Did anyone hear the Norm and Haley interview

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Great observation.

Millennials are very different cats. I'm around them all the time and GENERALLY -- As a group, non religious, everything has to be proven, don't trust banks, feel Boomers (me) climbed the corporate ladder and pulled it up behind them, poor social skills due to smart phones (they hate even talking on the phone), don't take criticism well and enjoy criticizing others but not in person and very pessimistic about their future with staggering social and technological changes coming in the next ten years (to their credit - much of it coming from them).

Now, I'm not sure this all applies to Gregory and you can't put a box around everybody (as I would not to all Millenials here on the boards) but all of us are products of our environment and upbringing.

I find it interesting that you slam an entire generation for backbiting and criticism in this forum using an anonymous handle. You trying to be ironical?

That lack of trust that you are getting is likely related to prejudice and smear campaigns that they read from random old people.

 

[Bigdog]

It sounds strange but there use to be a guy who hosted a technology show I watched, and he IS a millennial, he summed it up nice like 10 years ago by saying, "I think it is an over-stimulation of giving the youth too many options". In other words they only know the complication of what they want and how they want it with millions of options in technology and then they emulate that same type of philosophy, for lack of a better term, in their day to day personal relationships- IRL. Somehow the whole thing gets conflated and it becomes something of curse more than a convenience.

Exactly. There are so many options now a day and information is easily obtainable. A lot of the info we get now we would never got 20-30 years ago.

 

[CATCH17]

Welp athleticism hasnt been helping Gregory do a thing with Tyron Smith. Charles may be wacky but he knows how to rush the passer.

At the same time though... This whole thing is a grind..

Everyone saw how hard they were practicing today.


I don't blame them for not wanting to study all the time. You'd get burned out so quick in this environment if you don't get away from football every chance you get.

 

[Seven]

Haley is a nut bag. Big Al, local 104.3 the fan, was a DE for the Broncos during their SB runs. Drafted in the first by Cincinnati was inducted into the college hall of fame......with Charles. He said there is something wrong with this dude.......meaning Haley.

One of a kind ball player and one of a kind looney. Great mix, actually. On the field. Not so much behind the mic.

 

[windjc]

This thread sounds like a bunch of grumpy 'ol men. If you feel old and outdated, maybe you should live like the millennials that you are bashing on. Maybe it'll make you less grumpy.

 

[CrownCowboy]

Good grief. Its 1 week in and Haley is a drama queen. Take it with SALT please.

Yeah.

Let's give it some time fellas.

 

[Hoofbite]

Yeah.

Let's give it some time fellas.

Give it time for what?

 

[windjc]

Give it time for what?

Give Gregory time to show us his development, duh.

 

[Hoofbite]

Give Gregory time to show us his development, duh.

Development? Is taking advice and constructive criticism from successful people a learned ability?

Seems like a pretty obvious route to go. Being immature is one thing, but being reluctant to learn is another.

 

[CrownCowboy]

Development? Is taking advice and constructive criticism from successful people a learned ability?

Seems like a pretty obvious route to go. Being immature is one thing, but being reluctant to learn is another.

Reluctant to learn?

It's week one of training camp. Everything is going to be okay....

 

[rockj7]

Development? Is taking advice and constructive criticism from successful people a learned ability?

Seems like a pretty obvious route to go. Being immature is one thing, but being reluctant to learn is another.

Amen brother!
When you miss meetings with other teams during the draft then get busted for weed consumption are projected to be a top 5-10 pick and fall all the wayto the 2nd round you don't need to talk back to the towel boy let alone a 5x champion and hall of famer

 

[windjc]

Development? Is taking advice and constructive criticism from successful people a learned ability?

Seems like a pretty obvious route to go. Being immature is one thing, but being reluctant to learn is another.

You have no idea what the reality really is. And if you want to take Haley, of all people, as the authoritative source, then, LOL, go right ahead.

 

[jterrell]

Great observation.

Millennials are very different cats. I'm around them all the time and GENERALLY -- As a group, non religious, everything has to be proven, don't trust banks, feel Boomers (me) climbed the corporate ladder and pulled it up behind them, poor social skills due to smart phones (they hate even talking on the phone), don't take criticism well and enjoy criticizing others but not in person and very pessimistic about their future with staggering social and technological changes coming in the next ten years (to their credit - much of it coming from them).

Now, I'm not sure this all applies to Gregory and you can't put a box around everybody (as I would not to all Millenials here on the boards) but all of us are products of our environment and upbringing.

For a most part millennials are right. lol.
But yes this generation takes criticism very poorly.

As a coach this is something I have to constantly remind myself.

All that said Coach Wooden seldom criticized at all. His method works great on today's player and he was also the best in the world in the 60's.

Sometimes there is just a right way to do things.
I loved coaches who got after me and pushed me but these kids today don't understand that is a sign of respect and care.

So you just gotta drill it til it's right and focus on the good reps.

 

[erod]

I find it interesting that you slam an entire generation for backbiting and criticism in this forum using an anonymous handle. You trying to be ironical?

That lack of trust that you are getting is likely related to prejudice and smear campaigns that they read from random old people.

Fuzz, there is some truth to it.

When I got out of college, I knew I was about to go to work. I knew it would be competitive. We were prepped for it to be that way. I had no false illusions going into my first opportunities.

Now, I interview these MBAs, and they think it's $120K out of the box and a big office. They think they know things because they are tech savvy and "educated". They don't realize that they don't know crap, and that their degree simply got them a chance, not a greased path to wealth and weekends off. I can't tell you how many I've had to let go. Countless.

