DMN Blog: Cowboys turned down major trade offer

[igtmfo]

Newy has been saying the last couple hours that Jason is the one who really pushed for the Roy trade. Said Jerry told them at the owners meetings RJ said it would really free up TO.

I know Jerry has said he'd wanted Roy for a couple of years... Just reporting what he said.

Lab, I'm a bit slow, Jason/RJ is Jason Garrett?

 

[Bach]

Guess you missed that Herschel Walker deal. It was in all the papers.

More like, the post-Jimmy era. That Herschel trade would've been long forgotten if it was Jerry drafting the players with those picks rather than Johnson.

 

[Bach]

WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!! I got a laugh out of Alexander.....KING OF THE BOARD

Is this a hint????

 

[Randy White]

was traded for the 20th pick in the first round, the 18th pick in the 3rd round ( #82 ) and swapped the 19th pick in the 6th round ( 192 ) for the 1st pick in the 7th round ( 210 ).

The peanut gallery might not want to accept it and, of course, since they're all omniscient , they have declared the trade a " bust ", but the reality is that NOBODY the Cowboys would have drafted with those picks would have had more impact than Roy Williams. N-O-B-O-D-Y.

Not Jeremy Maclin, not Hakeem Nicks, not Kenny Britt, not Brian Robiskie, not
Mohamed Massaquoi, not Derek Williams, not Brandon Tate, not Mike Wallace, not Ramses Barden, not Patrick Turner, not Deon Butler, not Juaquin Iglessias.

As a matter of fact, looking back at the draft and looking at how the season has unfolded so far ( and if it's not too early to declare the Roy Williams trade a " bust " , it's certainly not too early to judge the players they could have taken with those picks ) not ONE single player the Cowboys would have taken between the 20th pick and the 82nd pick of the draft would have been starting for the Cowboys right now.

Not ONE...

 

[UVAwahoos]

More like, the post-Jimmy era. That Herschel trade would've been long forgotten if it was Jerry drafting the players with those picks rather than Johnson.

That trade NEVER happens without Jimmy Johnson in the building. We would've been another version of the Commanders under Dan Snyder without Jimmy...kinda like we have been since Jimmy left coincidentally.

 

[Bach]

was traded for the 20th pick in the first round, the 18th pick in the 3rd round ( #82 ) and swapped the 19th pick in the 6th round ( 192 ) for the 1st pick in the 7th round ( 210 ).

The peanut gallery might not want to accept it and, of course, since they're all omniscient , they have delcared the trade a " bust ", but the reality is that NOBODY the Cowboys would have drafted with those picks would have had more impact than Roy Williams. N-O-B-O-D-Y.

Not Jeremy Maclin, not Hakeem Nicks, not Kenny Britt, not Brian Robiskie, not
Mohamed Massaquoi, not Derek Williams, not Brandon Tate, not Mike Wallace, not Ramses Barden, not Patrick Turner, not Deon Butler, not Juaquin Iglessias.

As a matter of fact, looking back at the draft and looking at how the season has unfold so far ( and if it's not too early to declare the Roy Williams trade a " bust " , it's certainly not to early to judge the players they could have taken with those picks ) not ONE single player the Cowboys would have taken between the 20th pick and the 82nd pick of the draft would have been starting for the Cowboys right now.

Not ONE...

So you base draft picks solely on their rookie year contributions?

 

[Bach]

That trade NEVER happens without Jimmy Johnson in the building. We would've been another version of the Commanders under Dan Snyder without Jimmy...kinda like we have been since Jimmy left coincidentally.

I agree. Even if the actually trade would've still been made, the final results would've been drastically different without Jimmy and co. picking the players and developing them.

People act like the Walker trade was the first of it's kind, but the Rams traded Dickerson to the Colts for a slew of high picks a couple years before the Walker trade, but unlike Dallas, they didn't fare so well on the draft picks they made out of the deal. And, the Walker trade would've been a similar dud had we had similar draft failures, ie, like those of Jerry and Lacewell once Jimmy left the Ranch.

 

[bayeslife]

Well, no one with brains. The fans who took a lot of flack for dissing this trade from day one are owed an apology. In all likelihood, they will not get one.

:cry2:

 

[Randy White]

So you base draft picks solely on their rookie year contributions?

Absolutely NOT..

Just like I don't judge a trade solely on 14 games. Especially when in nearly half of those games, the player has been injured.

 

[UVAwahoos]

I agree. Even if the actually trade would've still been made, the final results would've been drastically different without Jimmy and co. picking the players and developing them.

People act like the Walker trade was the first of it's kind, but the Rams traded Dickerson to the Colts for a slew of high picks a couple years before the Walker trade, but unlike Dallas, they didn't fare so well on the draft picks they made out of the deal. And, the Walker trade would've been a similar dud had we had similar draft failures, ie, like those of Jerry and Lacewell once Jimmy left the Ranch.

