Dez asking for 17m a year

[TellerMorrow34]

I love Dez. He's great.

I'm not paying any WR 17 million dollars.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

If true....and we don't know that it is....but people should really learn about the art of negotiation.

This is correct. Every one should know that they're going to shoot really high and meet lower but none the less I'd never even consider 17 million for a WR.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

What the actual number is per year is really just a number. The only number that counts is the guarantee money. Supposedly Bryant wants $40 million in guarantee money. So whether it is $17 million a year or $15 million a year, in reality it will be a $100 million plus contract likely over 7 to 9 years with a bonus of $25 million and salary guarantee money of another $15 to $20 million. The salary guarantee money can be figured many ways over the length of the contract but the bonus money has to be spread over 5 years. Betting the last two years of salary with be around $20 million and $25 million with neither being guaranteed for anything, much like Adrian Peterson contract where the 3 years he has left on his contract has no guarantee money.

First off anything more than a 7 year contract and I'd snap... And I think given his age, 7 years is too long.

Secondly I don't see them offering Bryant a "ridiculous back-end" contract like Peterson's.

Look at the contract for Tyron Smith:

2014

$1,079,013$3,897,018-$4,976,031$24,015,031
2015

$1,039,000$2,000,000$2,000,000$5,039,000$19,039,000
2016

$10,000,000$2,000,000$2,000,000$14,000,000$14,000,000
2017

$10,000,000$2,000,000$2,000,000$14,000,000$10,000,000
2018

$10,000,000$2,000,000$2,000,000$14,000,000$6,000,000
2019

$10,000,000-$2,000,000$12,000,000$2,000,000
2020

$10,000,000--$10,000,000-
2021

$10,500,000--$10,500,000-
2022

$13,500,000--$13,500,000-
2023

$13,600,000--$13,600,000

There's no big $20 mil per year salary towards the end of the deal. It's very straight forward with no convoluted way to make it look bigger than it actually is.

 

[Doomsday101]

First off anything more than a 7 year contract and I'd snap... And I think given his age, 7 years is too long.

Secondly I don't see them offering Bryant a "ridiculous back-end" contract like Peterson's.

Look at the contract for Tyron Smith:

2014

$1,079,013$3,897,018-$4,976,031$24,015,031
2015

$1,039,000$2,000,000$2,000,000$5,039,000$19,039,000
2016

$10,000,000$2,000,000$2,000,000$14,000,000$14,000,000
2017

$10,000,000$2,000,000$2,000,000$14,000,000$10,000,000
2018

$10,000,000$2,000,000$2,000,000$14,000,000$6,000,000
2019

$10,000,000-$2,000,000$12,000,000$2,000,000
2020

$10,000,000--$10,000,000-
2021

$10,500,000--$10,500,000-
2022

$13,500,000--$13,500,000-
2023

$13,600,000--$13,600,000

There's no big $20 mil per year salary towards the end of the deal. It's very straight forward with no convoluted way to make it look bigger than it actually is.

True but then the likelihood that this contract changes as they alter it to make cap room is pretty great.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

True but then the likelihood that this contract changes as they alter it to make cap room is pretty great.

Sure, it changes the cap charge from year to year but the salary for that given year (later on in the deal) isn't going to change.

Nor was the deal drawn up to give the impression that it was larger than it actually was.

Keep in mind the post I was responding to brought up the point that maybe the Cowboys would give a contract to Dez like they and most other teams did– in other words it was convoluted in that the last couple years would contain massive salaries that the player was not likely to receive and were there only to make the average cap charge lower.

Bottom line I don't see the Cowboys doing that with Bryant. They haven't played that "game" in a while.

 

[Supercowboy1986]

I'm really surprised by how many people agree that 17m is just too much. Normally I read posts about getting it done at whatever cost and blah blah blah. Surprised and pleased by the boards rationality on this one

 

[DFWJC]

It won't be the Patriots, then, because they lost their 2016 1st round pick because of deflate gate.

Got that right.

It wouldn't have been the Pats anyway for two reasons

1. They would never pay a WR that much in the first place
2. They value draft picks as much or more than any team in the league

The reality is that with two straight amazing drafts for WRs, many teams now have a stud WR on their roster--or at least one they think will be a stud soon.
But there's always seems to be at least one team that'll pay. I just can see who it'd be. Two firsts is huge when you add it to 100 mil...it's like giving up 4 first rounders value wise.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

First off anything more than a 7 year contract and I'd snap... And I think given his age, 7 years is too long.

Secondly I don't see them offering Bryant a "ridiculous back-end" contract like Peterson's.

