Deuce Vaughn: Ready to Cut it Loose

[stilltheguru]

He’s limited.

Too little and can’t pass block.

He does have something going for him:

Our other scrubs are terrible too.

They might just sneak him on as RB3.

he went from limited to terrible in one post lol. Yall cant even hide how much yall want him to fail.

 

[doomsday9084]

Malik Davis barely played last year. Mostly just in games where Pollard or Zeke were out. I bring this up not as a comment about Davis but about the fact that the team really doesn't use an RB3.

Either Deuce plays a lot this year as RB2 or virtually not at all unless there is an injury. I don't see a spot role for him.

Overall, Deuce has the speed and vision to be an NFL back. The question is about his size. Yesterday was a good sign. He didn't go down super easily and he didn't show fear. He was running with his head up and showed patience when necessary but hit it fast when it was appropriate.

The criteria for a RB is:
1. Ability to run the ball
2. Ability to catch the ball
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3. Ability to pass protect

If you are no threat to run the ball or catch it out of the backfield, you aren't going to play regardless of how good of a pass protector you are. Teams would just rotate TE2 or 3 into the backfield over you.

Its very early but right now Deuce is RB2.

 

[blueblood70]

There definitely were a number of Vaughn fans in the draft threads. I was merely one of the club.

yeah but mr Yeah but Mr. @BlindFaith I've already bookmarked him blind faith i've already bookmarked that doubt he even can make the roster some were saying we should put him on the practice squad most of us are saying if you watch college football he was one of only three players in Kansas State history with 5000 scrimmage yards that would be Tyler Lockett Darren Sproles and himself were in some fine company we also saw how he played against some of the better defenses in the Big 12 and I know that's not saying a lot they don't play great defense however when you play as well as he did in college he may not be that guy here he's not gonna be a three down back I'm not over selling him but he will contribute he will be everything we hope, Dunbar, white, and jet were supposed to be.. He will be great as the number two or the number three coming in in a rotation with a game plan and a set of plays against certain defenses I mean the dude not only could run the football he knows how to avoid hits you can tell he's kinda like Emmitt Smith where he's always seeming to be grazed but not lit up and he can jump pretty high... I mean some of those passes were horrible and he actually were getting up there and getting his hands on them.. I'm pretty sure they were talking about his genetics that his dad was in the NFL or they're a sports family so it makes sense that the man looks pretty mature pretty calm and under control it doesn't look like he's satisfied with anything he's done so far..

Again, let me be clear I'm not counting on this guy to be A 3 down back you can count on but for sure he's gonna make the roster and he's going to contribute and produce some quality plays this season.

 

[blueblood70]

Malik Davis barely played last year. Mostly just in games where Pollard or Zeke were out. I bring this up not as a comment about Davis but about the fact that the team really doesn't use an RB3.

Either Deuce plays a lot this year as RB2 or virtually not at all unless there is an injury. I don't see a spot role for him.

Overall, Deuce has the speed and vision to be an NFL back. The question is about his size. Yesterday was a good sign. He didn't go down super easily and he didn't show fear. He was running with his head up and showed patience when necessary but hit it fast when it was appropriate.

The criteria for a RB is:
1. Ability to run the ball
2. Ability to catch the ball
....
....
....
3. Ability to pass protect

If you are no threat to run the ball or catch it out of the backfield, you aren't going to play regardless of how good of a pass protector you are. Teams would just rotate TE2 or 3 into the backfield over you.

Its very early but right now Deuce is RB2.

The mistake you're making is you're thinking of the past this is the future we're gonna be doing running back by committee and we will use three to four backs here's the difference they're going to be on special teams so they're already coming to the game day roster so then you can give them three plays maybe like Rico or Malik but please stop counting on what you think might happen because of the past this is a different team this year with the coaches and the play callers all different and I think they will use 4 backs and a lot of games yes primary they will use two backs heavily but I believe you're going to see a true running back by committee where it depends on the opposition and the game plan on who is active and who gets more snaps..

