Defense Defense Defense

[casmith07]

Myself, I'd trade down enough to end up with a top DT, DE, and CB in the first two rounds.

I would go for a top CB and DE in free agency.

If Dallas truely needs the best QB in the draft, use two 1st rounders next draft.

I agree.

I think people need to start warming up to the idea of Robert Griffin in blue and silver, too.

 

[MikeT22]

Looking at these Championship games what seems to be a common theme is we need to bolster this Defense to top 5 with a murderers row of a front 7. Even with Denver's safeties out do to injury, because they had pass rush they pulled it off in the end.

Defense with emphasis on front seven that can pass rush and stop the run. Also quality QB and OL. In other words the trenches on both sides of the ball and a field general, just like always.

It's not coincidence that teams with great defensive front seven's plus great QB's win the most. Peyton, Brady or Roethlisberger have been in 14 of the last 15 SB's. Other than Peyton's Colts teams, they all had great defenses too. And the only times a team without a franchise QB has won the SB it's been due to having a dominant defense, like when the Ravens and Bucs won. And when the Giants beat the Pats both times it was mainly due to their pass rush and Eli having great playoff runs.

My priorities for our draft is QB and DL. Couple that with our OL and we'd be golden.

 

[Vinnie2u]

You could have 11 all pros on D.. But after 10 straight 3 and outs. They gonna get worn out. No QB no championship.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

I agree.

I think people need to start warming up to the idea of Johnny Manziel in blue and silver, too.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Considering the two teams going to the Super Bowl had the two best defenses, and ours was 24th, not sure about the being good enough part. Actually, we are not good enough.

It's not good enough for a offense that puts up.more than 7 points a game. For a offense that puts up 28? It is........

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I don't think you can say they are just as good. Especially in Denver's case. Carolina does have a solid O (11th overall, 1st in points - largely due to defensive turnovers and scores), but Denver is 16th in yards, and 19

I don't think you can say they are just as good. Especially in Denver's case. Carolina does have a solid O (11th overall, 1st in points - largely due to defensive turnovers and scores), but Denver is 16th in yards, and 19th in points - a bottom half offense.

Go read up on the thread about fixing the defense and get back to me...beings YOU didn't watch the winners of the AFC and NFC Division Championships yesterday, AND didn't understand what happened there.

Romo is the ticket for the Cowboys right now...period. Play with coulda, woulda, shoulda's all one wishes.

By the way, the 'Dynasty' Cowboys had TWO first round wide receivers...Irvin and Harper.

I don't care what these teams did. Everyone wants to copy what he other winners do.......what did the Packers do? What did he Giants have? The Ravens? Things change from year to year.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

He drove them down the field twice in the 4th quarter for TDs.

That great NE Defense that let RWilson go 80 yds in under a minute, to end both halfs

It was that defense that stopped Seahawks from scoring any points in the 4th quarter. Seahawks scored 0 points and sealed the victory with an interception at the goal line. Without that defense Seattle wins. ......not sure why you can't comprehend that

 

[Nightman]

It was that defense that stopped Seahawks from scoring any points in the 4th quarter. Seahawks scored 0 points and sealed the victory with an interception at the goal line. Without that defense Seattle wins. ......not sure why you can't comprehend that

because it is a load of bull

 

[Irvin88_4life]

because it is a load of bull

Ok you're right the almighty Tom Brady intercepted the ball getting the win in the process. Without Brady getting that turn over he losses............talk to someone that don't know football, then you would be right

 

[CyberB0b]

Invest in a real Safety please, stop looking for "small school gems" to play FS/SS , go look at who are considered the best Safeties in the NFL, they don't come from small schools....

How many really good safeties are there? I can think of about 5.

 

[IrishAnto]

2009 - top 10 against the pass, top 5 against the run, gave up 7 total points in a three week span.

I'm gonna go ahead and say we had a heck of an elite defense in 09.

I don't know where your getting 7 points in a three week span? but I see you left out the final game when they gave up 34 to the Vikings.

Elite defences don't give up 34 points in the playoffs.

And of course managed to force zero turnovers.

Sound familiar?

 

[mattjames2010]

I don't know where your getting 7 points in a three week span? but I see you left out the final game when they gave up 34 to the Vikings.

Elite defences don't give up 34 points in the playoffs.

And of course managed to force zero turnovers.

Sound familiar?

My bad, 14 points

Week 16 - Commanders, 0 points
Week 17 - Eagles, 0 points
Wildcard playoffs, - 14 points

Yes, that Vikings game was a disaster. That doesn't take away from the fact that our defense ranked highly in nearly every major category. That elite defense is what helped us even get into the playoffs, we went into a high powered future Super Bowl champs stadium and held them to 17 points.

