Dear Wade Philips

[TheProphet]

You are letting your hate for J.J cloud your reading skills... He was obviously referring to Troy Hambrick and his games against the Commanders that year where he almost had 200 that game.

I don't hate JJ, he is what he is...a middling RB. These are the facts, supported by his stats. 27th in the league in YPC. I'm just not emotionally attached to him like so many around here.
I enjoyed the video clip the original poster provided us, but JJ is not a feature back. Comparing him to guys like ES and TD is just plain foolishness. We need to start looking for his replacement now.

 

[burmafrd]

Gee, interesting how certain facts are ignored by NYC, FUzzy, Prophet and company. Depending on the year, LT's YPC average STANK at 16-20, 21-25, or 26-30. So your stats - which by the way I countered showing JJ doing well in other years at carries 16-20 and 21-25 just totally destroys their arguement- are as usual cherry picked.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Gee, interesting how certain facts are ignored by NYC, FUzzy, Prophet and company. Depending on the year, LT's YPC average STANK at 16-20, 21-25, or 26-30. So your stats - which by the way I countered showing JJ doing well in other years at carries 16-20 and 21-25 just totally destroys their arguement- are as usual cherry picked.

Check the facts in the video attached to this thread. If he is touched he goes down. NEXT.

 

[TheProphet]

Gee, interesting how certain facts are ignored by NYC, FUzzy, Prophet and company. Depending on the year, LT's YPC average STANK at 16-20, 21-25, or 26-30. So your stats - which by the way I countered showing JJ doing well in other years at carries 16-20 and 21-25 just totally destroys their arguement- are as usual cherry picked.

Okay, I see...JuJones is just as good as LT because of the YPC average comparison you make. Right? LOL.
You guys who love JuJones, would never spin the facts to support your position, now would you?

Sorry, I'm just callin' like I see 'em. Let some other team patiently wait for that "breakout" year that we have been promised.

 

[burmafrd]

You are the ones using stats to claim JJ is no good. I am using the SAME stats that show BY YOUR reasoning that LT should also be considered no good.
By the way:
LTs YPC for his entire career at carries 16-20 and 21-25 starting in 2001

4.0, 2.4
4.7, 3.7
4.9, 5.0
3.5, 3.1
4.0, 7.3
6.1, 3.5
Interesting, isn't it?
In only ONE YEAR were his YPC for carries above 15 really good.

 

[TheProphet]

You are the ones using stats to claim JJ is no good. I am using the SAME stats that show BY YOUR reasoning that LT should also be considered no good.
By the way:
LTs YPC for his entire career at carries 16-20 and 21-25 starting in 2001

4.0, 2.4
4.7, 3.7
4.9, 5.0
3.5, 3.1
4.0, 7.3
6.1, 3.5
Interesting, isn't it?
In only ONE YEAR were his YPC for carries above 15 really good.

Whatever. Bottom line is JJ's overall YPC stat (prior to disecting it as you are doing) is 27th in the league.
JJ is no TL. JJ is no TD. JJ is no ES. Period. Next.

 

[TheProphet]

Check the facts in the video attached to this thread. If he is touched he goes down. NEXT.

Very perceptive and astute observation. He is no tackle breaker that is for sure.

 

[Idgit]

And in those games the runs he had after the 15th were awful. this was 2004 just becasue he had a lot of carries those games does not mean he was effective in the latter parts. thats what ive been trying to say yet you repeat the same drivel. 30 carries 150 yards does not mean that the carries 15+ were good it just means that some of the carries were good. Those carries were the first 15.

Look at his splits for his career. He YPC are crap after he has carried the ball 15 times. That includes all those games you keep repeating. What was ahppening was he got hot early and so they continued feeding him the ball not he got the ball early and got hot late. his splits show it in true colors. they should not have continued because he wasnt good after the 15th carry.

Just because you say things often and loudly, it doesn't make you right. I'm not pointing to 2004 and saying that we should give the ball to Julius 30 times and we'll have the 2004 back yet. I'm only saying that that stretch gave a lot of Julius fans the idea that he can and should handle a 30 carry load.