Again, I hope that the rest of the league thinks like you they're expecting the way we did things the last three years with zeke and they're gonna see that's not gonna be the case we know that Tony Pollard can't handle it all and we have a handful of backs that have a skill set that can be very productive if used correctly and we will go running back by committee in its truest form not just splitting carries between 2 backs..

 

[DUO_CORE]

He's 3" shorter and carries 23 lb. more muscle than Turpin.
If he continues to impress against the #1's in TC and produces in preseason games, send Dowdle or Davis to the PS and run Vaughn until he's not helping the team move the chains or he gives up.

 

[Flamma]

At the very least, Deuce has to be a play action nightmare for a defense. Spotting him behind the OL would be hard enough. Then if he gets through the line, he could be a menace.

I can only go by his play in college. I don't know how he will transition to the NFL. But I'm hoping for the best.

 

[tomokawan]

yeah but mr Yeah but Mr. @BlindFaith I've already bookmarked him blind faith i've already bookmarked that doubt he even can make the roster some were saying we should put him on the practice squad most of us are saying if you watch college football he was one of only three players in Kansas State history with 5000 scrimmage yards that would be Tyler Lockett Darren Sproles and himself were in some fine company we also saw how he played against some of the better defenses in the Big 12 and I know that's not saying a lot they don't play great defense however when you play as well as he did in college he may not be that guy here he's not gonna be a three down back I'm not over selling him but he will contribute he will be everything we hope, Dunbar, white, and jet were supposed to be.. He will be great as the number two or the number three coming in in a rotation with a game plan and a set of plays against certain defenses I mean the dude not only could run the football he knows how to avoid hits you can tell he's kinda like Emmitt Smith where he's always seeming to be grazed but not lit up and he can jump pretty high... I mean some of those passes were horrible and he actually were getting up there and getting his hands on them.. I'm pretty sure they were talking about his genetics that his dad was in the NFL or they're a sports family so it makes sense that the man looks pretty mature pretty calm and under control it doesn't look like he's satisfied with anything he's done so far..

Again, let me be clear I'm not counting on this guy to be A 3 down back you can count on but for sure he's gonna make the roster and he's going to contribute and produce some quality plays this season.

I was one of them who thought Deuce would be a great addition to this team. Those of us who saw him play in the big 12, saw his potential, despite his stature. I understand some folks, who barely saw or knew about him, would only look at his size and paint a doom and gloom failure. Then pounce on the I told you so if he fails. It is what it is.

 

[Typhus]

yeah but mr Yeah but Mr. @BlindFaith I've already bookmarked him blind faith i've already bookmarked that doubt he even can make the roster some were saying we should put him on the practice squad most of us are saying if you watch college football he was one of only three players in Kansas State history with 5000 scrimmage yards that would be Tyler Lockett Darren Sproles and himself were in some fine company we also saw how he played against some of the better defenses in the Big 12 and I know that's not saying a lot they don't play great defense however when you play as well as he did in college he may not be that guy here he's not gonna be a three down back I'm not over selling him but he will contribute he will be everything we hope, Dunbar, white, and jet were supposed to be.. He will be great as the number two or the number three coming in in a rotation with a game plan and a set of plays against certain defenses I mean the dude not only could run the football he knows how to avoid hits you can tell he's kinda like Emmitt Smith where he's always seeming to be grazed but not lit up and he can jump pretty high... I mean some of those passes were horrible and he actually were getting up there and getting his hands on them.. I'm pretty sure they were talking about his genetics that his dad was in the NFL or they're a sports family so it makes sense that the man looks pretty mature pretty calm and under control it doesn't look like he's satisfied with anything he's done so far..

Again, let me be clear I'm not counting on this guy to be A 3 down back you can count on but for sure he's gonna make the roster and he's going to contribute and produce some quality plays this season.

