DMN Blog: Practice attendance -- Roy's here, Ellis isn't

[iceberg]

...and company? A few words by a team spokesperson could go a long ways to preventing the butchering that occurs on this fan site.

no it wouldn't. those who butcher either just read and react and that's as deep as it ever gets, or they have an agenda and take what htey hear to mean what they think it should mean and let some "facts" come through and from the same souce "scoff" at the notion cause it doesn't fit theirs.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

you caught my caveat. if this is only about ellis, no one cares. however, since the roy thread content is low on the main page, this *will* go to a roy thread and how wrong he was to be where he wasn't but is now.

if missing an OTA was rage material, many would have gotten mad last year. it's only rage when roy is involved.

you want another Roy thread so your voice can be heard, dont' you?

 

[iceberg]

you want another Roy thread so your voice can be heard, dont' you?

it's my current jihad.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

to a degree yes. but when people LOOK for reasons to be mad at roy and say HE MUST BE THERE! ALL PLAYERS MUST!!!! it's hypocritical to say "oh yea, damn you ellis" and move on. you prop up your "argument" against roy by saying all players must be there. THAT sets a tone that you'd give the same rage for ANY player out there. that's not happening. in turn, people are now saying / changing the stance from ALL MUST BE THERE to well, ROY must be there, i don't care about the rest. it's using the point when it helps you and dismissing it when you don't. i can't do that. a point is a point. period. now my head hurts.

selective rage. no way around it. hypocritical as well. it's letting emotions over 1 player allow you to pick and choose "barriers" so to speak. one gets across w/no foul, the other is roasted for the same thing.

i can't or try not to do that. pretty simple. some people WILL do that and fine. to me that's them justifying their own hate, not being objective.

i said i was disappointed in Ellis and now that i hear that its because hes doing his typical whining routine the bile is certainly rising. At the same time they are different circumstances. My disposition towards Roy has nothing to do with 'looking for something.' Instead i realize that he needs more work and not less. Him missing this practice means less work.

Ellis on the other hand has no such issues hes just a whiney *****.

But yes I suppose it is selective anger because I select who i am mad at but that does not imply hypocrisy. Ellis and Roy are two different people under two different circumstances.

The only nonselective anger i see is coming from you towards anyone who is talking negatively about Roy. How about you go bash Adam or DD or some of the Roy apology camp?

 

[iceberg]

i said i was disappointed in Ellis and now that i hear that its because hes doing his typical whining routine the bile is certainly rising. At the same time they are different circumstances. My disposition towards Roy has nothing to do with 'looking for something.' Instead i realize that he needs more work and not less. Him missing this practice means less work.

Ellis on the other hand has no such issues hes just a whiney *****.

But yes I suppose it is selective anger because I select who i am mad at but that does not imply hypocrisy. Ellis and Roy are two different people under two different circumstances.

The only nonselective anger i see is coming from you towards anyone who is talking negatively about Roy. How about you go bash Adam or DD or some of the Roy apology camp?

you're right that the selective anger does NOT imply hypocracy. the hypocracy comes in when you say ALL PLAYERS MUST BE THERE, yet can excuse ellis for any reason at all.

there are either no excuses at all, or there are lots of different reasons. to allow no excuses for 1 and any for the other *is* hypocritical. to say roy needs the work more than ellis is fine. but to prop that up with "i expect everyone to be there" is wrong.

in my own mind anyway. you obviously don't expect everyone to be there or anyone missing would elicit the same amount of rage so being there or not isn't the issue.

enforcing selective anger, is.

nothing in the world wrong with saying it shows a lack of focus on roys part, that his heart may still not be back in the game, and things of the like. but "all players..." again is just flinging poo to see what sticks.

in my own mind, anyway. : )

 

[big dog cowboy]

Please, this thing won't even get 40 posts...unless it turns to Roy.

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[iceberg]

:laugh2:

guilty and shutting up now.

 

[WoodysGirl]

:laugh2:

 

[Bob Sacamano]

it's my current jihad.

:laugh2:

 

[dcfanatic]

Earlier when I said 'about his contract" I really meant about his role with the team.

Let's go 80!

 

[peplaw06]

His "bosses" frankly can't express ANY opinion on this because the workouts are technically voluntary. You know that.

They can't force them to be there, no. but they can choose whether to excuse him or not. They excused him. Don't you think if they wanted to make a statement to him, they would have refused to excuse?

And no, I have NEVER taken a vacation during the school year. Why? Because I've got 4 freaking months free and clear to do.

Good for you. Glad you have 4 months free.... most of us have taken vacations from work.

I've missed time for professional responsibilities (e.g., attending a conference),

Not "birth or death."

serious illness (fever of 103),

Not "birth or death."

and to attend a funeral.

That one's death.

So sorry, you are barking up the wrong tree with me.

2 out of 3 absences that you'll admit to were not for "birth or death." How's that barking up the wrong tree??

 

[iceberg]

They can't force them to be there, no. but they can choose whether to excuse him or not. They excused him. Don't you think if they wanted to make a statement to him, they would have refused to excuse?

Good for you. Glad you have 4 months free.... most of us have taken vacations from work. Not "birth or death." Not "birth or death." That one's death.2 out of 3 absences that you'll admit to were not for "birth or death." How's that barking up the wrong tree??

dude. you crack me up.

 

[peplaw06]

dude. you crack me up.

I try.

 

[BigDFan5]

 

[DallasEast]

 

[AbeBeta]

They can't force them to be there, no. but they can choose whether to excuse him or not. They excused him. Don't you think if they wanted to make a statement to him, they would have refused to excuse?

