Ditka and Keyshawn: "I'd take Romo as my QB"

[CooterBrown]

He is also a in the HOF as a player and earned a SB ring as a coach. Dismissing Ditka's knowledge of the game and of players because he made a few errors (who doesn't) is inane.

He earned a SB ring as a player too. Caught a TD pass from Roger Staubach in the Superbowl.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

Garrett just said that Romo was the one in the wrong on that play. Said Romo should have checked down to Murray.

i havent ever taken what garrett says as fact and i wouldnt start now LOL

he probably also said "its a process"

fact is, romo can shoulder the blame much better than rookie escobar could. garrett moved where the blame should be to protect a more fragile rook

 

[BAT]

And if you see where the ball was thrown, there were three defenders breaking for the point within 4 yards of the play. Maybe watching the play again will help you see what happened, instead of looking at someone else's grainy still-shot.

You must be hallucinating. There were no defenders breaking for the ball, let alone within 4 yards of the play, when Romo decided to throw that pass. Those defenders rotated to the ball after it was thrown.

When was the last time you actually played this game? Grainy still shots are better than a grainy memory, or worse, misinterpretation of the play in real time.

 

[theebs]

i havent ever taken what garrett says as fact and i wouldnt start now LOL

he probably also said "its a process"

fact is, romo can shoulder the blame much better than rookie escobar could. garrett moved where the blame should be to protect a more fragile rook

That's the misunderstanding here.

No one is to blame. ( Howard jones)

It was the same type of play romo went for all day only this time one of his lineman ran into him altering the throw.....the linebacker made a tremendous play which no one wants to acknowledge.

Had Bruce carter or sean lee made that play on manning all anyone would talk about is what a great play it was by lee or carter.

It was just bad luck for romo that his lineman hit him but it was still a great defensive play.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

So when you go back and review this game I fully expect you to want romo to take the check down all the time.

He made a number of huge plays by going for the bigger play all day, so if you want the check downs you should have wanted it all game. Please tell us which big plays you would like to have back for a check down, I'll wait for your specifics.
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It was 2nd and 16 and he had an open Escobar for a big gain so just like the rest of he game that is where the ball went.

I'm sure you probably would and just so you can sleep, if we are playing a team that we haven't stopped all day and we are tied up with 2:36 in the 4th Quarter, on our own 20, guess what, it's not going to be check down. It's going to be run the ball but, if in the very likely event that they elect to throw again, then absofreakenlutely, throw the ball to the open man. If the open man is running free down the sideline, throw it to him. If it's running a square out, throw it to him. It it's Dez on a double move, then throw it to him but if it's Murray sitting wide open on the check down, they yep, that's the play.

And just so there is Zero confusion on this, I've already watched that game again and I see nothing that changes my opinion.

 

[BaybeeJay]

You must be hallucinating. There were no defenders breaking for the ball, let alone within 4 yards of the play, when Romo decided to throw that pass. Those defenders rotated to the ball after it was thrown.

When was the last time you actually played this game? Grainy still shots are better than a grainy memory, or worse, misinterpretation of the play in real time.

Those players rotating towards the ball after the throw don't affect the degree of difficulty of the play? Hmmm. . . Someone likes to brute force their logic, as opposed to actually discussing issues.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

That's the misunderstanding here.

No one is to blame. ( Howard jones)

It was the same type of play romo went for all day only this time one of his lineman ran into him altering the throw.....the linebacker made a tremendous play which no one wants to acknowledge.

Had Bruce carter or sean lee made that play on manning all anyone would talk about is what a great play it was by lee or carter.

It was just bad luck for romo that his lineman hit him but it was still a great defensive play.

oh i dont disagree their either

 

[theebs]

I'm sure you probably would and just so you can sleep, if we are playing a team that we haven't stopped all day and we are tied up with 2:36 in the 4th Quarter, on our own 20, guess what, it's not going to be check down. It's going to be run the ball but, if in the very likely event that they elect to throw again, then absofreakenlutely, throw the ball to the open man. If the open man is running free down the sideline, throw it to him. If it's running a square out, throw it to him. It it's Dez on a double move, then throw it to him but if it's Murray sitting wide open on the check down, they yep, that's the play.

Just as I thought.

 

[CooterBrown]

Bill Parcells is shaking his head somewhere. Two mistakes by two rookies and one mistake by the guy he said had to be coached a lot. Frederick let his guy get upfield on him so Leary had to come over into Tony's path, and Escobar fails to run the route correctly. Add in Williams' fumble last week, and it is easy to see that those are the kind of plays that make coaches hesitant to start rookies. Hopefully they will all learn and be veteran ready for the playoffs.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Just as I thought.