As a fellow Longhorns fan I hated seeing DV, but I recognized how special the player was, and respected DV at KS for that ability.
He has great vision and lightning fast cutback agility and when you combine those two elements in a compact package DV can easily get lost in space.

 

[blueblood70]

He's 3" shorter and carries 23 lb. more muscle than Turpin.
If he continues to impress against the #1's in TC and produces in preseason games, send Dowdle or Davis to the PS and run Vaughn until he's not helping the team move the chains or he gives up.

The problem with that is you cannot run do spawn into the ground like that that's stupid that's why you call it running back by committee you try to figure out how many snaps each back can truly handle and make it into the postseason fresher and healthier.. This is why fans who try to become GM's and coaches need to just stop you cannot put that much pressure on deuce fawn I like him and I hope they find a way to use him where he helps the Dallas Cowboys but I can promise you they cannot overuse any of these backs they're gonna have to bring Rico and or Malik Davis to play special teams anyway they were already be on the active game day roster I don't know if you noticed but that's what their primary jobs are so the backs are already here they're just not being utilized they were brought three backs to every game last year I can see them bringing four this year depending on the game and the team that we're playing. You do not run deuce Vaughn into the ground that's just not smart football.. So let's keep it in perspective running back by committee means there's gonna be a different way this coaching staff uses all of our running backs and tight ends this year in the run game and the pass game hopefully they disguise it enough you're not gonna know what's coming

 

[Diehardblues]

I must say this was my most positive take away from last nights game. He could make an immediate impact.

 

[Diehardblues]

It’s hard not to love this guy. I’m really pulling for him.

May not have to root too hard. He could be a Diamond in the rough.

 

[blueblood70]

As a fellow Longhorns fan I hated seeing DV, but I recognized how special the player was, and respected DV at KS for that ability.
He has great vision and lightning fast cutback agility and when you combine those two elements in a compact package DV can easily get lost in space.

Correct if utilized properly meaning not overused this coaching staff needs to be smart and use a true running back by committee they need to utilize all three backs they choose to have active on game day and the tight ends in a way where the packages can look like a run but it's a pass and look like a pass and can be a run you cannot tip your hand you know back when Dunbar used to come in or jet or white you knew what was coming right jet sweep or some misdirection but we need to utilize our backs to where you don't know what's about to happen and from what I understand that's how our new offensive coordinator and our new coach calling plays have done things in the past.. they have a handful of basic looks but run and pass out of them all. Also I'm very curious to see how much more they use Prescott under center because I think in an offense like this him under center is less likely to tip our hand on what we might be running it gives the defense too much time when you're in shotgun to see what's about to happen but when you pull out from under center anything can happen..

 

[Typhus]

The problem with that is you cannot run do spawn into the ground like that that's stupid that's why you call it running back by committee you try to figure out how many snaps each back can truly handle and make it into the postseason fresher and healthier.. This is why fans who try to become GM's and coaches need to just stop you cannot put that much pressure on deuce fawn I like him and I hope they find a way to use him where he helps the Dallas Cowboys but I can promise you they cannot overuse any of these backs they're gonna have to bring Rico and or Malik Davis to play special teams anyway they were already be on the active game day roster I don't know if you noticed but that's what their primary jobs are so the backs are already here they're just not being utilized they were brought three backs to every game last year I can see them bringing four this year depending on the game and the team that we're playing. You do not run deuce Vaughn into the ground that's just not smart football.. So let's keep it in perspective running back by committee means there's gonna be a different way this coaching staff uses all of our running backs and tight ends this year in the run game and the pass game hopefully they disguise it enough you're not gonna know what's coming

RBBC is a foreign term to a lot of Cowboys fans.

 

[Diehardblues]

I‘ve seen Deuce play against some really good college defenses, many with multiple NFL draft picks. Anyone see what he did to Ala last year in the Sugar Bowl? He had 133 yds against Ala including an electrifying 88 yd TD run. In the second half he didn’t do as much because his team was forced to throw.

