where Jones was averaging almost 30 carries/game and looked to be on track to be the next superstar NFL back.
 

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Idgit;1427610 said:
Who's to say what pills you're taking. I don't remember Jones being awful at any point last year.

I think a lot of people remember that 3 game stretch in 2004 where Jones was averaging almost 30 carries/game and looked to be on track to be the next superstar NFL back.

Well then you wrent watching the second half of the season last year. The 2nd game against NY comes to mind where his running into piles was at its best.

People look at the second half stat lines and see he got less carries and thaink that was the difference when in truth when he got more carries ie over 15 then he was an abysmal 3.5 YPC.

And as for 2004 he got hurt after carrying the ball that much. Also for carries after 15 that year he had 87 rushes for 409 yards which you might notice is 3.5 YPC. If you think that he gets better as he gets more carries then you do not know what you are talking about.
 

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dargonking999;1427531 said:
I want you to downlaod this video to a cD, call JJ in, and give it to him, and tell him to forget the last two years, and be wat he was in this video


http://www.bnbathletics.com/cowboysvids/site/topdl/download.pl?file=juliusjones-hotstepper.wmv
Tell him this is wat the team needs, and that he will get 20+ carries a game :D

It's moronic to watch a highlight film of someone and base an opinion solely on that highlight film.

I could make a highlight film of Troy Freakin' Hambrick that would knock your socks off. And we all know he sucked.
 

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You people make me feel like im taking crazy pills.

Jones average for carries 15+ in a game was 3.5 yards

All of last season in all those 100 yard games he had that make you think he needs the ball more he was AWFUL after 15 carries. He either gets hot early or not at all.

:hammer:
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1427611 said:
Well then you wrent watching the second half of the season last year. The 2nd game against NY comes to mind where his running into piles was at its best.

People look at the second half stat lines and see he got less carries and thaink that was the difference when in truth when he got more carries ie over 15 then he was an abysmal 3.5 YPC.

And as for 2004 he got hurt after carrying the ball that much. Also for carries after 15 that year he had 87 rushes for 409 yards which you might notice is 3.5 YPC. If you think that he gets better as he gets more carries then you do not know what you are talking about.

Re: 2004. Week 11, 12, and 13 he had 30, 33, and 30 carries respectively. He had 81, 150, and 198 yards, respectively, and 5 TDs during that time. The 81 yard/0 TD effort was vs. Bal. Perhaps I'm the one who doesn't know what I'm talking about, but you're the one saying he got hurt after those games when he did not.

In any event, what I'm saying is that I think people who think Jones should have more rushes, not fewer, are probably remembering that spurt of games and coming to that conclusion.

As far as your 3.5 ypc for carries after 15/game or whatever it is you're calc'ing, it's not clear to me how you're doing your math, so I'll leave off except to say that with the exception of the Saints game, his highest avgs and longest runs in 2006 tended to come in games when he got more carries. I don't have a good theory as to why his productivity dropped dramatically at the end of the year. I do know that Barber was clearly running better at that point of the season, though, and earned every one of his increased touches.
 

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While we're at it, have Wade make the O-line block every time like they did in most of those clips.
 

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TonyS;1427625 said:
While we're at it, have Wade make the O-line block every time like they did in most of those clips.

I was just about to say the same thing JJ has running lanes cutback options and a lead blocker on all plays that werent draws in that highlight reel. The line last year very rarely provided that sort of room and we hardley ever had a lead blocker out there. I think we will see a lot more lead blocking this year and I expect my sig to come true.

At the minute mark on the reel JJ goes down under less than an arm tackle because he thinks hes guna get hit, he seems to have done that a lot more last season, doesnt seem to have as much confidence in his moves, maybe due to BP maybe not guess we will find out this year.

Oh and yes I still want MBIII to get his carries.
 

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Idgit;1427618 said:
Re: 2004. Week 11, 12, and 13 he had 30, 33, and 30 carries respectively. He had 81, 150, and 198 yards, respectively, and 5 TDs during that time. The 81 yard/0 TD effort was vs. Bal. Perhaps I'm the one who doesn't know what I'm talking about, but you're the one saying he got hurt after those games when he did not.

In any event, what I'm saying is that I think people who think Jones should have more rushes, not fewer, are probably remembering that spurt of games and coming to that conclusion.

As far as your 3.5 ypc for carries after 15/game or whatever it is you're calc'ing, it's not clear to me how you're doing your math, so I'll leave off except to say that with the exception of the Saints game, his highest avgs and longest runs in 2006 tended to come in games when he got more carries. I don't have a good theory as to why his productivity dropped dramatically at the end of the year. I do know that Barber was clearly running better at that point of the season, though, and earned every one of his increased touches.

And in those games the runs he had after the 15th were awful. this was 2004 just becasue he had a lot of carries those games does not mean he was effective in the latter parts. thats what ive been trying to say yet you repeat the same drivel. 30 carries 150 yards does not mean that the carries 15+ were good it just means that some of the carries were good. Those carries were the first 15.

Look at his splits for his career. He YPC are crap after he has carried the ball 15 times. That includes all those games you keep repeating. What was ahppening was he got hot early and so they continued feeding him the ball not he got the ball early and got hot late. his splits show it in true colors. they should not have continued because he wasnt good after the 15th carry.
 

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Julius Jones games splits:

ATTEMPTS 1-THROUGH-10 - 160 Att for 635 Yards 4.0YPC
ATTEMPTS 11-THROUGH-20 - 90 Att for 400 Yards 4.3YPC
ATTEMPTS 21-THROUGH-30 - 17 Att for 49 Yards 2.9YPC

Those splits shoot a hole in your "He gets hot early, or not at all" argument seeing how carries 11-20 are his best. If he was so hot early, wouldn't 1-10 be his best?

Edit: I'll add another...

1st Half - 151 Att for 618 Yards 4.1YPC
2nd Half - 116 Att for 466 Yards 4.0YPC

Man, he sure is a lot hotter early in games.
 

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87 carries.
409 yds
4.7 yds per carry.
Your math is as fuzzy as your logic.
 

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adamc91115;1427639 said:
Julius Jones games splits:

ATTEMPTS 1-THROUGH-10 - 160 Att for 635 Yards 4.0YPC
ATTEMPTS 11-THROUGH-20 - 90 Att for 400 Yards 4.3YPC
ATTEMPTS 21-THROUGH-30 - 17 Att for 49 Yards 2.9YPC

Those splits shoot a hole in your "He gets hot early, or not at all" argument seeing how carries 11-20 are his best. If he was so hot early, wouldn't 1-10 be his best?

Those don't really refute what he said, though. He set the cut-off at 13 carries, and while I don't know if that is true, I know that when he gets more than 15 carries his ypc drops sharply, at 53 carries for 184 yards and 3.5 yards per carry. It also appears, looking at his splits, that he wears down as the halves go along, since his ypc in the 2nd and 4th quarters decline dramatically.
 
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