And socially, they're woefully inept. I don't know if it's too many online classes or their smart phones, but they struggle communicating effectively, even in written form. They are too used to texting and emojis. I also think the internet has made college assignments so easy to do without really working hard, and it translates to the work environment.

 

[Bungarian]

In Rod we trust.

 

[jterrell]

Haley was an all pro five time world champion and now a hall of famer.
When you are that special, we mere humans will look average to you.

Outliers like Haley have generally made terrible coaches in any sport.

Charles thrived on an edge and hatefulness that made his own teammates enemies.
He was plum crazy.
But that worked for him and got him to the HoF.
Most people it would just get them cut.

I do think the message here was a good one and probably what Gregory needs to hear


Woody talked about Campo being hard on him at first then Zimmer amping that up to insane levels.
But few players can handle that type of constant criticism.
It requires a very large ego.
Most of these kids are far more self-aware and thus less confident.

We had a ton of kids dominate local sports that had huge egos but now that local kid is going to get pushed to a higher level fo comp and eventually realize he isn't that great.

 

[AsthmaField]

He said he tells Gregory something but Gregory comes across like I think I should do it like this kind of attitude

First off, Gregory was likely actually thinking, "I think I will listen to Marinelli and what he tells me to do."

Secondly, it is Charles Haley. Since when has he been the bearer of sage advice and level headed thinking?

Look, I loved Haley. His attitude was perfect for a DE. He certainly was one of the best pass rushers of the last quarter century or so and I'm sure that he is giving solid advice to Gregory.

However, it has been one week of his first ever training camp. Haley's advice isn't the only tutoring that he's been getting. He has Leon Lett, and Rod Marinelli telling him what to do. He probably has the special teams coach telling him what to do. I'm sure his mind is spinning with everything that he's been told to do the past week. It would almost be impossible to implement everything that Haley has shown him.

Besides, I'm sure Gregory is doing what the coaches tell him to do at that time. If Marinelli wants him to work on his bull rush, then that's what he will be doing. For all we know Haley told Gregory that a bull rush isn't his cup of tea because of how light he is. Then, when Hardy sees him trying a bull rush (that Marinelli asked for), Haley thinks that the kid is ignoring his advice.

By all other accounts, Gregory has done any and everything asked of him since being drafted by Dallas.

Haley's thoughts won't get me in an uproar at this point.

 

[jterrell]

Fuzz, there is some truth to it.

When I got out of college, I knew I was about to go to work. I knew it would be competitive. We were prepped for it to be that way. I had no false illusions going into my first opportunities.

Now, I interview these MBAs, and they think it's $120K out of the box and a big office. They think they know things because they are tech savvy and "educated". They don't realize that they don't know crap, and that their degree simply got them a chance, not a greased path to wealth and weekends off. I can't tell you how many I've had to let go. Countless.

And socially, they're woefully inept. I don't know if it's too many online classes or their smart phones, but they struggle communicating effectively, even in written form. They are too used to texting and emojis. I also think the internet has made college assignments so easy to do without really working hard, and it translates to the work environment.

25 year old college grads have always been socially inept.

College degrees are largely meaningless (because you are not learning anything related to a future job a huge percentage of the time) yet these kids are being told to go get them. An MBA has put in a great deal of effort (and spent 100k at times) to get a degree that is worth 50k a year coming out. That's just sad.

Old people have always struggled ot relate to younger people. That's hardly new. It's every generation.
20 years ago 40 year olds thought 20 year year olds were mostly stupid, lazy and useless.

 

[Crown Royal]

25 year old college grads have always been socially inept.

College degrees are largely meaningless (because you are not learning anything related to a future job a huge percentage of the time) yet these kids are being told to go get them. An MBA has put in a great deal of effort (and spent 100k at times) to get a degree that is worth 50k a year coming out. That's just sad.

Old people have always struggled ot relate to younger people. That's hardly new. It's every generation.
20 years ago 40 year olds thought 20 year year olds were mostly stupid, lazy and useless.

Lol this so much.

Also, I'm pretty sure that 20 years ago if you had earned a bachellor and an advanced degree such as an MBA, it was pretty expected that you would be hyper competitive for a $120/year salaried job (or whatever the equivalent was accounting for inflation). That someone who has put the work in to earn that expects the same today is not so much about entitlement as it is about the current state of the worker.

 

[erod]

25 year old college grads have always been socially inept.

College degrees are largely meaningless (because you are not learning anything related to a future job a huge percentage of the time) yet these kids are being told to go get them. An MBA has put in a great deal of effort (and spent 100k at times) to get a degree that is worth 50k a year coming out. That's just sad.

Old people have always struggled ot relate to younger people. That's hardly new. It's every generation.
20 years ago 40 year olds thought 20 year year olds were mostly stupid, lazy and useless.

Understand, this isn't the entire lot. I've also hired some good ones.

And no, the degrees aren't meaningless because you can't even get in the door in most companies without one. It's a requirement. MBAs are truly valuable in the right context.

Mostly, you can tell a lot about a kid's upbringing. People just don't raise their kids anymore. Too many kids are ignored or "befriended" by their parents, and they have excuses made for them at every turn. It's the participation ribbon effect.

But there are still good ones out there coming out of college. Just have to look harder and screen them better.

Funny, but after all these years, a proper handshake and intent look in the eye is still very telling. I can't tell you how many dead fish handshakes are out there.