How do you excuse someone from something that is not required by the team? Again, tell me how that works.

Not "birth or death."

Since you want to play semantics. Serious illness -- that's the same as being injured

Not "birth or death."

Professional responsibility is not the same as missing work - it involves a conflict between two different duties.

2 out of 3 absences that you'll admit to were not for "birth or death." How's that barking up the wrong tree??

Seriously? You know the point was that taking a freaking cruise is not a legit reason to miss work -- especially when you have MONTHS to do that sort of stuff when OTAs aren't going on.

Dude, I hope you aren't a trial lawyer because your chops are a bit lame.

 

[iceberg]

How do you excuse someone from something that is not required by the team? Again, tell me how that works.

how can you get mad at someone who's not where they don't have to be? you're using both sides of the argument to 1 favor and that's just wrong. sorry.

Since you want to play semantics. Serious illness -- that's the same as being injured

Professional responsibility is not the same as missing work - it involves a conflict between two different duties.

you were the one who said "birth/death" - not him. now that we've had to expand upon it, we find there *are* other reasons outside YOUR vastly superior views. if you don't want someone nagging in your details, don't make stupid analogies that don't hold water to prove a point. you know, like ALL PLAYERS MUST BE THERE when that's simply not the case in the end.

Seriously? You know the point was that taking a freaking cruise is not a legit reason to miss work -- especially when you have MONTHS to do that sort of stuff when OTAs aren't going on.

Dude, I hope you aren't a trial lawyer because your chops are a bit lame.

then are you mad at romo? after all, he scheduled some golf time. how dare he? did he not know???

you seem to live and die by utlimatums that don't hold up in reality. and for the record, so far i'd have peplaw at my lawyer. it's not his fault you've got silly arguments to begin with or that you can't see them or that you expect everyone to have *your* illustrious work ethic and anything less is wrong even though the average person does take time off when they can.

 

[AbeBeta]

how can you get mad at someone who's not where they don't have to be? you're using both sides of the argument to 1 favor and that's just wrong. sorry.

When EVERY other player is there it is clear where the guy is supposed to be.

you were the one who said "birth/death" - not him. now that we've had to expand upon it, we find there *are* other reasons outside YOUR vastly superior views. if you don't want someone nagging in your details, don't make stupid analogies that don't hold water to prove a point. you know, like ALL PLAYERS MUST BE THERE when that's simply not the case in the end.

Again, the point was there are legit excuses and being too stupid to recognize that your family vacation was scheduled during OTAs is not a good one.

then are you mad at romo? after all, he scheduled some golf time. how dare he? did he not know???

And he is at the OTAs. He had a conflict and changed his plans.

you seem to live and die by utlimatums that don't hold up in reality. and for the record, so far i'd have peplaw at my lawyer. it's not his fault you've got silly arguments to begin with or that you can't see them or that you expect everyone to have *your* illustrious work ethic and anything less is wrong even though the average person does take time off when they can.

I have no problem with people taking time off. What I have a problem with is someone who gets 4-5 months free and clear taking time off when their teammates are at work. Schedule you freaking vacation during those 4-5 months.

 

[iceberg]

When EVERY other player is there it is clear where the guy is supposed to be.

Again, the point was there are legit excuses and being too stupid to recognize that your family vacation was scheduled during OTAs is not a good one.


And he is at the OTAs. He had a conflict and changed his plans.

I have no problem with people taking time off. What I have a problem with is someone who gets 4-5 months free and clear taking time off when their teammates are at work. Schedule you freaking vacation during those 4-5 months.

you have a problem with people NOT doing it your way.

also - it's impossible for roy to have planned his vacation during SCHEDULED OTA's cause they were not scheduled yet. were they? the problem is he didn't cancel AFTER they came out. you can make up "well he knew when they're held!" but they were held in june last year, right? so he didn't know. not knowing is why he asked and cleared the date. all seem resaonable to me so far. romo didn't know so he made other plans. so maybe this "locked down dates" are not as locked down as you'd seem and you expect all players (or maybe just roy) to keep his life open for a month waiting on OTA dates while his family may have only been able to take THAT time - you know, the time he got permission TO take off.

see you mixing things up again for your benefit? mad he scheduled then when that's shot down you're mad he didn't change plans. in short, you're just mad.

got it. like i said, you have a problem with people NOT doing things your way. that's not roys problem.

 

[AbeBeta]

also - it's impossible for roy to have planned his vacation during SCHEDULED OTA's cause they were not scheduled yet. were they? the problem is he didn't cancel AFTER they came out. you can make up "well he knew when they're held!" but they were held in june last year, right? so he didn't know. not knowing is why he asked and cleared the date. all seem resaonable to me so far. romo didn't know so he made other plans. so maybe this "locked down dates" are not as locked down as you'd seem and you expect all players (or maybe just roy) to keep his life open for a month waiting on OTA dates while his family may have only been able to take THAT time - you know, the time he got permission TO take off.

see you mixing things up again for your benefit? mad he scheduled then when that's shot down you're mad he didn't change plans. in short, you're just mad.

got it. like i said, you have a problem with people NOT doing things your way. that's not roys problem.

How many times do I need to post this quote from Mosley's article?

"I talked to two players who were shocked Williams didn't show up -- especially in light of recent events. One player, a starter on defense, said that most players assume that "voluntary" OTAs will occur in mid- to late May and plan their schedules accordingly. They want to be supportive of Williams, but he's not making it easy."

It is pretty clear that players know roughly when this stuff is going to be scheduled.

I could care less about Roy doing it "my way" -- what I care about is him doing it the way his TEAMMATES want. And that quote pretty much shows that they think he needed to be there.