Detroit fans are lauging at us (how ironic)

[DallasDomination]

Hey we're like the seattle fans when they got Julius Jones. They dont know crap about him but some highlights and that one break out game He crushed them. We laughed at them and they shrugged it off...Well JJ is a bumb.


At the end of the day they( Lions Fans) know Roy Williams more then any of us Cowboys fans. Now they had a terrible team and injuries played a factor in how RW performed. So I'm not saying RW wont pan out and be a great addition to our team. What I am saying is that there are warning signs with this guy and we shouldnt drink the kool-aid and expect everything is going to be just fine.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

Hey we're like the seattle fans when they got Julius Jones. They dont know crap about him but some highlights and that one break out game He crushed them. We laughed at them and they shrugged it off...Well JJ is a bumb.


At the end of the day they( Lions Fans) know Roy Williams more then any of us Cowboys fans. Now they had a terrible team and injuries played a factor in how RW performed. So I'm not saying RW wont pan out and be a great addition to our team. What I am saying is that there are warning signs with this guy and we shouldnt drink the kool-aid and expect everything is going to be just fine.

Fair enough, but I heard the locals bragging about their one-two punch at receiver BEFORE Roy was traded to the Cowboys. They weren't so down on him until he came here. Now he's the worst receiver who ever played, let them tell it.

And what about this board? Remember all the "Roy is a beast, we should get him" type posts? Now after half a season of playing on a bum foot and not being targeted by either Garrett or Romo, all of a sudden he's a bust and a bum? I say the jury is still out.

And don't forget how a lot of folks here went on and on about Detroit's great receiving duo. They were referring to both Roy and Calvin. But now that Roy is a Cowboy, well, he's not that good. We are quite fickle here like most teams fans.

 

[AKATheRake]

0-16, 9-7... at the end of the season, it's the same boat. Dallas might have been at the bow, they may have been at the stern, but it's still the same boat.

Everything Aikman said is right. Roy has potential, but so far, he hasn't lived up to it. Maybe that's part of having been in Detriot. Like a lot of things this next season, we'll just have to wait and see.

Not the same boat at all. We knew how to win 9 games out of the 16 last year. That team doesn't know how to win a game ........ period. That collective group of players does not know what it feels like to win a game together. That's a huge mental cloud the players, ex coaches and management have to remove. That's more than just being made fun off, that is a losing mentality that first and foremost has to be removed.

Detroit is at a point where they have to rebuild after last season. We are looking to add pieces and remove some that made this place a circus last year so that we can collectively focus on winning first and not fame. They are totally looking for their identity and we are polishing ours. They do not have a franchise QB, we do. Who is the overriding leader on their team right now? No one. Ours is now the QB. We're focusing on the draft to hopefully add a difference maker or 2, but mostly depth and competition. They need cornerstones like you wouldn't believe.

I can go on and on but 0-16 is nothing like being 9-7 and just missing the playoffs. We need to make adjustments and polish this team. They need to rebuild and find their identity. 2 totally different worlds and their fans have no legs to stand in comparison to us. Not saying our season was great or that I am satisfied, because I am not. But 9-7, 9-7, 13-3 and 9-7 are much better than 0-16 and our team is on the bottom 3rd age wise in this league. Those bottom feeders are nothing like us. 5 championships, the best stadium in all of sports, a realistic plan to the promised land and the talent and fundamental components to get us there. That's no 0-16 team.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

Not the same boat at all. We knew how to win 9 games out of the 16 last year. That team doesn't know how to win a game ........ period. That collective group of players does not know what it feels like to win a game together. That's a huge mental cloud the players, ex coaches and management have to remove. That's more than just being made fun off, that is a losing mentality that first and foremost has to be removed.

Detroit is at a point where they have to rebuild after last season. We are looking to add pieces and remove some that made this place a circus last year so that we can collectively focus on winning first and not fame. They are totally looking for their identity and we are polishing ours. They do not have a franchise QB, we do. Who is the overriding leader on their team right now? No one. Ours is now the QB. We're focusing on the draft to hopefully add a difference maker or 2, but mostly depth and competition. They need cornerstones like you wouldn't believe.

I can go on and on but 0-16 is nothing like being 9-7 and just missing the playoffs. We need to make adjustments and polish this team. They need to rebuild and find their identity. 2 totally different worlds and their fans have no legs to stand in comparison to us. Not saying our season was great or that I am satisfied, because I am not. But 9-7, 9-7, 13-3 and 9-7 are much better than 0-16 and our team is on the bottom 3rd age wise in this league. Those bottom feeders are nothing like us. 5 championships, the best stadium in all of sports, a realistic plan to the promised land and the talent and fundamental components to get us there. That's no 0-16 team.

Post of the day.

