DMN: BLOG: Can Cowboys afford to get rid of Greg Ellis?

[Hostile]

Let's look at the cost of keeping Greg Ellis.

1. You end up paying a high amount of money for a part time player on the downhill slide of his career.

2. He is a locker room lawyer and you have gotten rid of the rest of that ilk. Good guy, good player, but he does have some distractions attached because the media is going to rely on him to have something controversial to whine about.

3. By keeping him you further slow down the progress of a recent #1 Draft pick. By releasing him you put pressure on that pick to step up his game or be gone. The odds favor a player who gets his big break to step up.

4. If you keep him it means either Victor Butler or Brandon Williams are going to be waived and tried to sneak onto the Practice Squad where you could lose them to another team with no compensation. You pick which one you think we can afford to lose. I personally want to keep both of them. No way do we keep 5 OLBs, which is what we would have to do if we kept Ellis.

5. The cap savings is instant juice to the cap space the team has to re-sign it's most valuable player, DeMarcus Ware.


To sum it all up, I could care less if we can trade him. I don't care if we get anything in return. I don't care if he signs with New England or anyone else and we get nothing back. I don't agree with the we get nothing back idea. I think we clearly gain in several ways.

If Jerry can pull a trade off then so much the better, but I honestly do not care at this point. Waive him. I would be fine with that. I have 5 million reasons to be happy he's gone.

 

[Vinnie2u]

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Hostile makes sense....

 

[TheCount]

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Hostile makes sense....

For once.

JK Hos

 

[Hostile]

For once.

JK Hos

Even a blind chicken gets a piece of corn now and then.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

4. If you keep him it means either Victor Butler or Brandon Williams are going to be waived and tried to sneak onto the Practice Squad where you could lose them to another team with no compensation.

Uh, hell no.

 

[Hostile]

Uh, hell no.

Hell no to that option, or hell no they wouldn't have to do that?

 

[YosemiteSam]

If Spencer gets hurt again, we still have David Buehler to play OLB.

 

[odog422]

I'm all for him out of here and seeing what Spencer can do full time. One thing sticks in my craw with Spencer though - the Ravens game. Those two long runs were the direct result of him trying to jump around the block and not take on the blocker. Can't do that.

Otherwise, go with the youth. Always better to let a guy go too soon rather than too late.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Hell no to that option, or hell no they wouldn't have to do that?

Hell no to the idea of possibly losing either of the rookies.

 

[Joe Realist]

Isn't it ironic that in 1998 we passed on Randy Moss because of the various locker room and moreso the out of locker room problems and now we may get rid of Greg Ellis to improve the locker room. I am on record for keeping Greg. Someone said before we are in stealth rebuild mode and we just might be.

I will say that releasing Ellis will allow the Cowboys to probably sign Ware to a big deal, but I blame Jerry to for the various waste of contracts he has given out (see T.O. extension).

 

[jobberone]

totally agree, i heard last year in a big game that the cowboys lost, that alan ball came in and tapped greg ellis on the rear end for him to come out of the game in subsititution; greg ellis refused by time ball got time out called, time out had already ran out and cowboys lost a time out, along with delay of game penalty

so if thats true, i dont want greg on the team;

And you've never heard a senior player tell someone coming in to substitute to 'get the frake out of here'?

 

[cowboyjoe]

And you've never heard a senior player tell someone coming in to substitute to 'get the frake out of here'?

when a player is suppose to come out in certain situations by the coaches, he is suppose to come out period, when you let the player say what he is going to do no matter what the head coach or coaches say, then you have a big problem

because when greg was suppose to come out, we had 12 men on the field, and got also called for delay of game, etc

thats on greg for not being a team player period!

 

[jobberone]

when a player is suppose to come out in certain situations by the coaches, he is suppose to come out period, when you let the player say what he is going to do no matter what the head coach or coaches say, then you have a big problem

because when greg was suppose to come out, we had 12 men on the field, and got also called for delay of game, etc

thats on greg for not being a team player period!

Well, it doesn't always happen that way but I agree if you cause a penalty or timeout you are in bigger trouble. And you'd better start playing your butt off if you pull that stuff.

 

[Hostile]

Hell no to the idea of possibly losing either of the rookies.

I agree. That would set us back instead of a move forward.

