Deuce Vaughn: 'The Short King!' NFL 'Messed Up' on Cowboys Deuce Vaughn Move

[Mac_MaloneV1]

I don't think anyone wants to "take away" touches from Pollard but Pollard isn't going to be in on every play. So, in the event he needs a breather or whatever it's nice to possibly have a guy in there who can actually produce instead of just a guy who is on the field for a couple plays.

Yes, but that's not to say that Davis/Dowdle can't produce.

Any manufactured touches for the RB should be for Pollard. The number of times he needs a spell on one of them should be less than 5 per game.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Seriously?

Yes they have to see the hole blah blah blah. There's 100 backs in the league who have the vision to do that. The difference is what they do after contact.

The notion that there's some huge difference between premiere backs and bottom-roster players in their vision is silly. It's why the RB market is dead.

 

[Runwildboys]

Uh, it doesn't matter what a RB does before they're touched.

Only if they're standing still, otherwise, a good RB is trying to either stay untouched or gain momentum, to crash through the line.

 

[Stash]

Yes they have to see the hole blah blah blah. There's 100 backs in the league who have the vision to do that. The difference is what they do after contact.

The notion that there's some huge difference between premiere backs and bottom-roster players in their vision is silly. It's why the RB market is dead.

You can’t tackle what you can’t catch. Vaughn’s elite agility and stop-and-start ability change the parameters regarding “contact”.

Chalking it up solely to “vision” or “YAC” is being willfully ignorant of the obvious rare skills Deuce has.

That’s “silly”.

 

[TheMightyVanHalen]

So after 1 preseason game against #2's and #3's the entire league messed up allowing Vaughn to go to Dallas???? Damn man talking about anointing a rookie to greatness a little too soon.

Man, brother, every thread he is mentioned in you going to bash him? I have yet to see anything positive from you, Mr. PessimistUSArmyVet.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

You can’t tackle what you can’t catch. Vaughn’s elite agility and stop-and-start ability change the parameters regarding “contact”.

Chalking it up solely to “vision” or “YAC” is being willfully ignorant of the obvious rare skills Deuce has.

That’s “silly”.

That spin move, for instance, includes YAC, by my definition. But it doesn't matter, the idea that any modern RB is going to be so sudden and elusive that they're not going to get touched is ridiculous.

He's not obviously rare lol.

Some of you people are bonkers. If you want to call him Barry Sanders, go ahead. The part you're leaving out is that nobody could arm tackle him and he could drag defenders, and he was much faster than Deuce, especially relative to the competition.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Only if they're standing still, otherwise, a good RB is trying to either stay untouched or gain momentum, to crash through the line.

The point is that if you're only evaluating what a RB does before they're contacted, then theyre all the same because they only get what the OL provides.

 

[TequilaCowboy]

LOL, ...love how bent out of shape you guys get who just can't stand any positive or encouraging news on Deuce. C'mon it's not like the Cowboys gambled their first round pick getting him on the team. He's a freaking sixth round pick, and getting a pittance in salary. And you will see more, don't worry. Much to your chagrin.

If you're still butt hurt over your Zeke getting run out of town, time to get over it.. ..or consult a specialist.

 

[USArmyVet]

The skills and abilities that Deuce showed will work on ANY level of competition.

And they already HAVE.

For those that don’t know and haven’t done the homework, feel free to look up his college stats. Specifically the big games he had against top defensive programs like Alabama.

He doesn’t have to prove anything because he already has.

So when a player performs in college that translates into the NFL? Interesting thinking. So speaking of Alabama, this is what a certain QB did against them in 2013:

28 of 39 for 464 yards with 5 td's and 2 int's plus 14 carries for 98 yards

That QB was Johnny Manziel

How did he fair in the NFL?

 

[USArmyVet]

EXACTLY. What I want to see against backups is I why to see the guys who look like a man among boys. Who looks like they don't belong with the competition. And Vaughn keeps showing it. The pessimistic crowd doesn't want to believe in him because society says we shouldn't. He shouldn't be successful. But like you said, the stuff he's doing is going to work towards any and everyone.

So society is saying all that???? Stop with the overblown BS parade and trying to apply the obvious labeling that you are doing because quite frankly most of America has never heard of the guy nor do they care.

 

[Stash]

That spin move, for instance, includes YAC, by my definition. But it doesn't matter, the idea that any modern RB is going to be so sudden and elusive that they're not going to get touched is ridiculous.

He's not obviously rare lol.

Some of you people are bonkers. If you want to call him Barry Sanders, go ahead. The part you're leaving out is that nobody could arm tackle him and he could drag defenders, and he was much faster than Deuce, especially relative to the competition.

When your argument is crumbling, reach for a Strawman.

 

[DallasEast]

lol @ Cesar Lucero tweet. Perhaps Vaughn must shoot critics while they are sitting on the toilet before he will get more respect? Sounds about right.

 

[USArmyVet]

Ok, so stay out of this forum. Why need to throw your negative 2 cents around here? This is a fans forum for Dallas Cowboys fans, and fans have every right to be optimistic and hype up one of their players. If it bothers you that much, respectfully stay out and go comment elsewhere. Sheesh.

Hey 1st Amendment police. How about you recognize that fans have differing opinions and that is welcomed. If you want a rah rah feel good about Dallas forum go start one but until then, stop trying to be the Gestapo around here.

 

[Stash]

So when a player performs in college that translates into the NFL? Interesting thinking.

I thought that’s how the draft worked and that players were drafted based on college performance.

Or do they just pull names out of a hat?

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

When your argument is crumbling, reach for a Strawman.

I'm sorry what strawman? Are you saying that he hasn't been compared to Barry Sanders? Because that's not true.

When you have no argument, use condescending emojis. You're not nearly as insightful as you are smug.

 

[USArmyVet]

I thought that’s how the draft worked and that players were drafted based on college performance.

Or do they just pull names out of a hat?

Well according to you Vaughn does not need to prove anything in the NFL because he has proven it in college.....and I used Manziel as an example of someone that proved it in college but floundered in the NFL.
So naysay all you want but your theory is wrong.

 

[Stash]

I'm sorry what strawman? Are you saying that he hasn't been compared to Barry Sanders? Because that's not true.

No. People compared a part of his game to Barry Sanders. But when your argument is getting squashed, you make a blanket statement about a claim nobody made. A Strawman argument.

 

[Stash]

Well according to you Vaughn does not need to prove anything in the NFL because he has proven it in college.....and I used Manziel as an example of someone that proved it in college but floundered in the NFL.
So naysay all you want but your theory is wrong.

No. Your attempted comparison is wrong.

You, me, and everyone else knows why Manzel flopped.

And NONE of it has ANYTHING to go with Deuce Vaughn.

 

[USArmyVet]

No. Your attempted comparison is wrong.

You, me, and everyone else knows why Manzel flopped.

And NONE of it has ANYTHING to go with Deuce Vaughn.

Your words:

"He doesn’t have to prove anything because he already has."

So there is no need for Vaughn to play a down any more than he has as he should be sent right to the HoF since he doesn't need to prove anything.

 

[DallasEast]

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What is kinda funny is Kay Adams says the the rest of the NFL made a mistake letting Vaughn drop without describing him as Barry Sanders. Animaniacs? Yes. Vaughn? No.