 

[newlander]

this is like giving credence to the kids on the short bus starting crap with you at school....take it with a grain of salt and move on.........seriously.

 

[TheCount]

Oh please, when the Cowboys were 1-15, we were not making fun of anybody. We were ashamed and rightly so. 0-16, man. Freakin' 0-16!!!! They need to shut the hell up.

I'll bet you anything you want that you're wrong, there are Cowboy fans that will find someone to ridicule regardless of their teams success of failures, just like any other fan base.

Hell, I was ashamed after the Eagles loss but that didn't stop people from bringing up the Eagles lack of superbowls and so on. Even though they just handed us the worst beating we had taken in years.

The Lions have been losing for a long time, if you're still a Lion fan at this point, you've found something else other than wins to motivate yourself to keep believing in a team that bad.

Those are not fair-weather fans.

 

[AKATheRake]

Hey we're like the seattle fans when they got Julius Jones. They dont know crap about him but some highlights and that one break out game He crushed them. We laughed at them and they shrugged it off...Well JJ is a bumb.


At the end of the day they( Lions Fans) know Roy Williams more then any of us Cowboys fans. Now they had a terrible team and injuries played a factor in how RW performed. So I'm not saying RW wont pan out and be a great addition to our team. What I am saying is that there are warning signs with this guy and we shouldnt drink the kool-aid and expect everything is going to be just fine.

Actually, comparing Julius Jones and Roy Williams are 2 totally different scenarios. Julius Jones used to torch Seattle when we played them and there were still fans coming here asking us what we thought of him because they know we didn't even attempt to sign him. Nonetheless I'll pretend they thought they were happy they had JJ instead of their 2 year removed NFL MVP RB Shaun Alexander. Fine!

We tried to trade JJ in the draft 2 years prior and couldn't get a ham sandwich for him. When we let him just walk and all that time transpired throughout the offseason, only 1 team made him an offer. So JJ did not have any value or interest from teams in this league. Not even the team who drafted him made him a veteran minimum offer for whatever reason you'd like to state. Julius Jones never made the pro bowl and was a 2nd round pick, I believe he was the 5th rb taken.

Roy Williams has interest from many teams last year and the year prior. Top teams like Philadelphia, Baltimore and us. Detroit didn't want to let him go and refused to do anything about his contract. He shut his mouth through all of that and the losing. JJ started to cry here when MBIII was clearly the better RB. Roy Williams has been to a pro bowl, was the 7th overall pick in the draft and had teams not only interested in his services, but willing to trade for him.

When it was JJ's time to leave we couldn't wait for him to go out the door. Detroit finagled and wanted to keep RW as much as possible and finally gave in mid way through a terrible season realizing they had to trade 1 of their top 2 assets, which were both WR's, to get some picks to rebuild. Picks for a WR that was in the last year of his contract and wasn't going to be happy if you franchised him.

I didn't see a RW that was in sync with Tony Romo and our playbook, but this whole team looked like that offensively the last 4 games. But I saw a guy who caught anything within his vicinity and wanted to make an impact. I also see a young WR with a great deal of physical talent, better than T.O's at this point in both their careers. I don't see any of that in JJ. RW will be productive and we wouldn't have gotten a WR of this quality for our first and 3rd this year in the draft.

Supposed to be a good year for WR's but Crabtree and Maclin are the only 2 that even have the pedigree coming out of college that RW did. A couple of seasons ago, RW looked like he was on his way to being one of the elite WR's in this league. JJ, never looked like that. He showed flashes of being good but never one of the best at his position. RW and JJ are not in the same category and you'll see this season.

 

[AKATheRake]

Post of the day.

Thanks!!! Surprised they tried to compare the 2 seasons as equal.

 

[AKATheRake]

I'll bet you anything you want that you're wrong, there are Cowboy fans that will find someone to ridicule regardless of their teams success of failures, just like any other fan base.

Hell, I was ashamed after the Eagles loss but that didn't stop people from bringing up the Eagles lack of superbowls and so on. Even though they just handed us the worst beating we had taken in years.

The Lions have been losing for a long time, if you're still a Lion fan at this point, you've found something else other than wins to motivate yourself to keep believing in a team that bad.

Those are not fair-weather fans.

You're right and extremely sympathetic, but 0-16 needs to just humble themselves at all costs. Any teams fans that loses in week 17 with their playoff lives on the line like we did should keep quiet and take the verbal beatings deservedly. Should humble ourselves and build off of it and congratulate them for their efforts.

I for one warned from the week ahead that we were walking into a hornets nest. They ridiculed and laughed at me. I remember even ECloco on some of the threads with me also breaking down numbers and factual information for these guys. Historical and present information. Trends. These guys still thought we were bananas. Well, we got slapped around, I didn't know you could start a thread during games and got banned. .

I know now though. Should have then also, since there was a sticky that indicates that. So I take full responsibility and paid the consequences justly. Still don't have the thread creating privelidge and can't edit my posts for spelling errors. So I'm stillfeeling that Phillyloss around here. But they took it to us and any Eagles fan that starts bringing that game up I just outright congratualte before they get into it. They push the envelope I congratualte them again.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Thanks!!! Surprised they tried to compare the 2 seasons as equal.

Anyone claiming that the season we had is no better than the season the Lions had is simply insane.

 

[silverbear]

Under the article about Troy critcizing the Roy Williams trade, Detroit fans are laughing at Dallas fans, saying they hope we have fun with RW and what a bum he is. Scroll down to the bottom of each page to see comments. There are pages and pages criticizing Roy, Jerry Jones and Dallas fans. It's amazingly ironic that an 0-16 club can make fun of anybody. And don't give me that "they're right/it's true" crap. 0-16. Freakin' 0-16!!!! I live in Detroit (unfortunately) and take it from me, Lions fans are arrogant as hell. How ironic under the circumstances.

Aw, go easy on them, after all, they're Lions fans-- what could they possibly know about football??

They still think Barry Sanders was better than Emmitt Smith, that alone destroys any credibility they might once have had...

I fart in their general direction...

 

[28 Joker]

10. Lions- Mike Wiliams WR
11. Cowboys- DeMarcus Ware DE

If they want to put their roster up against ours, let's go.

I hope they have fun paying an untested QB, who hasn't played a down, # 1 money. Talk about risk. They better hope they get a Troy Aikman or Carson Palmer. I like Matthew Stafford, but that is a lot of pressure on anyone, especially when you have an 0-16 roster.

 

[AKATheRake]

Anyone claiming that the season we had is no better than the season the Lions had is simply insane.

Absolutely!!! In my opinion there is a huge gap between a team that goes 0-16 and a team that goes 1-15 and wins their last game.

RW is really taking it from Aikman, Irivin and Deion isn't he? They are doing it to motivate the guy and I believe it will. Really like his response about those guys being HOF's and he is trying to get there.

What's your take?

 

[AKATheRake]

10. Lions- Mike Wiliams WR
11. Cowboys- DeMarcus Ware DE

If they want to put their roster up against ours, let's go.

I hope they have fun paying an untested QB, who hasn't played a down, # 1 money. Talk about risk. They better hope they get a Troy Aikman or Carson Palmer. I like Matthew Stafford, but that is a lot of pressure on anyone, especially when you have an 0-16 roster.

Huge risk. No o-line either. Stafford does remind me a lot of Jay Cutler with his arm and decent mobility to move around and buy time though. If they draft him I think he sits back a season like Palmer did, the odds thisyear would be too far against him. They don't have Kitna to coach the kid up like he did with Carson though. Culpepper certainly won't, nor is he capable. Does have CJ though.

 

[burmafrd]

Roy had a huge year when things were halfway decent in Detroit. he was pretty good in the other years, not great. JJ was great for his first half season; and was pretty good most of his second year (not a popular thought but look at his stats and he was good). He went downhill from there and there are a lot of ideas why (built his upper body too much and lost his balance edge; BP brainwashed him-BP did call him his Robot RB; etc.)
Whatever. Roy has been making plays and showing what he can do in what was arguably next to the Raiders the worst place in the NFL to play. So I was absolutely on board with getting him and the price to me was fine.
And I still am.

 

[SultanOfSix]

This is kind of like the court jester ridiculing someone else for making a fool of themselves. There isn't really anything more you can say about it.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

RW is really taking it from Aikman, Irivin and Deion isn't he? They are doing it to motivate the guy and I believe it will. Really like his response about those guys being HOF's and he is trying to get there.

What's your take?

I don't think they're trying to motivate Roy. I think Deion and Irvin are just huge TO huggers who are upset their boy was sent packing. Troy simply thinks Roy isn't very good.

I think that Roy is less than perfect, but he has a good attitude, he's not a problem child, and despite what they say he does have a lot of ability. I expect him to be more than fine now that he's out of that trainwreck of a franchise in Detroit. The year Roy was healthy and had Martz and a decent QB, he put up very good numbers and made the Pro Bowl.

 

[Clove]

Are you kidding? We accomplished waaaaay more than them. Did we underachieve? Hell yeah, but 0-16? Wrap your mind around that for a minute. Seriously, that is laugingstock stuff. THE...WORST...RECORD...EVER.

They didn't make the playoffs, and are getting the number 1 pick, including another 1. We didn't make the play offs, and are getting the second round pick.

I'd be laughing as well, neither made the play offs, the other is getting a great QB possibly.

 

[Muhast]

 

[Muhast]

lol sorry, I had to!