 

[cowboyjoe]

I agree. That would set us back instead of a move forward.

hey Hostile, here is alittle more on greg ellis issue, thought with yours and DC inside sources you might come up with some more info;


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4199484
Source: Dallas seeking deal for EllisComment Email Print Share By Matt Mosley
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DALLAS -- Dallas Cowboys veteran outside linebacker Greg Ellis finally may get his wish to be traded or released by the club, as the Cowboys have reached out to at least two teams to measure interest in a deal, according to a club source.

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Cowboys coach Wade Phillips looks ahead to the 2009 season.
AOL Fanhouse first reported the story Thursday evening, indicating the Cowboys had approached the New England Patriots and Cincinnati Bengals about a possible trade. Ellis has longtime ties to Bengals defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer, who held the same position with the Cowboys.

Ellis, 33, did not participate in Thursday's organized team activities session. If the Cowboys release him, which seems the most likely result, they'll save the $4.15 million he's scheduled to make in 2009.

Ellis' agent, James Williams, told The Dallas Morning News on Thursday that his client was "looking forward to being a Dallas Cowboy [in 2009]," but that his future was out of their hands.

Ellis has grumbled about his role on the team ever since Bill Parcells moved him from defensive end to outside linebacker in 2006, but he hasn't said anything this offseason. Last year, the Cowboys were set to make Anthony Spencer the starter ahead of Ellis, but Spencer couldn't stay on the field because of injuries.

In last month's draft, the Cowboys focused on players who could help them on the pass rush, so Ellis' status became even more tenuous.

Ellis, a former first-round pick, spent eight years at defensive end before being moved to outside linebacker. He excelled at the position and was having a solid season in 2006 when he ruptured his Achilles tendon against the Arizona Cardinals, an injury that contributed to the Cowboys' late-season struggles. He bounced back to have 12.5 sacks in 2007 and made his first Pro Bowl appearance.

If he's released, the Bengals, Patriots and Miami Dolphins could be likely destinations.

Matt Mosley covers the NFC East for ESPN.com.
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[28 Joker]

"Can the Cowboys Afford to Give up Greg Ellis"?





Memo:

Greg Ellis is overrated.

Greg Ellis is a malcontent.

Greg Ellis is a ridiculously over paid player.

Greg Ellis' play declined significantly last year.

Amonte Toomer is still running. TD Giants 7-0 (Anthony Henry missed him, too.)

 

[Verdict]

Let's look at the cost of keeping Greg Ellis.

1. You end up paying a high amount of money for a part time player on the downhill slide of his career.

2. He is a locker room lawyer and you have gotten rid of the rest of that ilk. Good guy, good player, but he does have some distractions attached because the media is going to rely on him to have something controversial to whine about.

3. By keeping him you further slow down the progress of a recent #1 Draft pick. By releasing him you put pressure on that pick to step up his game or be gone. The odds favor a player who gets his big break to step up.

4. If you keep him it means either Victor Butler or Brandon Williams are going to be waived and tried to sneak onto the Practice Squad where you could lose them to another team with no compensation. You pick which one you think we can afford to lose. I personally want to keep both of them. No way do we keep 5 OLBs, which is what we would have to do if we kept Ellis.

5. The cap savings is instant juice to the cap space the team has to re-sign it's most valuable player, DeMarcus Ware.


To sum it all up, I could care less if we can trade him. I don't care if we get anything in return. I don't care if he signs with New England or anyone else and we get nothing back. I don't agree with the we get nothing back idea. I think we clearly gain in several ways.

If Jerry can pull a trade off then so much the better, but I honestly do not care at this point. Waive him. I would be fine with that. I have 5 million reasons to be happy he's gone.

Just maybe in addition to all of the reasons you cited, it is possible he has already started his annual pity party and the brass said enough is enough.

 

[jobberone]

If he's already started with the I want to start yada yada yada then I'd get rid of his butt. There is no room for that now.

 

[Clove]

It's a no brainer. You can cut a stud receiver because of his mouth, you can do the same to an average journeyman DE/OLB.

 

[JoeyBones31]

The bottomline here is simple, did we draft the right guy in Spencer two years ago, or is he just another Stanback in terms of how prone he is to injury?

Talent wise Anthony Spencer has what it takes to be "the guy" at that position, but at this point in time, do you take a chance on cutting Ellis to save cap space, and pin your hopes and your defensive effectiveness on a third year injury prone player, and two unproven rookies?

I say no IMO. :jackpot: