Did anyone else hear Adam S on NFLN tonight?

[theogt]

someone said something about tampering because they think Norv is acting as a go-between Jerry and Rivera, I just put that thought to rest

You didn't put it to rest. If it can be shown that Norv was acting as an agent for the Cowboys, it's likely that it would be considered tampering.

 

[CM Duck]

Isn't Ron Turner Norv's brother? Could he have just been there to support his brother and talk to Rivera while there?

thats exactly what happened! this comes from an unidentified league source(the door man at the Bears' hotel) that happened to have recorded their conversation.

as a matter of fact, i have the transcripts from the conversation, here goes.

Norv-"hello Mr Rivera"

Ron-"hey buddy. can you fetch me a cab? OH! hey Norvie, didn't recognize you without your lips attached to Jerry's backside."

Norv-"uhhhh, Is my brother here?"

Ron-"yeah, he's upstairs trying to figure out how to make Rex into a decent QB for 1 day."

Norv-"Oh yeah, good luck during the Super Bowl, buddy."

Ron-"Yeah, and good luck if your 9er offense ever go against MY Cowboys defense! ARRIBA LA RAZA!!!!!!!!"

take it for what its worth, but remember this comes from an unidentified league source(the door man at the Bears' hotel).




I am expecting a call from espn and/or the NFL Network
to become their new "NFL inside info" guy any minute now.

 

[Hunter71]

Talking about the cowboys HC and dropped this little nugget in, Norv Turner met with Ron Rivera Friday night at the Bears Hotel. Don't know if it means anything or not.. but it is pretty interesting.

First of all...

Norv is still employed by SF so he can't be speaking to other teams about coming to a team he hasn't formally joined...

Both SF and Chicago would have a tampering case for coaches speaking to oneanother about positions with another team...

That is indeed tampering if Norv was trying to "coax" Rivera into the job before Sunday...

You simply cannot talk to coaches about going to work for someone else without permission...

 

[Beast_from_East]

You didn't put it to rest. If it can be shown that Norv was acting as an agent for the Cowboys, it's likely that it would be considered tampering.

Almost no chance that would stick. Norv is not associated with the Boyz in any way, he is not an employee and he is not on the payroll.

It could only be tampering if Norv was actually associated with the Boyz.

Rivera himself said he has not had any contact with the Cowboys organization.

No way tampering charges stick, besides Chicago is not going to pay the guy anyways, so why does it even matter?

 

[DizzG]

You didn't put it to rest. If it can be shown that Norv was acting as an agent for the Cowboys, it's likely that it would be considered tampering.

and that would be pretty damn hard to prove..unless Rivera or Turner just admitted it...if any of this stuff is true..which I doubt. Tampering charges are very hard to prove and this situation is just absurd

Turner is employed by another team right now and hasnt even been hired for anything with Dallas as of yet...and considering Turner was in town to support his brother whose to say he wasnt there to talk with him on Friday and happened to talk to Rivera? How could it be proven they talked about Dallas or anything like that? what if someone saw the two together at the hotel and assumed they were "meeting" about something? Its just silly

Someone would have to have some recorded converstation or something

get back to me when anything happens.

 

[Chuck 54]

Why would Rivera make a lateral move? And why would Chicago let him? I don't see him coming here for anything other than HC.

Chicago has absolutely no control over Ron Rivera...they have let him run out his contract...they have no rights.

 

[Hunter71]

Almost no chance that would stick. Norv is not associated with the Boyz in any way, he is not an employee and he is not on the payroll.

It could only be tampering if Norv was actually associated with the Boyz.

Rivera himself said he has not had any contact with the Cowboys organization.

No way tampering charges stick, besides Chicago is not going to pay the guy anyways, so why does it even matter?

Really?...

So the Bears don't bring up the issue with the Commish that Turner was trying to pry away a coach before that coach is allowed to be spoken to about a job?...

You actually think the Bears wouldn't have a case especially when the coach in question, is widely considered the future coach of the Cowboys?...

You really think that JJ wouldn't get slammed with some kind of fine even though Norv isn't employed by the team?...

It doesn't matter...

He can't be solicited for the job BY ANYONE...

And what do you think the 9ers would do?...

Sit around and let Turner solicit other coaches for a team he's not working for?

Please...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You didn't put it to rest. If it can be shown that Norv was acting as an agent for the Cowboys, it's likely that it would be considered tampering.

