DMN Blog: Deion filets Roy (WR) Williams

[SMCowboy]

Don't discount the fact that Roy had his best season under pass-happy Mike Martz, so his numbers may have been skewed somewhat.

I am not looking at the last three years to come up with those numbers. Look at his first two years in the league, and that is with Joey freaking Harrington at QB. He posted 54-817-8 (in 14 games) and 45-687-8 (in 13 games). If you put those out to 16 game seasons, his numbers are:
61-933-8
55-845-8

Personally, I think he has untapped potential and if his heart finally can match his physical talent, he will excel in Dallas...but the jury's still out on him.

There is no doubt that he has a TON of untapped potential. He is fast but not a speed burner. He has great hands, and can jump out of a building. His only question has always been about want to. How badly does he want it.

 

[adbutcher]

The funny thing is, Troy Aikman was bashing Roy Williams last year by the end of the season. He seemed to be a target for the offensive woes of the Cowboys by Aikman when the former QB was commentating for the Cowboys, especially when Garrett was starting to get bashed. So is Deion agenda driven, but Aikman isn't?

Very true. I knew that some did not like Prime but I wasn't expecting this level of vitriol, lol.

It appears that regardless if the truth is spoken or not, some tend to jump the messenger and the messenger's faults instead of concentrating on the message.

Based on R Dubs performance last year, his assessment is spot on and this is coming from some one who was pretty excited when the trade went down.

RW will have to step up big time in order to fill the void that is left by TO. If not we could potentially do worse then we did last year.

 

[MWILL]

I saw Roy Williams in person against the 49ers and he was open all the time and Romo never looked his way. Without the distraction that was TO, I think Roy Williams will prove his worth.

What does that say about Romo?

 

[Doomsday101]

What does that say about Romo?

It says he needs to do a better job of going through his reads and hitting the open man instead of trying to get it to 1

 

[Apollo Creed]

People laughing at the best cover corner in the history of the earth's opinion on a player.

Might as well laugh at Troy Aikman too, there has been no player that has been more vocal about Roy's problems, habits, routes, attitude, etc than Aikman.

He signed at 5 year 45 million dollar deal, and we could be sitting on 14 draft picks right now.

I would've rathered used those picks and traded up for Crabtree, or hung out at 20 and took BWR available.

But a lot of people are seeing through silver and blue lenses, and until proven otherwise - the Roy Williams trade was an impulsive and poor move. I was excited about it, then I watched a guy look totally overwhelmed and confused. Those lights are big in Dallas... We'll just have to see.

 

[MWILL]

It says he needs to do a better job of going through his reads and hitting the open man instead of trying to get it to 1

That's Sad.

You would think Romo can do that despite T.O.

 

[Rampage]

That's Sad.

You would think Romo can do that despite T.O.

tell that to Garcia and McNabb.

 

[Doomsday101]

That's Sad.

You would think Romo can do that despite T.O.

Sad? Not really. TO was his #1 target and was reminded of that by TO on a regular basis. I don't blame TO, Romo is the QB and should have told TO to shut his mouth instead he opted to appease him. Romo fault. As pointed out TO did the same with Garcia and McNabb both more experienced QB than Romo

 

[khiladi]

"Even in 2007, TO put up almost all of his stats in the first 12 games of the season. Just take a look at the stats before and after the Detroit/Philly game. Starting with the Green Bay game and then really paying dividends in the Detroit game, and largely in the Philly game teams realized that TO could not longer beat press man coverage consistently. Very few teams ever tried to press TO man to man before, because he used to always destroy it. Even though TO got his catches against Al Harris in Green Bay, Al Harris showed that you COULD apply press coverage on TO and he couldn't consistently beat it."How about you pay attention now? I have listened to what you have stated and it is hog-wash. Your analysis is flawed for several reasons, including:1. Terrell Owens totally owned Al Harris in press coverage in 2007. He had 7 catches for 156 yards and 1 TD. That is a career day and high-light real. Al Harris had 1 INT on a fluke play, where the ball hit a wide-open TO right in the chest. If it weren't for the play, Al Harris would have looked even more foolish for all his talk. He got flat-out abused by TO. How Al Harris showed that TO could be stopped in press coverage, one can only wonder!2. Tony Romo had injured his pinky in the Eagles game and the whole offense, not just TO, took a nose dive. What you correlate to the last 4 games with teams figuring out that TO could be beaten in press coverage has nothing to do with reality. Romo threw 36 times and completed only 13 passes.3. The very next game, the Cowboys played Carolina and Romo had time to rest his pinkie. Not only does your final four game analysis neglect the fact that TO had his high-ankle sprain during that game, he was on pace for one of the best performances that year. TO sprained his ankle in the second quarter and immediately afterwards the offense sputtered. Before the sprain, he already had 5 catches for 48 yards and 1 TD. He could have scored on the drive he left the game as well. How did teams figure that out when Owens was on his way to a career dayt against Carolina as well? Coincidentally, the whole offense sputtered when TO was out and not in full capacity.4. Owens didn't play against the Commanders, because of the high-ankle sprain and he wasn't even healthy against the Giants. Even then, he had 4 catches for 49 yards, with a TD in a game where Marion Barber was running the whole first half, and Romo was running for his life the second half.5. Further, the game against the 49ers prove that it wasn't press coverage that TO didn't beat, it was press coverage with SAFETY HELP OVER THE TOP. Statistically, TO had one of the best games of his career in situations where he got man coverage but the CBs couldn't get hands on him. Even Singletary admitted that his people didn't jam him hard enough at the line, but he didn't attribute that to TO . The fact is, you beat the jam when the CB can't get his hands that well on you.6. Teams weren't jamming TO alone and simply playing press coverage, they were shadowing the press coverage of the corner on TO with safety help, because they knew for a fact TO could beat press coverage. If teams though TO couldn't beat press coverage, they would have no need to shadow him, which every team but the 49ers exclusively did.7. The idea that Garrett had to throw it deep because TO couldn't beat coverage is as absurd as it gets. It implies that not a single person our roster could win their one-on-one match-ups so Garrett was forced to throw it into double-coverage to TO. That is about as dumb an argument as ever and makes Garrett look even more stupid. This team had Martellus Bennet, Roy Williams healthy, with not a single slant thrown to him, Patrick Crayton who makes his living in the slot, and Felix Choice at one point, Barber at another and Choice as well, and they can't beat press coverage as well? Like I said, your analysis is horrible and far away from reality.

