Did anyone hear the Norm and Haley interview

[DoctorChicken]

I'm a young dude who dropped out of college, is very socially adequate, owns a smartphone and makes good money in a creative business.

Blamo!

 

[jterrell]

I have a BS in Microbiology with a double-minor in Mathematics / Chemistry... and I literally can't find a job, lol.

you should apply with oil and pharmaceutical companies imho.

 

[AsthmaField]

you should apply with oil and pharmaceutical companies imho.

Yeah, maybe I will. Would be really nice to use my education.

 

[jterrell]

All that is fine and true. However, an MBA can be a prerequisite in many instances to get the opportunity to get the real opportunity.

The smart thing for an MBA to do is get a good corporate sales job first with a management growth plan. Prove it there, and the sky is the limit. Sales, especially high-level involved types of sales, is the number one problem to solve.

And anyone who has ever hired a salesman will take one with experience over an MBA EVERY DAY.
They'd rather a sales guy have a psychology degree then Business, lol.

Sales is a talent and can be sharpened, not really anything you learn in business school.

A lot of companies make the mistake you are though in thinking sales is the leading problem.

The leading problem is creating something worth selling. Be it a service or product the good is what is most important.
Good products sell themselves long after salesman has moved on and taken his commission.

Look at a guy like Mark Cuban. What makes him special and very rich is finding those products.

 

[jterrell]

Yeah, maybe I will. Would be really nice to use my education.

I have a cousin who teaches college Chemistry.
That's always a fallback solution for you.

 

[CashMan]

I have a cousin who teaches college Chemistry.
That's always a fallback solution for you.

You mean, High School, and he recently found out he had cancer....

 

[Fletch]

WTH happened to this thread? Went from Haley's crazy interview, to a pissin contest regarding various college degrees and jobs.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzz, there is some truth to it.

When I got out of college, I knew I was about to go to work. I knew it would be competitive. We were prepped for it to be that way. I had no false illusions going into my first opportunities.

Now, I interview these MBAs, and they think it's $120K out of the box and a big office. They think they know things because they are tech savvy and "educated". They don't realize that they don't know crap, and that their degree simply got them a chance, not a greased path to wealth and weekends off. I can't tell you how many I've had to let go. Countless.

And socially, they're woefully inept. I don't know if it's too many online classes or their smart phones, but they struggle communicating effectively, even in written form. They are too used to texting and emojis. I also think the internet has made college assignments so easy to do without really working hard, and it translates to the work environment.

Truth? It's lazy shorthand to try and figure people out on a personal level. MBAs being worthless throwaway degrees is not a new sentiment in corporate caste management systems. You continuing the game is nothing new and it hardly speaks to an entire generation.

One trait I see in Boomers including yourself is a huge lack of introspection. Thing is that I have read, seen, heard about the 60s and 70s when the boomers were coming up in a time analogous to today's kids. Your predecessors labeled you as lazy, drug-addled hippies and criminals and they had all manner of examples to choose from too. Boomers really shouldn't throw stones.

 

[xwalker]

WTH happened to this thread? Went from Haley's crazy interview, to a pissin contest regarding various college degrees and jobs.

I've concluded that erod is Milton from office space. Where's my stapler...

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I've concluded that erod is Milton from office space. Where's my stapler...

Peter cannot read or write.

 

[erod]

And anyone who has ever hired a salesman will take one with experience over an MBA EVERY DAY.
They'd rather a sales guy have a psychology degree then Business, lol.

Sales is a talent and can be sharpened, not really anything you learn in business school.

A lot of companies make the mistake you are though in thinking sales is the leading problem.

The leading problem is creating something worth selling. Be it a service or product the good is what is most important.
Good products sell themselves long after salesman has moved on and taken his commission.

Look at a guy like Mark Cuban. What makes him special and very rich is finding those products.

Wow, I couldn't disagree more. I'm not talking about selling widgets. You can train a monkey to do that.

