DMN BLOG: Shockey to the saints?

[theebs]

I didn't say anything about Burress' TD in the first game of the season.




Boss wasn't in Roy's zone, so how would Roy be responsible?



The line of scrimmage was the 23. Roy lined up at the 20, then dropped a little as the wide receiver on his side ran past him into a deeper zone. Jacobs came out of the backfield into Roy's zone. When the ball was thrown, Jacobs was at the 20, and Roy was at the 17. Roy reacted to the ball being thrown, took a few steps back, then leaped for the ball just inside the 13. Boss caught the ball at the 7. Burnett trailed Boss the entire play and was right behind him when the ball was caught. Boss caught the ball in Reeves' zone, right in front of Reeves. There is NO coverage scheme that would have Roy cover one guy at the 20 and another guy at the 7.



He was in the vicinity because he was playing on the same side of the field. He wasn't responsible for the coverage. On the first one, Roy was 1 yard off the center when the ball was snapped, faking a blitz. He dropped into the middle zone and was still well inside the numbers when the ball was thrown to the sideline. The second one was a short sideline hook against Reeves. Roy was inside, near the tight end. And I already explained what happened on Boss' catch. There were two incompletions against Reeves on the drive, and Roy wasn't near Reeves on either play (one hook when Eli bounced the pass and one post into the end zone).



What? Roy was right with Smith and almost certainly would have made the tackle if Smith had caught the ball. If he somehow got away from Roy, Smith still had 20 yards to go and four or five other defenders he'd have to get past. It's a huge stretch to say it would have been a touchdown if Canty hadn't batted it down. There's no guarantee Eli would have even thrown a catchable pass, or that Smith would have caught it, let alone that he would have gotten past Roy, Burnett, Hamlin, Watkins, Reeves and possibly Henry to score a touchdown.

I will just comment on the last one. Look at the play again. Smith has run right past roy. Thats all. Its obvious. Would eli had made the throw or smith caught it? I dont know, judging from the rest of the game I would have to say yes.

As far as a few of the others go like I said before, We dont know if they were in man or zone. If it was man, roy is off the hook. If its zone then well its an argument that is valid. And again the main culprit was Reeves everytime.

and again, I like Roy I am pulling for him to bounce back. I think you go out of your way to make excuses for roy. He is part of the problem in the secondary on many occasions. Teams throw right at him. They did it when glenn was out there and they did it with reeves, again, reeves was the target most of the time last year though. The one thing that is for sure, if we are to take the next step the third corner had better be better and roy had better make some plays.

 

[AdamJT13]

1st off maybe because when we go into the nickel he's only asked to cover the rb or fb cause he can't cover a wr or TE.

Wrong.

First of all, we're in the nickel only about 35 percent of the time. That means Roy is a deep safety about 65 percent of the time, and usually in a Cover 2 scheme. Teams did throw deep passes against him, they just never completed one. And when he was a nickel linebacker, he absolutely had to cover wide receivers and tight ends, too. Saying he covered only running backs is downright stupid.

than we were forced to play a lot of zone with him last year cause wade/stewart knows he can't cover.

That's a complete fabrication. Roy is the only safety we had who WAS asked to play man-to-man. When we manned up a safety on a tight end, it was always Roy.

i know there was one at least 20 yards that you're not counting.

Be specific. I'm interested to find out exactly which long pass you're pretending came against Roy.

**** jerry hired campo to be roy's ******** personel coach cause he **** so bad.

Another complete fabrication. Campo is the secondary coach, not just "Roy's" coach, and he was hired because our former secondary coach (Todd Bowles, FYI) went to the Dolphins.

 

[Rampage]

Wrong.

First of all, we're in the nickel only about 35 percent of the time. That means Roy is a deep safety about 65 percent of the time, and usually in a Cover 2 scheme. Teams did throw deep passes against him, they just never completed one. And when he was a nickel linebacker, he absolutely had to cover wide receivers and tight ends, too. Saying he covered only running backs is downright stupid.

he rarely covered wrs in the nickel and if he did it was mostly zone to give is fatarse some help

That's a complete fabrication. Roy is the only safety we had who WAS asked to play man-to-man. When we manned up a safety on a tight end, it was always Roy.


and passes were usually completed on him even when they tried to give him help with ellis or reeves.
Be specific. I'm interested to find out exactly which long pass you're pretending came against Roy.

i'd figured with stats and game film being what your life is about you would know which plays. i'll get back to you on this one i gotta see what games i taped and still have from last year.

Another complete fabrication. Campo is the secondary coach, not just "Roy's" coach, and he was hired because our former secondary coach (Todd Bowles, FYI) went to the Dolphins.

didn't we hire another secondary coach? maxie or something like that?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

another adam ball licker i see. to your zone comment, we had to dumb down our defense to try to "hide" roy. if he proves me wrong than i'm wrong and you can go back to ball licking. yes i know he was a db coach under jimmy and if you think jerry bringing him back had nothing to do with roy i'm just gonna have to laugh at you. deon grant did against washington in the playoffs last year. the safety for the packers did last year in the playoffs too. oh no! i disagreed with hos on his opinion of who we will draft/sign. i know he's another one who you get hard for.