Look at the contract for Tyron Smith:

2014

$1,079,013$3,897,018-$4,976,031$24,015,031
2015

$1,039,000$2,000,000$2,000,000$5,039,000$19,039,000
2016

$10,000,000$2,000,000$2,000,000$14,000,000$14,000,000
2017

$10,000,000$2,000,000$2,000,000$14,000,000$10,000,000
2018

$10,000,000$2,000,000$2,000,000$14,000,000$6,000,000
2019

$10,000,000-$2,000,000$12,000,000$2,000,000
2020

$10,000,000--$10,000,000-
2021

$10,500,000--$10,500,000-
2022

$13,500,000--$13,500,000-
2023

$13,600,000--$13,600,000

There's no big $20 mil per year salary towards the end of the deal. It's very straight forward with no convoluted way to make it look bigger than it actually is.

If you think Tyron is going to carry this contract into 2023 I have some beach front property in Alaska to sell you.

Tyron could hold out tomorrow and get a new deal. TOMORROW.

 

[hornitosmonster]

Cya Dez. Have fun in Jacksonville

 

[xwalker]

First off anything more than a 7 year contract and I'd snap... And I think given his age, 7 years is too long.

20M signing bonus

2014 6M guaranteed
2015 6M guaranteed
2016 6M
2017 6M
2018 6M

2019 50M
2020 50M
2021 50M
2022 50M
2023 50M

Contract average is 30M. If cut after year 5, it would be a 5 year, 50M contract (10M average).

With the ego that Dez has, he would not be able to conceive of the idea that they would actually cut him, so he would see this as an actual 300M contract.

The media would get to repeatedly proclaim it as the biggest contract in NFL history with a 30M average. That would stroke his ego.

Obviously, his agent(s) would advise against it, but he would likely push them out of the way to jump across the table and sign this contract.

I know Toruk is a huge fan of this idea.

 

[Tabascocat]

I don't even know why NE would do it. They win SBs without top receivers.

Was going to say the same thing but decided not to.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

20M signing bonus

2014 6M guaranteed
2015 6M guaranteed
2016 6M
2017 6M
2018 6M

2019 50M
2020 50M
2021 50M
2022 50M
2023 50M

Contract average is 30M. If cut after year 5, it would be a 5 year, 50M contract (10M average).

With the ego that Dez has, he would not be able to conceive of the idea that they would actually cut him, so he would see this as an actual 300M contract.

The media would get to repeatedly proclaim it as the biggest contract in NFL history with a 30M average. That would stroke his ego.

Obviously, his agent(s) would advise against it, but he would likely push them out of the way to jump across the table and sign this contract.

I know Toruk is a huge fan of this idea.

LOL!

 

[mickswag]

Not showing up to minicamp.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

If you think Tyron is going to carry this contract into 2023 I have some beach front property in Alaska to sell you.

Tyron could hold out tomorrow and get a new deal. TOMORROW.

Doesn't matter what tomorrow brings.

The fact is his contract is his contract and it's the type of contract the Cowboys have been negotiating lately.

I know you want the Cowboys to break the bank for Bryant, but if they do it won't be through the use of a gimmicky contract.

 

[mahoneybill]

If true....and we don't know that it is....but people should really learn about the art of negotiation.

Quoting that age old philopsher Mick Jagger " You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you just might get what you need "..... decode... No way 17 but Yes some way through guarantees a better deal than franchise with multiple years

 

[MRV52]

Good riddance, as he isn't even the best WR in the NFL. He is not worth 17M.

 

[jterrell]

I've been saying his agent will start the negotiations out at min cjs contract. People think just because it was a bad contract that his agent shouldn't ask for it. Lol that isn't his agent or dez's problem.

But it is his agent's fault if they cost him money by being daft.
No one is giving a WR 17m per this next season or so.
He could get a max of 15 but a lot of that would be fluff.

Dez would be smart to ask for about 50m GUARANTEED but at a rate of 12/13m per year.
Get about 30m up front and enough to set him up for life all while allowing him to be a Cowboy for his entire career.

7 years 90m contract. 30 up front, guarantee large portions of seasons 1-4 (with insurance backing his health).

Wasting a couple years could see him encounter an Anthony Spencer like injury and loss of money.

Dez can live the rest of his life off this contract and the additional opportunities one is afforded by being a Cowboy great.
Troy, Emmitt and Mike are hardly going hungry post NFL. Dez could fall into that same vein.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Not showing up to minicamp.

MIght be better that way.

 

[StarBoyz83]

I love Dez but I think 12-13 mill a year is plenty. He's a top 5 wr but there's a whole team here not just him. Also this kind of irks me when he wants that kind of money. Sometimes he disappears.

1/4 vs DET 3 for 48
1/11 @ GB 3 for 38

That's terrible!

 

[Little Jr]

You are worth what your employer is willing to pay...

As of now, they're willing to pay a min of $13m.

I think that might be their max. They started at 11m