Dixie Flag controversy

[Manwiththeplan]

You know, for such a politically charged subject, we're doing a pretty good job of not giving the Mods a reason to shut it down, please do not ruin it

-thanks

 

[joseephuss]

You know, for such a politically charged subject, we're doing a pretty good job of not giving the Mods a reason to shut it down, please do not ruin it

-thanks

It's no as if we are discussing a serious topic such as Adrian Peterson to Dallas or getting rid of Brandon Weeden.

 

[JoeKing]

that's the thing, can't have free speech in only one direction. to many, it is a symbol of oppression and racism, so while you or others may not view it that way and want to fly it, a larger retailer who doesn't want to alienate many of it's clients may decide it doesn't want to be associated with it.

STOP! I do not want to fly that flag and would appreciate you not making that accusation anymore. The protections of free speech in the Bill of Rights is not intended to cover polite speech, polite speech does not need protection. Those speech protections were intended to protect the most offensive speech, even speech that is oppressive, racist or even expresses hate. There is a misconception that hate speech is not protected but that in not true. Flying a flag is an extension of freedom of speech or expression. While I do not condone the flying of that flag by government or private citizen, I do however recognize a private citizens right to do so. I also recognize there are consequences for exercising certain rights irresponsibly.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Put yourself in the shoes of someone who does believe it to be a racist symbol. How would you feel about it? Honestly.

If a Commander fan feels the Blue Star is a racist symbol would that mean that Jerry should ban it and change the Cowboys logo? Just becuz somebody might "believe" something to be so, or even "believe" something to be racist, does not mean it is, nor does it mean anybody should condone the stupidity by catering to it.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

The protections of free speech in the Bill of Rights is not intended to cover polite speech, polite speech does not need protection. Those speech protections were intended to protect the most offensive speech, even speech that is oppressive, racist or even expresses hate.

Not selling the flag is not a violation of free speech, it is actually an exercise in free speech.

There is a misconception that hate speech is not protected but that in not true.

Not in this thread there isn't, nor across the vast majority of the US. No one is suggesting than anyone ever be arrested for having the flag or selling it

Flying a flag is an extension of freedom of speech or expression.

And choosing to not sell it is also free speech, no?

While I do not condone the flying of that flag by government or private citizen, I do however recognize a private citizens right to do so. I also recognize there are consequences for exercising certain rights irresponsibly.

Consequences like retailers deciding that they don't want to be associated with said flag?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

If a Commander fan feels the Blue Star is a racist symbol would that mean that Jerry should ban it and change the Cowboys logo? Just becuz somebody might "believe" something to be so, or even "believe" something to be racist, does not mean it is, nor does it mean anybody should condone the stupidity by catering to it.

Was the blue star ever a battle flag for someone wanting to oppress and enslave a group of people? Are there actual historical pictures of members of a recognized hate group, standing there while someone of a different color hangs from a tree, with a blue star flag in the back round?

And are you still sticking with your argument that the flag is not symbol of racism for anyone who flies it?

 

[Rockport]

The economy is surging??? The economy in the last 8 years has been the worst since the 70's.

Off topic, but not true. Not even close.

 

[rynochop]

Im concivinced this and the gay marriage deal is 99% political football game. The right doesnt like the left 'winning' these two issues, and the left likes rubbing there noses in it.

I guarantee the vast majority who are either outraged or exstatic couldnt give two craps about this or gay marriage.

 

[Rockport]

If a Commander fan feels the Blue Star is a racist symbol would that mean that Jerry should ban it and change the Cowboys logo? Just becuz somebody might "believe" something to be so, or even "believe" something to be racist, does not mean it is, nor does it mean anybody should condone the stupidity by catering to it.

There are no hate groups using the Commanders logo as their symbol so your analogy holds no water.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Im concivinced this and the gay marriage deal is 99% political football game. The right doesnt like the left 'winning' these two issues, and the left likes rubbing there noses in it.

I guarantee the vast majority who are either outraged or exstatic couldnt give two craps about this or gay marriage.

While your general point is likely correct, I think you are vastly over estimating with 99%

 

[rynochop]

While your general point is likely correct, I think you are vastly over estimating with 99%

That is probly high,lol. Just seems that way from all the million comments ive read on social media. I mean nobodys life is going to be altered next week because of either of these issues, well unless your gay and actually want to get married.
I wonder if gay ppl now feel compelled to get married. Seems like a legitimate question. Well Jim gaffigan asked it,ha

 

[JoeKing]

Not selling the flag is not a violation of free speech, it is actually an exercise in free speech.



Not in this thread there isn't, nor across the vast majority of the US. No one is suggesting than anyone ever be arrested for having the flag or selling it



And choosing to not sell it is also free speech, no?



Consequences like retailers deciding that they don't want to be associated with said flag?

I'm not disputing a businesses right to sell or not sell what ever they want. I just don't agree with it.

I'm not saying our freedom of speech extends into this forum, just into the public sectors of society.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

There are no hate groups using the Commanders logo as their symbol so your analogy holds no water.

So if a "hate group" were to use the Blue Star then Jerry should ban it and change our logo?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I'm not disputing a businesses right to sell or not sell what ever they want. I just don't agree with it.

I'm not saying our freedom of speech extends into this forum, just into the public sectors of society.

Well considering how upset you got by me saying I could care less if you choose to fly it (which is not an accusation btw), can you really blame them for wanting to distance them selves from the sale of it?

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Was the blue star ever a battle flag

What difference does that make?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

What difference does that make?

I will be glad to answer your question as soon as you answer mine, do you really believe that no one, including the KKK has ever used that flag as a symbol of racism?

 

[JoeKing]

Well considering how upset you got by me saying I could care less if you choose to fly it (which is not an accusation btw), can you really blame them for wanting to distance them selves from the sale of it?

First, get it right... I got upset at you saying I am one that chooses to fly that flag, not at you saying you could care less if I do. There is a difference.

Heck yes, I do blame them for making a business decision base on what's politically correct.

 

[Rockport]

So if a "hate group" were to use the Blue Star then Jerry should ban it and change our logo?

You're overly simplifying this. The confederate flag has years of racist hate history. If similar circumstances occurred with the "Blue Star" emblem then I would answer yes.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

First, get it right... I got upset at you saying I am one that chooses to fly that flag, not at you saying you could care less if I do. There is a difference.

no, I said

"so while you OR others may not view it that way and want to fly it"

If I wanted to saying that you choose to do it, the I would have said you AND others

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Heck yes, I do blame them for making a business decision base on what's politically correct.

I would assume that those same retailers do not sell flags of the third reich, for business (as well as ethical reasons) which is just as historically significant, so I don't see the difference.