Emo much?

 

[JPM]

Ball licker ? Another internet tuff guy.

 

[AdamJT13]

I will just comment on the last one. Look at the play again. Smith has run right past roy. Thats all. Its obvious.

I've watched that play several times already today, and Roy was right behind Smith.

Here's a screencap as the ball was batted down --

Would eli had made the throw or smith caught it? I dont know, judging from the rest of the game I would have to say yes.

Or Eli could have misfired, as he did on two of his previous four passes.

 

[iceberg]

didn't we hire another secondary coach? maxie or something like that?

he's got you flustered. you can't even quote properly now.

but please, continue. my popcorn just finished.

 

[AdamJT13]

he rarely covered wrs in the nickel and if he did it was mostly zone to give is ******* some help

He covered wide receivers whenever he had to, just as any other safety does. And safeties are virtually never in man-to-man against a wide receiver under any circumstances, anyway. Hamlin never covered a wide receiver -- or anyone else -- man-to-man last season.

And what "help" would Roy get in zone coverage? Nobody else would be covering in his zone.

i'd figured with stats and game film being what your life is about you would know which plays.

If they existed, I would know. I've examined every completion against us that came more than 20 yards downfield (there weren't many of them), and Watson's catch was the only one against Roy.

i'll get back to you on this one

I'm sure you will. I'll be waiting.

 

[Rampage]

he's got you flustered. you can't even quote properly now.

but please, continue. my popcorn just finished.

you have no idea what you're talking about. go try and pick an arguement with somebody else.

 

[iceberg]

you have no idea what you're talking about. go try and pick an arguement with somebody else.

oh, i'm not picking an argument dude. but i am watching a very one-sided beating.

 

[Rampage]

oh, i'm not picking an argument dude. but i am watching a very one-sided beating.

:laugh2: beating of words? wow what will i ever do if i lose a discussion, softy?

 

[iceberg]

:laugh2: beating of words? wow what will i ever do if i lose a discussion, softy?

well the first step would be admitting it. you've got incredible denial.

 

[Rampage]

well the first step would be admitting it. you've got incredible denial.

i said i thought he was in on the play with reeves. which means what i thought was wrong. man how bad did you get picked on when you were a kid.

 

[iceberg]

i said i thought he was in on the play with reeves. which means what i thought was wrong. man how bad did you get picked on when you were a kid.

i'm sorry, what did yo....

 

[Rampage]

i'm sorry, what did yo....

right

 

[khiladi]

I've watched that play several times already today, and Roy was right behind Smith.

Here's a screencap as the ball was batted down --

Uh that play shows that Steve beat Roy... He has at least 2 steps on him..

Or Eli could have misfired, as he did on two of his previous four passes

Doesn't matter... Roy was still beat...

 

[khiladi]

How about we quote Jerry Jones again:

"I think that we can expect a much more productive Roy Williams this coming year. That would imply that he had room to be more productive, and I think there are several things I think Roy will know and better deal with. The Roy Williams rule -- I think he will have an acclimation and handle it better. I think that is something that has impacted his play. And I know that it has. I handled the hearing. I represented him on the hearing in the suspension. My point is that is something that has had an impact on him.

But that's not only technique, that's positioning. That's a lot of things. That's get out of ahead of the guy, a little more than coming from behind. There are a lot of things that are involved there he needs to work on. I know he's going to do it better. There are things that impact that can make that better. Our coaching staff, Wade (Phillips), can do some things that can help his game. He'll do better. ...

"My answer to all of (the criticism) is I have every reason to believe technically not just willing it or wishing I, I have every reason to believe he'll play better than last year."

So Adam is telling us one thing, and Jerry is telling us another. SO who has the inside information on where Roy is suppose to be positioned? Who has mor eknowledge about Roy's productivity?

Liek I said, we played a lot of zone and we have no idea how many times Roy was out of position in his zone, and the TE or receiver caught a pass that made it look like it was purely Reeves fault. But the fact is, even Jerry was talking about positioning and how Roy was often BEHIND the guy, instead of getting out AHEAD of the guy.

 

[Rampage]

Khiladi, nice work

 

[iceberg]

How about we quote Jerry Jones again:



So Adam is telling us one thing, and Jerry is telling us another. SO who has the inside information on where Roy is suppose to be positioned? Who has mor eknowledge about Roy's productivity?

Liek I said, we played a lot of zone and we have no idea how many times Roy was out of position in his zone, and the TE or receiver caught a pass that made it look like it was purely Reeves fault. But the fact is, even Jerry was talking about positioning and how Roy was often BEHIND the guy, instead of getting out AHEAD of the guy.

can we be more specific? like where does jones say roy got beat a lot for 20+ yard passes?

 

[Rampage]

can we be more specific? like where does jones say roy got beat a lot for 20+ yard passes?

you're so slow.