DMN BLOG: Shockey to the saints?

[iceberg]

you're so slow.

sorry. it's the only way i'll ever be able to understand you.

 

[AdamJT13]

Uh that play shows that Steve beat Roy... He has at least 2 steps on him..

That's "at least two steps"? Theebs said it was 4 or 5 yards. Looks like maybe a step to me, and that was because Smith came out of his break before Roy did. But there's no question Roy would be in position to make that tackle if Smith had caught the pass.

Doesn't matter... Roy was still beat...

That's not the point. A receiver getting a step (toward the sideline, not downfield) on a defensive back when coming out of his break is nothing. My point was that Roy wasn't "4 or 5 yards" away from Roy, and it definitely wouldn't have been an easy TD if the pass had been completed.

 

[Sarge]

I'd rather have a root canal than listen to, or read excuses for Williams' piss-poor play.

 

[Rampage]

That's "at least two steps"? Theebs said it was 4 or 5 yards. Looks like maybe a step to me, and that was because Smith came out of his break before Roy did. But there's no question Roy would be in position to make that tackle if Smith had caught the pass.



That's not the point. A receiver getting a step (toward the sideline, not downfield) on a defensive back when coming out of his break is nothing. My point was that Roy wasn't "4 or 5 yards" away from Roy, and it definitely wouldn't have been an easy TD if the pass had been completed.

he's in perfect position for a horsecollar tackle. speaking of close, did you counbt those penalty yards for roy only gining up 1 20 yard pass last season?

 

[AdamJT13]

How about we quote Jerry Jones again:

"I think that we can expect a much more productive Roy Williams this coming year. That would imply that he had room to be more productive, and I think there are several things I think Roy will know and better deal with. The Roy Williams rule -- I think he will have an acclimation and handle it better. I think that is something that has impacted his play. And I know that it has. I handled the hearing. I represented him on the hearing in the suspension. My point is that is something that has had an impact on him.

But that's not only technique, that's positioning. That's a lot of things. That's get out of ahead of the guy, a little more than coming from behind. There are a lot of things that are involved there he needs to work on. I know he's going to do it better. There are things that impact that can make that better. Our coaching staff, Wade (Phillips), can do some things that can help his game. He'll do better. ...

"My answer to all of (the criticism) is I have every reason to believe technically not just willing it or wishing I, I have every reason to believe he'll play better than last year."

So Adam is telling us one thing, and Jerry is telling us another.

When did Jerry contradict anything I've said in this thread?

Jerry talked about Roy needing to be more productive (exactly what I've said all offseason). And he talked about horsecollars.

Liek I said, we played a lot of zone and we have no idea how many times Roy was out of position in his zone, and the TE or receiver caught a pass that made it look like it was purely Reeves fault. But the fact is, even Jerry was talking about positioning and how Roy was often BEHIND the guy, instead of getting out AHEAD of the guy.

Jerry was talking about horsecollars. Roy wasn't covering Donovan McNabb or Marshawn Lynch, they were running with the ball. And when he horsecollared Desmond Clark, it was on a 6-yard pass in front of Roy when Clark tried to run out of bounds (and Roy wanted to keep him inbounds right before the half). Last year, Roy's only horsecollar came on a running play by Tiki Barber. There's not been a single horsecollar when Roy was caught out of position in coverage and had to horsecollar his receiver because of it.

 

[Rampage]

When did Jerry contradict anything I've said in this thread?

Jerry talked about Roy needing to be more productive (exactly what I've said all offseason). And he talked about horsecollars.




Jerry was talking about horsecollars. Roy wasn't covering Donovan McNabb or Marshawn Lynch, they were running with the ball. And when he horsecollared Desmond Clark, it was on a 6-yard pass in front of Roy when Clark tried to run out of bounds (and Roy wanted to keep him inbounds right before the half). Last year, Roy's only horsecollar came on a running play by Tiki Barber. There's not been a single horsecollar when Roy was caught out of position in coverage and had to horsecollar his receiver because of it.

he did it to toomer in the second giant game he just didn't get called for it.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

This is so funny. This thing could go on for pages and pages about people's hatred, or defense, for Roy Williams.

 

[iceberg]

This is so funny. This thing could go on for pages and pages about people's hatred, or defense, for Roy Williams.

 

[JPM]

This is so funny. This thing could go on for pages and pages about people's hatred, or defense, for Roy Williams.

It happens every Roy thread. Every one. And the personal insults usually aren't too far behind either.

 

[AdamJT13]

he did it to toomer in the second giant game he just didn't get called for it.

First of all, Roy wasn't out of position in coverage on that play. In fact, he prevented a huge play by making the tackle after Burnett blew a zone coverage.

Secondly, if it had been a horsecollar, Roy would have been fined and suspended for it. You don't need to get penalized to be suspended for horsecollars, unnecessary roughness, etc. The NFL officies review every play to make sure they were officiated properly, and if Roy had been guilty of a horsecollar, they would have let him know about it. That's what happened on the Marshawn Lynch horsecollar. He wasn't even penalized for it during the game, but he was fined $15,000 for it later, and it led to his one-game suspension for horsecollaring McNabb.

 

[khiladi]

That's "at least two steps"? Theebs said it was 4 or 5 yards. Looks like maybe a step to me, and that was because Smith came out of his break before Roy did. But there's no question Roy would be in position to make that tackle if Smith had caught the pass.

Have you ever played football? Whether it was 4 or 5 yards or 2 steps, the odds are, if Smith caught the pass, he would have left Roy Williams behind. The exact 'distance' is just nit-picking. But I'm not that worried about the play anyways, because SMith is a WR. And Roy is a SS safety so if you got that match-up, it's a good call by the offense.

That's not the point. A receiver getting a step (toward the sideline, not downfield) on a defensive back when coming out of his break is nothing. My point was that Roy wasn't "4 or 5 yards" away from Roy, and it definitely wouldn't have been an easy TD if the pass had been completed.

Yes, it is the point. Roy was beat, plain and simple. There is no point in defending Roy. It may not be an easy touchdown, but the reason surely isn't Roy on that play. Smith's break is diagonal, and not only would he have been running to the sid-line, he is running upfield. He could easily make it to the first-down marker if he caught it.

 

[khiladi]

Jerry was talking about horsecollars. Roy wasn't covering Donovan McNabb or Marshawn Lynch, they were running with the ball. And when he horsecollared Desmond Clark, it was on a 6-yard pass in front of Roy when Clark tried to run out of bounds (and Roy wanted to keep him inbounds right before the half). Last year, Roy's only horsecollar came on a running play by Tiki Barber. There's not been a single horsecollar when Roy was caught out of position in coverage and had to horsecollar his receiver because of it.

No, Jerry was talking about Roy's play dropping off. Whether it was because of the horse-collar rule impacting his play or not, the fact is his play dropped off. SO all the defending about Roy being in position to make tackles is moot. Jerry specifically stated he was out of position and often took bad angles. If it was just the horse-collar rule, the fact still remains, he never adjusted to the rules.

As Rampage said, he is in perfect position on that play for a horse-tackle.

So with all your analysis regarding how many horse-collars Roy made last year, are you admitting the reason Roy's play dropped off is because he couldn't horse-collar anymore?