Did anyone else hear Adam S on NFLN tonight?

[theogt]

it is? they are a pair of asst coaches talking...

look folks, this isnt the first time this kind of stuff has ever gone on...quit acting like its some sort of felony type activity or something

and again, if the Bears had given this guy a contract extension, there'd be nothing to discuss now would there?

David

Strawmen -- set 'em up and dbair will slay them down.

 

[theogt]

have you? you are the one on here acting like its some open and shut case with next to nothing out there as evidence

I'm not acting like it's an open and shut case. I don't know what the outcome would be. What I did say was that I would be pretty upset if I was the Bear's owner or management.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Really? What's the evidentiary requirement for a tampering case? Have you seen the arbitration agreements (assuming arbitration is the method for dispute resolution)?

actually being witnessed conversing w/ an opposing team's assistant coach still under contract, some record that such a thing was going on, the NFL deals like any court of law, they look for evidence, circumstantial evidence doesnt cut it

 

[Beast_from_East]

Really?...

So the Bears don't bring up the issue with the Commish that Turner was trying to pry away a coach before that coach is allowed to be spoken to about a job?...

You actually think the Bears wouldn't have a case especially when the coach in question, is widely considered the future coach of the Cowboys?...

You really think that JJ wouldn't get slammed with some kind of fine even though Norv isn't employed by the team?...

It doesn't matter...

He can't be solicited for the job BY ANYONE...

And what do you think the 9ers would do?...

Sit around and let Turner solicit other coaches for a team he's not working for?

Please...

You are talking hypotheticals....if this and if that...........the fact of the matter is that Norv is the Offensive Coordinator of the 49ers, period.

Using your reasoning, any coach that MAY be hired in the future by an organization cannot talk to any assistant coach of another team without it being tampering.

WOW.........and I guess you have a recording of the exact conversation as well..............please

 

[theogt]

actually being witnessed conversing w/ an opposing team's assistant coach still under contract, some record that such a thing was going on, the NFL deals like any court of law, they look for evidence, circumstantial evidence doesnt cut it

Circumstantial evidence isn't sufficient? Do you have a citation for this statment? Any legal support for these statements? Or are you just guessing?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Circumstantial evidence isn't sufficient? Do you have a citation for this statment? Any legal support for these statements? Or are you just guessing?

give me one example of the NFL disciplining someone on a whim

just one, please

again, if an owner is actually caught speaking w/ an assistant from an opposing team still under contract, the NFL can't do a thing

 

[theogt]

give me one example of the NFL disciplining someone on a whim

just one, please

I'm not saying that circumstantial evidence is sufficient because I don't really know. You, however, are stating that it isn't. So do you have a citation?

Please, I just want to know where you're getting your information. I'd like to look at the rules. It looks like you're very positive about all this. Either you've looked at the rules or you're passing your opinion off as fact.

 

[AbeBeta]

it is? they are a pair of asst coaches talking...

look folks, this isnt the first time this kind of stuff has ever gone on...quit acting like its some sort of felony type activity or something

and again, if the Bears had given this guy a contract extension, there'd be nothing to discuss now would there?

David

Don't be silly -- if Norv is hired and this is verified then Jerry might be looking at a smackdown from the new commish. Extension or not, the Bears have window to work that out with him exclusively - and that is obviously being violated.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm not saying that circumstantial evidence is sufficient because I don't really know. You, however, are stating that it isn't. So do you have a citation?

Please, I just want to know where you're getting your information. I'd like to look at the rules. It looks like you're very positive about all this. Either you've looked at the rules or you're passing your opinion off as fact.

forget circumstantial evidence, that was a sub-point, my main point is that the NFL needs some sort of evidence ascertaining that an owner is/was indeed talking to an assistant under contract for another NFL team, or they won't act on it

 

[DizzG]

and that is obviously being violated.

it is? according to what?

 

[theogt]

forget circumstantial evidence, that was a sub-point, my main point is that the NFL needs some sort of evidence ascertaining that an owner is/was indeed talking to an assistant under contract for another NFL team, or they won't act on it

Well, I would assume that there would be some need for evidence. If it was in fact tampering, then it probably wouldn't be too hard to drum up a case and have some sort of penalty imposed.

The whole situation just doesn't seem kosher to me.

 

[Hunter71]

You are talking hypotheticals....if this and if that...........the fact of the matter is that Norv is the Offensive Coordinator of the 49ers, period.

Using your reasoning, any coach that MAY be hired in the future by an organization cannot talk to any assistant coach of another team without it being tampering.

WOW.........and I guess you have a recording of the exact conversation as well..............please

That's the whole point...

These are all hypotheticals at this point because no one is privvy to these conversations other than Rivera and Turner...

And you're completely missing the point here about the tampering...

Turner is STILL under contract with the Niners...He has not accepted anything so therefore, IF, he was talking to Rivera about a job that he can't even offer because he's still under the employ of the Niners, then the Niners would have an issue as well...

Turner CAN'T solicit other people for a job when he's employed by someone else.., GET IT!...

That's also a conflict of interest and works VERY well in the real world...

As for Rivera, NO ONE can talk to him about a position with another team since Rivera was under contract...

And that's the whole point of this forum, TO MAKE SPECULATIONS and INNUENDOS so give it a rest about "recording conversations"...

We're ALL speculating about this...

 

[Beast_from_East]

Don't be silly -- if Norv is hired and this is verified then Jerry might be looking at a smackdown from the new commish. Extension or not, the Bears have window to work that out with him exclusively - and that is obviously being violated.