I'm talking about selling conceptually-based and renewable RMR-based ancillary products and services to C-level people in a position that requires off-hours relationship building, public speaking in large groups, expert panel discussion opportunities, web-based communications, marketing involvement, and professional communication skills across a lot of different platforms. I'm talking about walking into a nationwide company and selling a software platform or a security solution to implement across their entire portfolio. These are $1 million plus sales.

Positions like these not only build a large network of contacts, it allows the sales person to learn the industries they sell to, and develop a good understanding of the Operations side of their company.

The result is an extremely well-rounded problem-solving business leader that can take on a management role with confidence and experience that they couldn't have gotten holed away in an Operations or IT department.

A smart MBA grad (which isn't entirely necessary but very helpful) looks for a chance to get into a company and quickly be promoted into one of these sales positions. Might take a job change or two to get there over a five-year period. It's tough, but can be fun and challenging. And when trying to find young talent, I look for people that have gone through the rigors of grad school and excelled. If they aren't expecting everything at once, they can do very well in fairly short order.

There's a reason the best CEOs on the planet have sales backgrounds, not operations backgrounds.

And Mark Cuban hasn't even closed a free agent of note yet. Not the best example. He's a talented guy, but he more than lucked into his billion dollars.

 

[Crown Royal]

WTH happened to this thread? Went from Haley's crazy interview, to a pissin contest regarding various college degrees and jobs.

Alas, training camp really doesn't provide enough compelling information to make a good thread last. Need the first preseason game for that. You know, when we look terrible, lose by twenty, do everything wrong and are doomed.

 

[erod]

I'm a young dude who dropped out of college, is very socially adequate, owns a smartphone and makes good money in a creative business.

Blamo!

Hey, never would I suggest there's not a lot of ways to get there. Hard workers who work smart succeed ALWAYS. Regardless.

 

[RS12]

I have a BS in Microbiology with a double-minor in Mathematics / Chemistry... and I literally can't find a job, lol.

Cheaper, dumber, younger is the motto in today's working world.

 

[Hoofbite]

You have no idea what the reality really is. And if you want to take Haley, of all people, as the authoritative source, then, LOL, go right ahead.

Just like everyone else.

What I won't do however is just flat out dismiss criticisms of the guy just because I don't like it. I'm not even sure why Charles Haley would be an unreliable source. Like he doesn't know what it takes to play in the NFL?

 

[JDSmith]

What's this thing called "book"?

Old Testament texting

 

[Bullflop]

Charles was just trying to explain to Randy that he'll have to develop some moves, rather than relying on his athleticism to get the job done in pro ball. I dunno, maybe Randy didn't like the way Charles presented that information to him, as he can be somewhat untactful at times -- but I'm just guessing here, of course.

It's something that Randy needs to hear and accept, though, and he'll probably figure it out and be glad he heard it early-on in the longrun. I think Randy is likely the sensitive type and maybe Haley isn't always one to take the most gentle approach. We'll eventually see if it sinks in, though.

 

[Sarge]

STAY ON TOPIC OR THREAD WILL BE CLOSED.

 

[Vintage]

Great observation.

Millennials are very different cats. I'm around them all the time and GENERALLY -- As a group, non religious, everything has to be proven, don't trust banks, feel Boomers (me) climbed the corporate ladder and pulled it up behind them, poor social skills due to smart phones (they hate even talking on the phone), don't take criticism well and enjoy criticizing others but not in person and very pessimistic about their future with staggering social and technological changes coming in the next ten years (to their credit - much of it coming from them).

Now, I'm not sure this all applies to Gregory and you can't put a box around everybody (as I would not to all Millenials here on the boards) but all of us are products of our environment and upbringing.

What is wrong with being non religious?

Or not wanting to talk on a phone?

 

[fishspill]

Yeah, maybe I will. Would be really nice to use my education.

Might look into PA school. You communicate well and if you like working with people it's a good fit.

To contribute to the topic at hand, Haley is fine on his meds. I don't doubt his observations but when something begins to sound like the same generational tripe I've read time and again from centuries of people I tend to be dismissive. I am thankful to have an expert input into the subtle aspects of doing the job on hand to help the players though.