Burmfrd's done a nice job of pointing out that you're looking at a subset of a RBs statistics and probably coming to a wrong conclusion. There are reasons why ypc might go down dramatically at the end of each half that are entirely dependent on game situations and the defenses being played and have nothing to do with a back wearing out. There *is* such a thing as a good 2 yard carry.

If I can get 30 carries for 150 yards in a game, I'm not too sure I'm concerned with the average after 15 carries anyway.

 

[burmafrd]

They are trying to use certain stats and make an invalid point. I countered by using the same stats they use to condemn JJ - and show by THEIR REASONING that LT should also be condemned. I notice it kind of shut some of the somewhat smarter ones up.

 

[philo beddoe]

Whatever. Bottom line is JJ's overall YPC stat (prior to disecting it as you are doing) is 27th in the league.
JJ is no TL. JJ is no TD. JJ is no ES. Period. Next.

Hey, brother, the Homers love Julius--you'd better watch it. LOL:

 

[juck]

Jules had an awesome way to make the first man miss everytime.

 

[Idgit]

They are trying to use certain stats and make an invalid point. I countered by using the same stats they use to condemn JJ - and show by THEIR REASONING that LT should also be condemned. I notice it kind of shut some of the somewhat smarter ones up.

Do you have a link for where you're getting the splits data?
I imagine we're seeing that effective offenses or coaches with certain philosophies end up running games out at the end, but it would be useful to see if you could tell from the data that that's what was going on.

 

[superpunk]

burm, I see your point with LT's stats, but they are really just a red herring in the argument.

The initial argument from someone was that Julius needs more carries to get back to being THAT Julius.

Fuzzy pointed out that Julius' ypc decrease as he gets more carries. In game, and through the season, that holds true, as we had to cut his carries way back to get him back to his early season ypc average. Posting LT's stats does not really prove anything, it just shows that LT is doing most of his damage early in games. As he is a GREAT back, this is acceptable.

What you've done is illustrate that even an elite back has his ypc decrease as his carries increase. What you haven't done is prove that Julius needs more carries to be more effective, which was what was being discussed in the first place, I think.

btw, Idgit, you can find splits on any website. go to your favorite browser, type in julius jones (or any player) pick a website with his stats (NFL.com, ESPN, CBSSportsline etc) and click the splits button. ESPN will break it down by year for you. Not sure about the rest.

 

[adamc91115]

I don't think anyone has yet mentioned about the playoffs...

22 for 112 5.1YPC

Based on the haters' logic, shouldn't it have been like 22 for 44 with a 2YPC since he gets so worn down?

 

[TheProphet]

I don't think anyone has yet mentioned about the playoffs...

22 for 112 5.1YPC

Based on the haters' logic, shouldn't it have been like 22 for 44 with a 2YPC since he gets so worn down?

Just what the heck is a "hater"? I can't stand that silly expression.

 

[randy932]

I was under the impression he had the three previous years...

He was not allowed to show what he could do by his head coach.

He may very well be much better without Parcells insistence on having a robot for a RB.

It will definitely be interesting to see how he does if Wade will just let him run.

 

[adamc91115]

Just what the heck is a "hater"? I can't stand that silly expression.

Sorry... Dislikers then... That work for you?

Yes, I know that not a word. But it'll do.

 

[burmafrd]

Notice he had no answer for you, Adam.

 

[philo beddoe]

He was not allowed to show what he could do by his head coach.

He may very well be much better without Parcells insistence on having a robot for a RB.

It will definitely be interesting to see how he does if Wade will just let him run.

Sure Liarboy, Parcells kept him from being a good running back. Excuse after excuse. Is it possible that he just isn't anything special? By the way, quit lying about my record on other boards. You haven't changed a bit.

 

[philo beddoe]

Sorry... Dislikers then... That work for you?

Yes, I know that not a word. But it'll do.

Is it the opposite of "homer'?