Look, I get it he’s small. But he’s always been a guy who was way better than people a lot bigger than him. Maybe he won’t be much. I understand why he’s underestimated. But I can see this guy being a good spot player in certain situations. He’s not just a little guy. He’s a football player who happens to be small.

Well said . And if he wasn’t small his numbers at KState would have been more of a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

I think he could be the most immediate impactful draft pick . Especially if we have our starting OL on the field . I think we found our backup . And maybe more.

 

[Diehardblues]

And to all of the doubters out there. I’ll wager 2 weeks on the forum he makes the team.

 

[blueblood70]

RBBC is a foreign term to a lot of Cowboys fans.

It's understandable because we've been a one back blue chip three down workhorse type offense for a very long time we basically gave most of the snaps to one back and then slowly worked in the second back but I believe they're gonna change that this year and for good reason we don't have any backs on this roster that can carry the load and be productive. Hey we could be all wrong, and find out this is all a bunch of talk and a bunch of puff and we might be disappointed with this new coaching staff gonna do with the run game but I believe that's their plan a true RBBC.

The best strategy in a 17 game season is to do that you wanna have Tony Pollard and whoever you consider your second best back as fresh as possible going into the playoffs... The problem we've had the last couple of years against the 49ers have been an offensive line that's been injured and weak and the run game suffered late in the season because of it.. If they are looking ahead they need to utilize these running backs in a way that keeps them all fresh and healthy as possible for the stretch run at the end of the year..

And I know this sounds crazy if Elliot is still out there mid season around game 9 I'm offering him a chance to come in and finish his career by being fresh getting ramped up and hitting his stride in the playoffs..

I mean why not think about this he's played very well the first eight games of the last two seasons looked fresh looked quick played his best ball then he got injured and slowed down and by the end of the year he couldn't do much if you flip that and bring him in at mid season maybe play him more and more over the last six games and he's hitting his stride for the playoffs he could still be valuable to this team.

 

[Typhus]

Correct if utilized properly meaning not overused this coaching staff needs to be smart and use a true running back by committee they need to utilize all three backs they choose to have active on game day and the tight ends in a way where the packages can look like a run but it's a pass and look like a pass and can be a run you cannot tip your hand you know back when Dunbar used to come in or jet or white you knew what was coming right jet sweep or some misdirection but we need to utilize our backs to where you don't know what's about to happen and from what I understand that's how our new offensive coordinator and our new coach calling plays have done things in the past.. they have a handful of basic looks but run and pass out of them all. Also I'm very curious to see how much more they use Prescott under center because I think in an offense like this him under center is less likely to tip our hand on what we might be running it gives the defense too much time when you're in shotgun to see what's about to happen but when you pull out from under center anything can happen..

Less substitutions on defense has certainly proven its advantage.
Same can be said about offense, and why Schoon was valued higher than most had him on their rankings.
I have said since the draft that DV and Schoon are both essential cogs in the scheme.
We can survive without either, but oh boy, if we get these two involved in the offense, it's going to get deceptive.
Deceptive, now there is a word we haven't been able to use in decades, has been predictable for a bit.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Well said . And if he wasn’t small his numbers at KState would have been more of a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

I think he could be the most immediate impactful draft pick . Especially if we have our starting OL on the field . I think we found our backup . And maybe more.

This is what I said back on Draft Day. Deuce is so talented, he's going to shine behind our starting Oline. Cowboys need to be careful and protect him though. Running back by committee would be best for Pollard, Deuce and whoever else the Cowboys decide to keep as their 3rd RB, plus likely a FB as well.

 

[big dog cowboy]

So he makes the team because his dad is a scout.

He will make the 53 because he has earned a roster spot.

 

[America's Cowboy]

And to all of the doubters out there. I’ll wager 2 weeks on the forum he makes the team.

Stop it, G, you're stealing my lines.