Dixie Flag controversy

[Manwiththeplan]

Did I state that they did?

you stated you'd have a problem with it, when no one suggested that the government would tell people they can't have them. considering that **** flags are perfectly legal, it's not even reasonable to believe the government would take the action you brought up

 

[Rockport]

So every time something is painful or offensive it should be removed? Where does it end? Even "thug" is now racist.

When?

No, just anything racist. I've never heard anyone say the word "thug" is racist. The confederate flag has long been known to be a symbol of racist hate.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

I struggle with topic. Although I never directly viewed the "Confederate" flag as a symbol of slavery, I am sympathetic to others that could. The history of the world is filled with episodes of enslavement. This country and its forefathers were slave owners. Where I struggle....should George Washington, Thomas Jefferson be removed from history books and US currency?

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

I struggle with topic. Although I never directly viewed the "Confederate" flag as a symbol of slavery, I am sympathetic to others that could. The history of the world is filled with episodes of enslavement. This country and its forefathers were slave owners. Where I struggle....should George Washington, Thomas Jefferson be removed from history books and US currency?

You can find black marks on pretty much any president. Even Lincoln had some faults.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Obviously not for you but for black people it certainly is.

It wasnt, nor is it for anybody.

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

The version we see today is not the original "stars and bars" but actually the battle flag of the northern Virginia Army. Somewhere down the road this version was hijacked by racist groups and wackos giving the flag a bad rap. This is insanity and a dangerous slippery slope. Whats next? Book burnings? For a bit Amazon removed product with any replicas of said flag, certain retailers removed the flag from their inventory and Apple removed all games from their library that were civil war related. What about all of the Army bases named after Confederate officers? Are we going to rename them so no one is offended?

The inmates are running the asylum.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I facepalm at the extremism.

 

[iceberg]

No, just anything racist. I've never heard anyone say the word "thug" is racist. The confederate flag has long been known to be a symbol of racist hate.

Look around you. They were not allowed to call the nice young misunderstood youths "thugs" because it is the new "n" word. This is what I mean, everything is being made racist.

 

[DallasEast]

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On December 27, 1860, Major Robert Anderson evacuated the U.S. force from Fort Moultrie in Charleston Harbor to Fort Sumter, spiking the guns and cutting down the flagpole. “No other flag but the Stars and Stripes shall ever float from that staff,” he said. Early in the morning on April 14, 1861, James Chesnut gave the order for the first shot to be fired at Fort Sumter. When Anderson surrendered, South Carolina’s Governor Francis W. Pickens, who had introduced the Ordinance of Secession, proclaimed, “I can here say to you it is the first time in the history of this country that the stars and stripes have been humbled. That flag has never before been lowered before any nation on this earth. But today it has been humbled, and humbled before the glorious little State of South Carolina.” “Our flag,” recorded Mary Chesnut, “is flying there.”

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/confederate-flag-south-carolina-history/396695/

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I believe the same question, which could be posed of Mrs. Chesnut, can be asked of Americans today.

What is our flag?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

It wasnt, nor is it for anybody.

So when the KKK uses it, it's not a racist symbol? Or when ****'s in Europe (where the **** flag is illegal) use, it's not a clear substitute?

 

[JoeKing]

So if it offends, remove it? When did most folks get so intolerant to offense? It is an inanimate object that can not hurt you. It only has negative power if that's what you give it. Not everyone sees it as a symbol of racism, why should those folks fold to the will of those that do? Thicker skin and tolerance for differing views is sorely lacking these days. If it were just a case of moving it to a place were it had historical relevance then I see no problem with such action but sadly that is not what is happening. Amazon.com and Ebay has removed it from their inventory and It's image is being band by many other DotCom companies. This is nothing short of white washing history. It is wrong and marks a sad period in our history.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Look around you. They were not allowed to call the nice young misunderstood youths "thugs" because it is the new "n" word. This is what I mean, everything is being made racist.

The flag for people who fought to uphold slavery is clearly higher up on the racist scale than thug

 

[Manwiththeplan]

So if it offends, remove it? When did most folks get so intolerant to offense? It is an inanimate object that can not hurt you. It only has negative power if that's what you give it. Not everyone sees it as a symbol of racism, why should those folks fold to the will of those that do? Thicker skin and tolerance for differing views is sorely lacking these days. If it were just a case of moving it to a place were it had historical relevance then I see no problem with such action but sadly that is not what is happening. Amazon.com and Ebay has removed it from their inventory and It's image is being band by many other DotCom companies. This is nothing short of white washing history. It is wrong and marks a sad period in our history.

So if a state wanted to fly a **** flag, that would be perfectly fine? And again, the major issue is why should the government, either local or federal fly a flag that clearly is offensive to a large percentage of the population.

 

[Rockport]

It wasnt, nor is it for anybody.

That's incorrect.

 

[Rockport]

Look around you. They were not allowed to call the nice young misunderstood youths "thugs" because it is the new "n" word. This is what I mean, everything is being made racist.

Two separate issues. We're just talking about the confederate flag. I agree with you about the over hyping of many current issues in regards to race.

 

[Rockport]

So if it offends, remove it? When did most folks get so intolerant to offense? It is an inanimate object that can not hurt you. It only has negative power if that's what you give it. Not everyone sees it as a symbol of racism, why should those folks fold to the will of those that do? Thicker skin and tolerance for differing views is sorely lacking these days. If it were just a case of moving it to a place were it had historical relevance then I see no problem with such action but sadly that is not what is happening. Amazon.com and Ebay has removed it from their inventory and It's image is being band by many other DotCom companies. This is nothing short of white washing history. It is wrong and marks a sad period in our history.

Put yourself in the shoes of someone who does believe it to be a racist symbol. How would you feel about it? Honestly.

 

[JoeKing]

So if a state wanted to fly a **** flag, that would be perfectly fine? And again, the major issue is why should the government, either local or federal fly a flag that clearly is offensive to a large percentage of the population.

There is no need to introduce hypothetical situations into this very real issue. No States wants to fly a **** flag. Surely you can engage in this conversation without making thinks up. You want to equating this flag to a **** flag but that's not a fair or historically accurate analogy. Try again.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

There is no need to introduce hypothetical situations into this very real issue. No States wants to fly a **** flag. Surely you can engage in this conversation without making thinks up. You want to equating this flag to a **** flag but that's not a fair or historically accurate analogy. Try again.

It is relevant because your premise, not to remove something because it offends and I can clearly see it's baffling to you that a state would fly what many think is a racist symbol, but...clearly it's possible.

 

[DFWJC]

You can find black marks on pretty much any president. Even Lincoln had some faults.

No doubt...and if we're speaking of racist presidents...well, we've had none more racist--imo-- than right now in 30-40 years.
But I digress.

As for the flag. I see no real issue with the government having it removed from government buildings only. It's divisive--so the government can have a say but just not to non-government entities.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

As for the flag. I see no real issue with the government having it removed from government buildings only. It's divisive--so the government can have a say but just not to non-government entities.

And this is what most people want, confederate flags have no business with the government. If anyone wants to fly one in their back yard, by all means have it.....unless you live in the governor's mansion