Dez Contract Speculations

[CF74]

How about they do 15 and call it a day

See 1st post

 

[NextGenBoys]

He is the heart and soul of this team.

To the posters suggesting we get two years out of him and move on....what is your reasoning???

 

[Clove]

that is why he doesn't have a deal

he is not a QB

Thanks for saying this. The QB gets the most money, the QB takes the most blame.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Dez is one guy, not the end all be all.....if these so called all time great, they'd be leading their teams to Superbowls every year , yet they aren't..ask New England, they have no problem winning divisions and Superbowls without over paying for receivers.....in fact when one of theirs think they need a big contract(Welker), they say see ya later and replace them with cheaper cast offs and never skip a beat...

Pats would pay Dez if they had one. Just like they paid hernandez and gronk big money. Just like they've paid a number of guys big money. They moved on from Welker and guys like wilfork because they were no longer worth their money. Sort of like we did with ware.

Please at least try and compare apples to apples.

 

[Nightman]

Pats would pay Dez if they had one. Just like they paid hernandez and gronk big money. Just like they've paid a number of guys big money. They moved on from Welker and guys like wilfork because they were no longer worth their money. Sort of like we did with ware.

Please at least try and compare apples to apples.

Big money or top money. That is the big hold up. They let Revis walk over top money.

People need to realize 12.8m is the second most money for a WR. It is not an insult. CJohnson was a fluke of circumstances that won't be repeated.

 

[DFWJC]

5 years would be goofy.

7 years would be absolutely, certifiably insane for the Cowboys to do.

My guess is that is part of the holdup though....for better or worse.

 

[DFWJC]

Big money or top money. That is the big hold up. They let Revis walk over top money.

People need to realize 12.8m is the second most money for a WR. It is not an insult. CJohnson was a fluke of circumstances that won't be repeated.

And most consider a dominant CB more valuable than a dominant WR.
Though once you get to that elite level, the lines get blurred.

Also, many should note that there's plenty of research now saying by far most WRs also hit a bit of a wall at 29 or so .
Fitz has declined every single year since his big deal. General consensus is that Calvin was not worth his deal either.

Still, I really a surprised Dez hasn't been signed long term.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Big money or top money. That is the big hold up. They let Revis walk over top money.

People need to realize 12.8m is the second most money for a WR. It is not an insult. CJohnson was a fluke of circumstances that won't be repeated.

We don't know where Dez is on his contract.

Also it seemed that Revis wanted to return to NY. We don't know what New England offered. And they played Revis plenty for his year there.

 

[Beast_from_East]

If dez wants to play this out in the public then Stephen jones should join the argument. Tell Dez sign the Franchise tag, take 13 million or risk being traded. Sure Ceveland or Jacksonville would love an opportunity to get Dez. This kid is trying to blow up any hope of a super bowl for the Cowboys. Hero to Zero by opening his mouth.

Don't play Dez childish media games..... bottom line Shut up Dez an grow up an let your agent do his job......I don hear D Thomas crying in the media. Just shut up Dez

Dez and his agent would laugh at your threat of a trade.......................Dez has not signed his franchise tender so he is not under contract and under the terms of the CBA a franchise player who has not signed his tender cannot be traded.

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[BAZ]

So you think letting Murray walk was epic fail? Isn't that a knock on Romo

It may be, really depends on what Randal /Dmac can do. Not a knock on Romo, he was getting it done before Dez arrived.

 

[ghst187]

He is the heart and soul of this team.

To the posters suggesting we get two years out of him and move on....what is your reasoning???

A) two years from now I fully expect his production to drop off
B) two years from now Romo will likely be a shell
C) his contract demands are will force us to pay him for top 5 numbers long after his production has tanked
D) salary cap hades for the long term

 

[TheFinisher]

A) two years from now I fully expect his production to drop off
B) two years from now Romo will likely be a shell
C) his contract demands are will force us to pay him for top 5 numbers long after his production has tanked
D) salary cap hades for the long term

When Dez's cap hits are high Romo will no longer be on the team and we will be paying pennies for a QB on a rookie deal for 4-5 years.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

My guess is that is part of the holdup though....for better or worse.

Agreed.

 

[CF74]

It may be, really depends on what Randal /Dmac can do. Not a knock on Romo, he was getting it done before Dez arrived.

Different times, especially different age and health limitations....

 

[ghst187]

When Dez's cap hits are high Romo will no longer be on the team and we will be paying pennies for a QB on a rookie deal for 4-5 years.

but will the QB be any good? if he stinks, then having a star WR won't matter...and wouldn't be worth paying then either. That'd be big money better spent elsewhere IMO. WRs are easier to find than about 8 other positions

 

[xwalker]

Dude it's not about ego, it's about worth...

He could have already signed a contract that would make him a top 5 paid WR, but he wants to be #1. The problem is that #1 averages 16M and #2 averages 12M.

 

[xwalker]

They only get him 2 years and they are paying full retail with no pro-rations.

They cannot eliminate risk completely and compete for the top players. Guys like Hardy, McClain and Melton all have huge question marks and if they do work out you have to pay them eventually.

I just explained why the prorated issue is probably not really an issue.

The only problem with Franchising him for 2 years would be that you might not be able to sign him to a contract after that.

There is no reason not to Franchise him for 1 year.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

And most consider a dominant CB more valuable than a dominant WR.
Though once you get to that elite level, the lines get blurred.

Also, many should note that there's plenty of research now saying by far most WRs also hit a bit of a wall at 29 or so .
Fitz has declined every single year since his big deal. General consensus is that Calvin was not worth his deal either.

Still, I really a surprised Dez hasn't been signed long term.

By plenty of research you mean case studies on Fitz and Calvin.

Also this is the NFL. If a guy on a deal lasts 3 years on the deal and produces at a high level that's generally considered a win all around.

LOL @ guys trying to craft a deal or wanting Dez to accept a deal that assures there will never be dead money associated with it.

That's not how reality works. I mean are people just not paying attention?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I just explained why the prorated issue is probably not really an issue.

The only problem with Franchising him for 2 years would be that you might not be able to sign him to a contract after that.

There is no reason not to Franchise him for 1 year.

We had thus conversation. There is no reason NOW not to franchise him for this year. There were plenty of reasons before.

 

[DFWJC]

By plenty of research you mean case studies on Fitz and Calvin.

Also this is the NFL. If a guy on a deal lasts 3 years on the deal and produces at a high level that's generally considered a win all around.

LOL @ guys trying to craft a deal or wanting Dez to accept a deal that assures there will never be dead money associated with it.

That's not how reality works. I mean are people just not paying attention?

I agree on the contract length and productivity.

As for the research; that dates back to the NFL for 20 years. With a few exceptions (Jerry Rice for example) the decline is sharp after 29. Why would think that only applied to Fitz and Calvin?
And again, I don't disagree that it just goes wit the turf when you write a longer contract.

This cuts both ways and explains why Dez knows this is real chance to cash in. The odds are very high that he won't be producing like a top 5 receiver in 3 years. So they want a 7 year deal vs maybe the 5 year deal the team would give him.

BTW, I'm one who's really surprised we don't have Dez signed long term.
I thought if we tagged anyone it would have been Murray...and that was a big if.