Which is why I love how Jerry uses those 3 Super Bowls as evidence to continue his run as GM.

He's so delusional that it's starting to really make me angry. He had little to do with that great team coming together and being so dominant, and now he thinks that he can do it on his own and has actually failed year after year while looking at those trophies as fuel to continue chugging along.

Awesome.

 

[Randy White]

He had little to do with that great team coming together and being so dominant,

He had " little " to do with it ?

 

[links18]

Why in the world would Denver trade Brandon Marshall. He has been a productive player on an undefeated team, primed to make a Super Bowl run.

 

[UVAwahoos]

He had " little " to do with it ?

Well, considering that Irvin was already here and Jimmy played a huge role in orchestrating the Walker trade, I'm pretty confident that Jerry had less to do with it than most delusional fans want to give him credit for.

If he were such a genius, and the true driving force behind those great teams, I'm confident that he would've been able to replicate it even once in the last 13 years.

By hiring Parcells, even he admitted his failures. Not sure why some fans can't come to those same terms...

 

[WarDaddy]

no a team offered us a draft picks or firm offer for one of our young players;
While he wouldn’t name the player or inquiring team, Jones did confirm that the Cowboys fielded a considerable offer Tuesday before the trade deadlines for one of their younger players. Jones said it was not a running back, but a player he felt the Cowboys needed to keep “right now.”

My guess is Scandrick or Bennett. It has probably been covered on one of the next 8 pages but I really dont feel like reading all that...

 

[Avery]

Merriman was dangled to us for a 1st rounder.

It will leak eventually.

 

[Bach]

Absolutely NOT..

Just like I don't judge a trade solely on 14 games. Especially when in nearly half of those games, the player has been injured.

If you aren't basing the trade on one season then how do you explain this:

the reality is that NOBODY the Cowboys would have drafted with those picks would have had more impact than Roy Williams. N-O-B-O-D-Y.

Not Jeremy Maclin, not Hakeem Nicks, not Kenny Britt, not Brian Robiskie, not
Mohamed Massaquoi, not Derek Williams, not Brandon Tate, not Mike Wallace, not Ramses Barden, not Patrick Turner, not Deon Butler, not Juaquin Iglessias.

Again, are you projecting their entire career or just basing it on this season?

 

[Bach]

Which is why I love how Jerry uses those 3 Super Bowls as evidence to continue his run as GM.

He's so delusional that it's starting to really make me angry. He had little to do with that great team coming together and being so dominant, and now he thinks that he can do it on his own and has actually failed year after year while looking at those trophies as fuel to continue chugging along.

Awesome.

Yep, he's definitely delusional. He's still trying to live off of Jimmy's success and claim it as his own. Yet somehow when he has been the man making all the decisions we are now 13 years and counting since our last playoff win. But, I guess that's just coincidence. He's just having a bad decade and a half or something.

 

[Temo]

I agree. Even if the actually trade would've still been made, the final results would've been drastically different without Jimmy and co. picking the players and developing them.

People act like the Walker trade was the first of it's kind, but the Rams traded Dickerson to the Colts for a slew of high picks a couple years before the Walker trade, but unlike Dallas, they didn't fare so well on the draft picks they made out of the deal. And, the Walker trade would've been a similar dud had we had similar draft failures, ie, like those of Jerry and Lacewell once Jimmy left the Ranch.

Yea, the Rams received 6 1st and 2nd round picks for Dickerson and blew 5 of them. The only hit was Fred Strickland, the LB who would later play for the post-superbowl cowboys among other teams.

I think you could sent a fan to the draft with Mel Kiper's draft guide in hand and he'd fail less than the Rams did with those picks.

 

[Randy White]

If you aren't basing the trade on one season then how do you explain this: Again, are you projecting their entire career or just basing it on this season?

Once again:

I'm using the SAME reasoning you peanut gallary geniuses use when you declare the Roy Williams trade a " bust ". Right from the hip, using " right now " results, without any future consideration or without surrounding factors.

Had the Cowboys kept those picks, NOT ONE of those players would be starting for the Cowboys right now NOR have made any bigger impact than Roy Williams.

Not ONE.

 

[arglebargle]

Once again:

I'm using the SAME reasoning you peanut gallary geniuses use when you declare the Roy Williams trade a " bust ". Right from the hip, using " right now " results, without any future consideration or without surrounding factors.

Had the Cowboys kept those picks, NOT ONE of those players would be starting for the Cowboys right now NOR have made any bigger impact than Roy Williams.

Not ONE.

He walked right in to that one.

In 3 or 4 years, we'll know just how well that deal worked out. Til then, it is all speculation.