 

[khiladi]

tell that to Garcia and McNabb.

What did Garcia do after Owens left? Oh yeah, that's right. He never sniffed even 16 TDs throwing. McNabb had his best season ever and threw over 30 without each of them missing one game. As if it was TO forcing them to throw him the ball. They threw and continue to throw him the ball because he was and is their best player.

 

[khiladi]

BTW, Roy Williams played in a Mike Martz system, which is an offense predicated on plenty of yards, but a QB getting killed because his OL can't sustain that type of pass protection all day. Further, the scoring doesn't match the yardage total, except primarily against bad teams. Garrett is following that path rather quickly.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

What did Garcia do after Owens left? Oh yeah, that's right. He never sniffed even 16 TDs throwing. McNabb had his best season ever and threw over 30 without each of them missing one game. As if it was TO forcing them to throw him the ball. They threw and continue to throw him the ball because he was and is their best player.

Yeah McNabb just looked like garbage, for sure, throwing 23 TDs, with only 11 picks, and nearly 4,000 yards without TO this year. In fact he threw for a career high in yardage this year without Owens.

His first two seasons without him it's impossible to say what he would have did since he missed about half of each of those seasons due to injuries.

There is no doubt that having TO gives you a shot to put up numbers, possibly even some of the best of your career, but to act like the guy just hasn't done anything, and can't, without him isn't accurate either.

 

[khiladi]

Yeah McNabb just looked like garbage, for sure, throwing 23 TDs, with only 11 picks, and nearly 4,000 yards without TO this year. In fact he threw for a career high in yardage this year without Owens.

His first two seasons without him it's impossible to say what he would have did since he missed about half of each of those seasons due to injuries.



There is no doubt that having TO gives you a shot to put up numbers, possibly even some of the best of your career, but to act like the guy just hasn't done anything, and can't, without him isn't accurate either.

That is all nice and dandy, but when did I say McNabb sucks. I said McNabb had his best season ever with over 30 TDs. He never matched anywhere near that total without TO. He had a QB rating over 100, the only season getting near that was in 2006. He had his highets completion percentage with TO. In 2005 he was on pace for ridiculous numbers as well, but he got injured and TO also got injured. TO was averaging over 100 yards that game. The fact is, the argument that QBs throw the ball to Owens because he whines to them is absurd. QBs throw it to him because he is damn good at his job. He makes them better despite the media portraying him as one who ruins QBs. SO NOW TELL ME, WHY DID YOU IGNORE GARCIA?

 

[Doomsday101]

Yeah McNabb just looked like garbage, for sure, throwing 23 TDs, with only 11 picks, and nearly 4,000 yards without TO this year. In fact he threw for a career high in yardage this year without Owens.

His first two seasons without him it's impossible to say what he would have did since he missed about half of each of those seasons due to injuries.

There is no doubt that having TO gives you a shot to put up numbers, possibly even some of the best of your career, but to act like the guy just hasn't done anything, and can't, without him isn't accurate either.

Even in the year Philly made it to the SB they had to do so without TO after he was injured by Roy Williams. I agree TO has put up numbers and I also hear he can be a pain in the *** to deal with. TO has no ring on his finger as great as some are making him out to be you would figure he was a 1 man team yet teams that have had him have grown sick and tired of him that should speak volumes but seem to go over some people heads.

 

[MWILL]

Sad? Not really. TO was his #1 target and was reminded of that by TO on a regular basis. I don't blame TO, Romo is the QB and should have told TO to shut his mouth instead he opted to appease him. Romo fault. As pointed out TO did the same with Garcia and McNabb both more experienced QB than Romo

a) Was T.O. really Romo's #1 target? Just by watching the games it seems that Witten was the #1 target.

b) I believe Romo is smart NOT to do that.