 

[IrishAnto]

My bad, 14 points

Week 16 - Commanders, 0 points
Week 17 - Eagles, 0 points
Wildcard playoffs, - 14 points

Yes, that Vikings game was a disaster. That doesn't take away from the fact that our defense ranked highly in nearly every major category. That elite defense is what helped us even get into the playoffs, we went into a high powered future Super Bowl champs stadium and held them to 17 points.

What got us into the playoffs was largely the play of Romo (same as it always is): 4483 yards and 26 touchdowns to 9 picks.

Did the defense have good games? Yes they did, but wouldn't you expect that with 8 former 1st round draft picks on the roster?

But as usual when it came to crunch time (Vikings) they didn't show up.

Truly elite defenses don't do that.

The Seahawks 2012 or the Ravens 2000 defense where elite, the Cowboys 2009 were not.

 

[mattjames2010]

What got us into the playoffs was largely the play of Romo (same as it always is): 4483 yards and 26 touchdowns to 9 picks.

Did the defense have good games? Yes they did, but wouldn't you expect that with 8 former 1st round draft picks on the roster?

But as usual when it came to crunch time (Vikings) they didn't show up.

Truly elite defenses don't do that.

The Seahawks 2012 or the Ravens 2000 defense where elite, the Cowboys 2009 were not.

Uh, no, you are talking about a legendary defense with the Ravens. There have been elite defenses that flubbed in the playoffs, the 09 defense was a top 5-10 defense THAT YEAR, shutting out two rival opponents in back to back weeks along with keeping the Eagles to 7 points until garbage time.

And they had "good games"? I don't know what constitutes as "good games" to you, back to back weeks of giving up 0 point is about as perfect a defense can be. No one is stating Phillips had a steel curtain that carved it's name into history, in 2009 it was an elite defense.

Oh, and that 2012 Seahawks defense gave up 30 points in the playoffs against the Falcons.

 

[jterrell]

How many really good safeties are there? I can think of about 5.

That's not far off but if you show me a good defense i'll show you a good safety.
A lot of young defenses put their best athlete at Safety so he is always involved in the play.
That is basically how it ends up in the NFL.
On virtually every big play we gave up one of safeties whiffed a tackle or coverage... sometimes both.

You can not play cover 2 unless the safeties are studs. --I was a very mediocre cover 2 safety in college I know, lol.

 

[IrishAnto]

Uh, no, you are talking about a legendary defense with the Ravens. There have been elite defenses that flubbed in the playoffs, the 09 defense was a top 5-10 defense THAT YEAR, shutting out two rival opponents in back to back weeks along with keeping the Eagles to 7 points until garbage time.

And they had "good games"? I don't know what constitutes as "good games" to you, back to back weeks of giving up 0 point is about as perfect a defense can be. No one is stating Phillips had a steel curtain that carved it's name into history, in 2009 it was an elite defense.

Then your definition of "elite" is different to mine.

An elite defense is excellent week in, week out. It will be in the top percentile right across the board (rushing/passing defense, turnovers, scoring etc.).

It will stand up then the offense isn't playing well.

Two back to back shutouts aren't evidence of the above especially as the first shutout was against the 4-12 Skins.

And again we have the performance against the Vikings.

 

[robjay04]

Uh, no, you are talking about a legendary defense with the Ravens. .

Pretty sure he is talking about the Ravens from a couple years ago that only had a middle of the pack defense but won because Flacco caught fire.

 

[JoeKing]

Some of these post are just unabashed ageism. What is wrong with the youth today that think that way? Our elders use to get respect but unfortunately those days seem to be long gone. Marinelli is one of the best defensive minds in the game today. Hating on him is not about football, it's about his age and that is disgusting.

 

[robjay04]

Some of these post are just unabashed ageism. What is wrong with the youth today that think that way? Our elders use to get respect but unfortunately those days seem to be long gone. Marinelli is one of the best defensive minds in the game today. Hating on him is not about football, it's about his age and that is disgusting.

Nobody was bashing him for his age last season, most of us thought he was essential to retain so that goes to show you that it is all about football.

Everybody is looking for a scapegoat after a bad season. I can make a thread praising Zack Martin and I guarantee someone bashes him before the second page...it is just the nature of fans after a bad season.

 

[mattjames2010]

Pretty sure he is talking about the Ravens from a couple years ago that only had a middle of the pack defense but won because Flacco caught fire.

He specifically stated Ravens of 2000. Which is a ridiculous comparison, it was one of the greatest defenses of all time. It's like comparing every defense to the steel curtain or the 80s Bears.