No, I'm afraid I will have to disagree. I am not convinced that you put any thought into this post at all.

 

[BAT]

Those players rotating towards the ball after the throw doesn't affect the degree of difficulty of the play? Hmmm. . . Someone likes to brute force their logic, as opposed to actually discussing issues.

Escobar was open. There was no triple coverage. Both fact. How is that for brute force logic?

 

[theebs]

Bill Parcells is shaking his head somewhere. Two mistakes by two rookies and one mistake by the guy he said had to be coached a lot. Frederick let his guy get upfield on him so Leary had to come over into Tony's path, and Escobar fails to run the route correctly. Add in Williams' fumble last week, and it is easy to see that those are the kind of plays that make coaches hesitant to start rookies. Hopefully they will all learn and be veteran ready for the playoffs.

Williams made a huge mistake on the drive before the half. He should have stepped out of bounds instead he tried to be a hero and it cost us a chance at throwing the ball into the end zone before the half.

Sure would have liked a chance at four more points there.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Escobar was open. There was no triple coverage. Both fact. How is that for brute force logic?

But surely you understand that the better option is to throw to the player that is not covered? I mean, I guess I don't understand the mindset.

 

[BaybeeJay]

Escobar was open. There was no triple coverage. Both fact. How is that for brute force logic?

Those defenders, in their position, force the throw into a particular spot. This makes the throw more difficult than throwing to a receiver with no defenders near him. No, I have not played football in some time.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Williams made a huge mistake on the drive before the half. He should have stepped out of bounds instead he tried to be a hero and it cost us a chance at throwing the ball into the end zone before the half.

Sure would have liked a chance at four more points there.

He also made a huge play. What player on the team has never made a mistake?

 

[BaybeeJay]

But surely you understand that the better option is to throw to the player that is not covered? I mean, I guess I don't understand the mindset.

It seems, to BAT, Escobar was just as open as Murray was. So there is no argument...

 

[BaybeeJay]

Williams made a huge mistake on the drive before the half. He should have stepped out of bounds instead he tried to be a hero and it cost us a chance at throwing the ball into the end zone before the half.

Sure would have liked a chance at four more points there.

Not a huge mistake, if you ask me. He gained an additional 5 yards, that he likely could not have gotten had he stepped out or took a sideline angle. It's unlikely that we score a 35-40 yard touchdown. Lots of opportunities to not get points from that field position.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Why would Romo not work through his progressions and go automatically to his check down receiver (even Garrett called Murray the check down)? Escobar was open when Romo made the decision to throw that pass. Whether you agree with that or not.

You wouldn't do that because if you read the safety and the LB drops, you should know that you have the RB uncovered and if you have already taken a loss on 1st down, you know that you must take the smart play there. Romo had to know that he was uncovered. You take the open guy and either make the 1st or get yourself in a manageable position for 3rd. The game is on the line and the one thing you can not do, under any circumstances is give the other team time and field position. I mean, it's not as if Romo didn't have time. He did have time and I'm OK with taking a look to see if you have a big play but if it's not there, then take the smart play and live to play another down. We saw Manning do that all day long with his backs.

 

[BAT]

It seems, to BAT, Escobar was just as open as Murray was. So there is no argument...

It was 2nd and 16, and Romo made the right read. Escobar was open, he let it fly. It would be counter to how Romo was playing that afternoon to ignore the open down field receiver so he can throw it to the check down shallow receiver. It just so happened Romo was interfered with on the throw and the defender made an amazing play.

If Romo throws to the check down and then he fumbles/drops pass, guess what? You and everyone else who disdains Romo would be pointing out all the other open down field receivers. I mean remember the Witten drop down the seam against San Diego??? The clamor was that Romo was wrong to throw to Witten when Beasley was MORE open underneath. Never mind that Witten let the ball bounce right off his numbers.

Same principle.

 

[theebs]

But surely you understand that the better option is to throw to the player that is not covered? I mean, I guess I don't understand the mindset.

You need to study then. Romo has always pushed the ball down the field.

Go back and watch all of his before the half or end of game drives, he almost never takes the check down because having a sure completion because it requires no risk will not win you the game.

Off the top of my head I can think of five late game winning/half ending drives where he fired the ball down the middle into traffic making big plays while giving up the easy sure 5 yd play.

The 2009 gw drive against Washington romo repeatedly threw to witten with incredibly tight windows and because of it we won the game.

So if you want him to check down and if you think it's the right play, I'm sorry you have not learned anything over the 7 years he as been the qb.

On 2nd and 16 at your own 14 knowing you have two plays to get a first down or you punt and lose its insane to expect a check down.