I say sad cause with all the good offensive players on this team, we have no playoff wins and no championships. This team should have won something with or without T.O.

It just questions (IMO) the mental weakness on the offensive side of the ball to let one guy bring this team down.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

That is all nice and dandy, but when did I say McNabb sucks. I said McNabb had his best season ever with over 30 TDs. He never matched anywhere near that total without TO. He had a QB rating over 100, the only season getting near that was in 2006. He had his highets completion percentage with TO. In 2005 he was on pace for ridiculous numbers as well, but he got injured and TO also got injured. TO was averaging over 100 yards that game. The fact is, the argument that QBs throw the ball to Owens because he whines to them is absurd. QBs throw it to him because he is damn good at his job. He makes them better despite the media portraying him as one who ruins QBs. SO NOW TELL ME, WHY DID YOU IGNORE GARCIA?

Because I hate Garcia and he played on piss poor Niners, Browns, and Lions teams after he was away from Owens.

He did pretty good, considering what he had to work with, in Tampa the last couple of years and he wasn't too shabby down the stretch in 06 for the Owens less Eagles either.

No one can honestly claim that Owens doesn't help a QB produce, they'd have to be crazy to believe that, but to make it seem like a QB is just going to never do anything again without Owens seems off to me.

I could be wrong though. Maybe Tony will never see 30+ TD passes again, ever, in his career without Owens.

But if he doesn't, and some how the teams win a Superbowl or two, I'll take that over the 30+ TD passes. It sure didn't hinder Aikmans ability to win Superbowls not throwing for 30+ TDs a year.

But who knows for sure if that will ever happen. Romo might not ever even get to the Superbowl and that's life.

 

[Doomsday101]

Because I hate Garcia and he played on piss poor Niners, Browns, and Lions teams after he was away from Owens.

He did pretty good, considering what he had to work with, in Tampa the last couple of years and he wasn't too shabby down the stretch in 06 for the Owens less Eagles either.

No one can honestly claim that Owens doesn't help a QB produce, they'd have to be crazy to believe that, but to make it seem like a QB is just going to never do anything again without Owens seems off to me.

I could be wrong though. Maybe Tony will never see 30+ TD passes again, ever, in his career without Owens.

But if he doesn't, and some how the teams win a Superbowl or two, I'll take that over the 30+ TD passes. It sure didn't hinder Aikmans ability to win Superbowls not throwing for 30+ TDs a year.

But who knows for sure if that will ever happen. Romo might not ever even get to the Superbowl and that's life.

Very well said, at this stage I could careless about indivdual stats play as a team get others involved on the offense instead of trying to make 1 happy.

 

[MWILL]

Yeah McNabb just looked like garbage, for sure, throwing 23 TDs, with only 11 picks, and nearly 4,000 yards without TO this year. In fact he threw for a career high in yardage this year without Owens.

His first two seasons without him it's impossible to say what he would have did since he missed about half of each of those seasons due to injuries.

There is no doubt that having TO gives you a shot to put up numbers, possibly even some of the best of your career, but to act like the guy just hasn't done anything, and can't, without him isn't accurate either.

McNabb always pass the STAT test. He can't pass the EYE test.

It's hard for me to fully respect him as a QB by watching the way he looked in the Super Bowl. He looked like he was ready to go home in the 4th Qtr.

He always seems to do something stupid at the wrong times. I'm glad the Eagles are keeping him.

 

[Next_years_Champs]

The thing I find most odd about threads like these is that for some reason there is this notion that RW has to put up Owens type stats or he is a failure.

I find that really strange. Owens has never led his team to a Championship, neither has RW so the ultimate difference between the two at this point in their respective careers is stats.

Being a Cowboy fan from the very beginning of the franchise I know for a fact that the great Cowboy teams were always balanced offensive teams, period.

I hope that is the strategy we incorporate this year, Every thing else tells me that is what Jerry Jones and Wade Phillips are moving toward. I hope we exploit all our RBs and receivers.

I think it is becoming more and more obvious that is the plan, Then management has a stat goal in mind for the type of production needed from RW. If he meets or exceeds those team goals will determine his success or failure. Not some imaginary competition with TOs stats.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

The thing I find most odd about threads like these is that for some reason there is this notion that RW has to put up Owens type stats or he is a failure.

I find that really strange. Owens has never led his team to a Championship, neither has RW so the ultimate difference between the two at this point in their respective careers is stats.

Being a Cowboy fan from the very beginning of the franchise I know for a fact that the great Cowboys team were always balanced offensive teams, period.

I hope that is the strategy we incorporate this year, Every thing else tells me that is what Jerry Jones and Wade Phillips are moving toward. I hope we exploit all our RBs and receivers.

I think it is becoming more and more obvious that is the plan, Then management has a stat goal in mind for the type of production needed from RW. If he meets or exceeds those team goals will determine his success or failure. Not some imaginary competition with TOs stats.

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