Dink & Dunk Debunked -- Prescott and Average Depth of Completion

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As Dak gains more experience the longer pass will become more prevalent.

He seems to do well with play-action and that will eventually lead to longer downfield passes.
 
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FuzzyLumpkins said:
They have specifically stated they have not changed the offense for Dak. They run 9 and post routes. Romo threw the ball deep twice as often. We scored more two years ago then we are now. This notion that the deep ball is a detriment is bankrupt.
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Did we score as much during the first five games?

The offense is looking more efficient and seemingly scoring more at will every game. Can't really compare 5 games to a whole season. If the numbers were the same but Romo was the QB, nobody would say "well we were better in 2014 when we threw the ball deeper".

Personally, I don't think the deep ball matters at all as long we are scoring points.
 
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FuzzyLumpkins said:
They have specifically stated they have not changed the offense for Dak. They run 9 and post routes. Romo threw the ball deep twice as often. We scored more two years ago then we are now. This notion that the deep ball is a detriment is bankrupt.
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I don't think the deep ball is a detriment. I think it's a case of the offensive coordinator "protecting" Dak from turnovers and a lack of Dez Bryant.

By this point in 2014 Dez had 32 receptions and 6 TD's. This season... 11 receptions and 1 TD.

I do think the longer pass will become a more prevalent part of the offense.
 
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Dak doesn't dink and dunk only the biased media like Cowherd are on that bandwagon.

He hasn't hit on any bombs yet so I guess his average is middle of the pack. You tell me with a straight face dak can't go deep then just look at that bomb in preseason. Just a rocket righr before he gets lit up.
 
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robjay04 said:
Did we score as much during the first five games?

The offense is looking more efficient and seemingly scoring more at will every game. Can't really compare 5 games to a whole season. If the numbers were the same but Romo was the QB, nobody would say "well we were better in 2014 when we threw the ball deeper".

Personally, I don't think the deep ball matters at all as long we are scoring points.
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The offense is off about 3 ppg as compared to 2014.

The loss of Dez has had an affect, but also the offense averages less drives per game than in 2014 (someone had posted those numbers) and if you figured it on a points-per-drive, the two seasons were pretty comparable.
 
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waldoputty said:
yep, would like to see a flea-flicker some time, though not necessary
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Exactly.

I think you'll start to see the offense become a little more exotic.

Quite frankly they haven't needed it the last two games.

They've been winning convincingly and probably have felt they could keep their "powder dry".
 
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FuzzyLumpkins said:
They have specifically stated they have not changed the offense for Dak. They run 9 and post routes. Romo threw the ball deep twice as often. We scored more two years ago then we are now. This notion that the deep ball is a detriment is bankrupt.
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Throws of over 20 yards certainly aren't a detriment, because the more of those you complete, the more likely you are to score from anywhere on the field. Some of our drives that end in punts would end in TD if we had more successful 20+ yard throws. Also, even though deeper throws mean more risk of INT, the quick scores that result from them mean fewer plays per drive -- and fewer chances to make drive-killing mistakes.

Right now, we're in the top 5 in TD per drive, fewest turnovers per drive, and fewest punts per drive. Is it sustainable without an increase of big plays? That remains to be seen, but through five weeks, this offense has outscored the 2014 version on a per-drive basis. The 2014 offense has the edge in per-game scoring only because of having more drives per game.
 
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MichaelWinicki said:
The offense is off about 3 ppg as compared to 2014.

The loss of Dez has had an affect, but also the offense averages less drives per game than in 2014 (someone had posted those numbers) and if you figured it on a points-per-drive, the two seasons were pretty comparable.
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Yeah plus we are comparing 5 games to 16...

Truthfully, I feel about the same I did in 2014 at the same time period. Cautiously optimistic.
 
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Throws of over 20 yards certainly aren't a detriment, because the more of those you complete, the more likely you are to score from anywhere on the field. Some of our drives that end in punts would end in TD if we had more successful 20+ yard throws. Also, even though deeper throws mean more risk of INT, the quick scores that result from them mean fewer plays per drive -- and fewer chances to make drive-killing mistakes.

Right now, we're in the top 5 in TD per drive, fewest turnovers per drive, and fewest punts per drive. Is it sustainable without an increase of big plays? That remains to be seen, but through five weeks, this offense has outscored the 2014 version on a per-drive basis. The 2014 offense has the edge in per-game scoring only because of having more drives per game.
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Less drives in 2016 because we have longer more-time-consuming drives in 2016?
 
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percyhoward said:
Throws of over 20 yards certainly aren't a detriment, because the more of those you complete, the more likely you are to score from anywhere on the field. Some of our drives that end in punts would end in TD if we had more successful 20+ yard throws. Also, even though deeper throws mean more risk of INT, the quick scores that result from them mean fewer plays per drive -- and fewer chances to make drive-killing mistakes.

Right now, we're in the top 5 in TD per drive, fewest turnovers per drive, and fewest punts per drive. Is it sustainable without an increase of big plays? That remains to be seen, but through five weeks, this offense has outscored the 2014 version on a per-drive basis. The 2014 offense has the edge in per-game scoring only because of having more drives per game.
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Dak is very good at ball control offense but his RZ completion percentage is well below average and because of that and the lack of the long ball we rely on the running game to score.

I think the OL and RB are better this year than 2014. It's also scoring over 2/3 of our scores.

If we cannot run the ball then we are going to settle for a lot more FG and that yards per drive is going to diminish. I can see a DC like Capers exploiting our tendencies and making life difficult for the offense.
 
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robjay04 said:
Did we score as much during the first five games?

The offense is looking more efficient and seemingly scoring more at will every game. Can't really compare 5 games to a whole season. If the numbers were the same but Romo was the QB, nobody would say "well we were better in 2014 when we threw the ball deeper".

Personally, I don't think the deep ball matters at all as long we are scoring points.
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The running game is 11 of 15 TDs. Dak's completion percentage in the red zone goes in the toilet dropping ~30%.

If we cannot run the ball we are going to have trouble scoring.
 
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good stats very interesting
there is this hint going on that Dak isnt as good as we think or as Tony?
i have no idea the answer to this question. is there a correlation with throwing longer than 20 yards and turnovers?
we very much need a REAL deep threat, not guys that we think should get deep.
i dont know they have to be a vet since the purpose is deep.
another thread had a potential draft pick Washington from ok st that would be nice
i imagine the stats would change some
 
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