Nothing is being violated. The Bears have 3 weeks to work out a new extension. During this time, Rivera cannot SIGN WITH ANOTHER TEAM.

Tampering is a very serious issue and the fine is usually draft picks. There must be concrete evidence that A MEMBER OF THE ORGANIZATION CONTACTED THE COACH IN QUESTION.

Last time I checked, Norv was the Offensive Coordinator of the 49ers, maybe the Bears need to file tampering charges against the 49ers???


Jerry has said that the tampering rules are very specific and that a team could "lose an opportunity" if the rules were violated. This taken with the fact Rivera himself said he has not been contacted by anybody in the Cowboys organization and that he found out about the interview from his wife in a cell phone call.

No tampering, end of story.

 

[Hunter71]

Nothing is being violated. The Bears have 3 weeks to work out a new extension. During this time, Rivera cannot SIGN WITH ANOTHER TEAM.

Tampering is a very serious issue and the fine is usually draft picks. There must be concrete evidence that A MEMBER OF THE ORGANIZATION CONTACTED THE COACH IN QUESTION.

Last time I checked, Norv was the Offensive Coordinator of the 49ers, maybe the Bears need to file tampering charges against the 49ers???


Jerry has said that the tampering rules are very specific and that a team could "lose an opportunity" if the rules were violated. This taken with the fact Rivera himself said he has not been contacted by anybody in the Cowboys organization and that he found out about the interview from his wife in a cell phone call.

No tampering, end of story.

Seriously...

You have no idea what you're talking about...

One has absolutely NOTHING to do with the other...

We're talking about BEFORE the SB when NO ONE can talk to Rivera about taking another job on behalf of HIS current employer or his POTENTIAL employer...Period...End of Story...

And what the hell do you call Turner contacting Rivera?...

Just a harmless conversation?...

Once Turner is hired, and then there is evidence that Turner solicited Rivera BEFORE the SB, JJ and the team are SCREWED...

Get it?...

Ain't that hard...

The NFL can easily connect the dots and call people in to find out if Turner began the process BEFORE the SB...

 

[theogt]

Nothing is being violated. The Bears have 3 weeks to work out a new extension. During this time, Rivera cannot SIGN WITH ANOTHER TEAM.

Tampering is a very serious issue and the fine is usually draft picks. There must be concrete evidence that A MEMBER OF THE ORGANIZATION CONTACTED THE COACH IN QUESTION.

Last time I checked, Norv was the Offensive Coordinator of the 49ers, maybe the Bears need to file tampering charges against the 49ers???


Jerry has said that the tampering rules are very specific and that a team could "lose an opportunity" if the rules were violated. This taken with the fact Rivera himself said he has not been contacted by anybody in the Cowboys organization and that he found out about the interview from his wife in a cell phone call.

No tampering, end of story.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but none of us know the facts of this situation well enough to state whether tampering has or has not occurred. At a minimum, we have a situation that looks pretty fishy. Trying to say that tampering certainly has not occurred is just as silly as saying tampering certainly has occurred.

 

[Beast_from_East]

That's the whole point...

These are all hypotheticals at this point because no one is privvy to these conversations other than Rivera and Turner...

And you're completely missing the point here about the tampering...

Turner is STILL under contract with the Niners...He has not accepted anything so therefore, IF, he was talking to Rivera about a job that he can't even offer because he's still under the employ of the Niners, then the Niners would have an issue as well...

Turner CAN'T solicit other people for a job when he's employed by someone else.., GET IT!...

That's also a conflict of interest and works VERY well in the real world...

As for Rivera, NO ONE can talk to him about a position with another team since Rivera was under contract...

And that's the whole point of this forum, TO MAKE SPECULATIONS and INNUENDOS so give it a rest about "recording conversations"...

We're ALL speculating about this...

Exactly, it is all speculating. So until some real evidence emerges that PROVES Dallas did anything wrong, tampering is a moot point.

Dallas is considered innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Hunter71]

Exactly, it is all speculating. So until some real evidence emerges that PROVES Dallas did anything wrong, tampering is a moot point.

Dallas is considered innocent until proven guilty.

That is the whole point...

We're debating hypotheticals here because of a report...

No charges have been pressed, no meetings have been called...

 

[Beast_from_East]

Seriously...

You have no idea what you're talking about...

One has absolutely NOTHING to do with the other...

We're talking about BEFORE the SB when NO ONE can talk to Rivera about taking another job on behalf of HIS current employer or his POTENTIAL employer...Period...End of Story...

And what the hell do you call Turner contacting Rivera?...

Just a harmless conversation?...

Once Turner is hired, and then there is evidence that Turner solicited Rivera BEFORE the SB, JJ and the team are SCREWED...

Get it?...

Ain't that hard...

The NFL can easily connect the dots and call people in to find out if Turner began the process BEFORE the SB...

Whatever dude, I dont see any tampering when a member or the 49ers coaching staff talks to Rivera, when his brother is the offensiver coordinator of the team.

Maybe thats why they are talking, you think.

Get back to me when you have some proof.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but none of us know the facts of this situation well enough to state whether tampering has or has not occurred. At a minimum, we have a situation that looks pretty fishy. Trying to say that tampering certainly has not occurred is just as silly as saying tampering certainly has occurred.

Dude, you sound like a cheerleader for tampering charges, what gives???

Get back to me when you have some proof.

 

[theogt]

Dude, you sound like a cheerleader for tampering charges, what gives???

Get back to me when you have some proof.

Another strawman slain.