 

[Sabu1]

Please get off this tampering stuff. Norv Turner doesn't work for the Cowboys yet and if he spoke to Rivera, so what? BTW, it is now pretty much known league wide that the Bears will let Rivera walk before their exclusive three week negotiating period ends. HC-Turner, OC-Garrett, DC-Rivera is pretty much a done deal unless Jerrah goes wheels off again and does something crazy. And he's certainly prone to do that.

 

[Skin]

You didn't put it to rest. If it can be shown that Norv was acting as an agent for the Cowboys, it's likely that it would be considered tampering.

Consider it sleeping in a king size bed. There is no tampering.

 

[DizzG]

Really?...

So the Bears don't bring up the issue with the Commish that Turner was trying to pry away a coach before that coach is allowed to be spoken to about a job?...

You actually think the Bears wouldn't have a case especially when the coach in question, is widely considered the future coach of the Cowboys?...

You really think that JJ wouldn't get slammed with some kind of fine even though Norv isn't employed by the team?...

It doesn't matter...

He can't be solicited for the job BY ANYONE...

And what do you think the 9ers would do?...

Sit around and let Turner solicit other coaches for a team he's not working for?

Please...

you are putting the cart before the horse. some report says Turner was seen with Rivera at the team hotel (nevermind Turners brother would be there as well) and that is now tampering? There could be several reasons why Turner was seen at that hotel if he was even there.

it would have to be PROVEN Turner was talking to Rivera about Dallas. At this point there is zero evidence to suggest or prove that.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

you are putting the cart before the horse. some report says Turner was seen with Rivera at the team hotel (nevermind Turners brother would be there as well) and that is now tampering?

it would have to be PROVEN Turner was talking to Rivera about Dallas. At this point there is zero evidence to suggest or prove that.

Norv could have been talking about Dallas on his own accord

'hey Ron, what do you think of me and you down in Dallas? me HC, you DC?'

unless someone is taping their conversations, noone is going to know exactly what was said, and noone can do anything about it

 

[Hunter71]

you are putting the cart before the horse. some report says Turner was seen with Rivera at the team hotel (nevermind Turners brother would be there as well) and that is now tampering? There could be several reasons why Turner was seen at that hotel if he was even there.

it would have to be PROVEN Turner was talking to Rivera about Dallas. At this point there is zero evidence to suggest or prove that.

Actually I'm not...

I'm replying to a comment that it wouldn't be considered tampering if Turner was soliciting Rivera...

 

[theogt]

Consider it sleeping in a king size bed. There is no tampering.

Because you say so? Gotcha. That's good enough for me.

 

[theogt]

and that would be pretty damn hard to prove..unless Rivera or Turner just admitted it...if any of this stuff is true..which I doubt. Tampering charges are very hard to prove and this situation is just absurd

Turner is employed by another team right now and hasnt even been hired for anything with Dallas as of yet...and considering Turner was in town to support his brother whose to say he wasnt there to talk with him on Friday and happened to talk to Rivera? How could it be proven they talked about Dallas or anything like that? what if someone saw the two together at the hotel and assumed they were "meeting" about something? Its just silly

Someone would have to have some recorded converstation or something

get back to me when anything happens.

Really? What's the burden of proof in a tampering case? How is the case appealled? Any idea? Or is this all just speculation?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Really? What's the burden of proof in a tampering case? How is the case appealled? Any idea? Or is this all just speculation?

there has to be evidence of an owner talking to a assistant still under contract

I see none here

 

[AbeBeta]

why? there is nothing to prevent Turner from talking to Rivera, and they know that

David

Come on -- it is clearly subverting the spirit of the rule.

 

[dbair1967]

Come on -- it is clearly subverting the spirit of the rule.

it is? they are a pair of asst coaches talking...

look folks, this isnt the first time this kind of stuff has ever gone on...quit acting like its some sort of felony type activity or something

and again, if the Bears had given this guy a contract extension, there'd be nothing to discuss now would there?

David

 

[theogt]

there has to be evidence of an owner talking to a assistant still under contract

I see none here

Really? What's the evidentiary requirement for a tampering case? Have you seen the arbitration agreements (assuming arbitration is the method for dispute resolution)?

 

[DizzG]

have you? you are the one on here acting like its some open and shut case with next to nothing out there as evidence