DMN: BLOG: What would you give up for (Det) Roy Williams?
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ELDudearino;1920780 said:Somebody refresh my memory but wasn't Galloway a rookie when we got him? And didn't he break his leg twice? If the answer is yes to either then it's a moot point.
The whole Irvin/Rice debate is also pointless because both would have to change their style in todays game regardless, but assuming they were transplanted in time to do this, giving their youth and skill I'm quite sure they would adapt. Who cares ladies...
1. No galloway wasn't a rookie.
2. Why would Irvin/Rice have to change their styles? The rules have changed to make things EASIER for WRs today, not harder. If a CB from back then were to play today HE would have to change his style, but not any of the WRs. Hell, even Alexander Wright might be worth a crap in today's NFL. Maybe.
3. Who cares? Obviously you do, Steven, or you wouldn't have replied.
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3rd Round and Roy Williams.....
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What is going to drive this whole thing is what SOMEONE will be willing to give. Someone in this league will SURELY give up a 2nd for him....and maybe a first if they are desperate.
He may just not make it to next year (As some posters have pointed out that we should just wait)...
I don't like waiting....I guess I am just not the patient type....
Kev
He may just not make it to next year (As some posters have pointed out that we should just wait)...
I don't like waiting....I guess I am just not the patient type....
Kev
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CATCH17;1920856 said:
im with you on this one. prefer a second or higher, but if that is what they want
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SS Roy Williams and a cheeseburger Happy Meal.
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T.O, Roy Williams, T.Glenn(if he comes back), and Crayton?
Thats the best receiving corp in the league. Forget N.E.
T.O, Roy Williams, T.Glenn(if he comes back), and Crayton?
Thats the best receiving corp in the league. Forget N.E.
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CowboyJeff;1921000 said:
as long as we get the toy
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I'd give up either number 1 and a 6th to get it done but would start with offering a 2nd and 7th like the Pats did for Welker.
If they wanted a vet player they could have a number of different guys and a 2nd to 5th round pick depending on the player they wanted.
Carpenter is who I'd try to trade because he is probably worth more to them than he is to us. Big 10 country can appreciate him more than we can. Plus they like speed, finesse LBs.
If they wanted a vet player they could have a number of different guys and a 2nd to 5th round pick depending on the player they wanted.
Carpenter is who I'd try to trade because he is probably worth more to them than he is to us. Big 10 country can appreciate him more than we can. Plus they like speed, finesse LBs.
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A sure fire thing 26 year old #1 WR is worth at least a first and third round pick, given the high bust rates of WR's taken highly in the draft. The Patriots gave up a 2nd rounder for a slot WR.
I could really care less if Roy Williams is healthy for all 16 regular season games next year, just as long as he's ready to go by the playoffs.
I could really care less if Roy Williams is healthy for all 16 regular season games next year, just as long as he's ready to go by the playoffs.
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Ask yourself would you want this guy last year after he came off an amazing season in which he had 82/1310/16.0 ypc/7 TD season? He is coming off a mediocre season due to injury so this is the time to pick him up. He still played 12 games last season. He has averaged 15.0 yards per catch for his career. I would much rather have Roy Williams than Larry Fitzgerald. I know that's taboo to say on this forum but Roy is a better fit for us. Larry is a better overall receiver but he is painfully slow. Roy Williams has better big play potential and will keep a secondary honest, which will open up plays for us underneath. I would give up a late first round pick for him. If you can get a top flight receiver with a late first round pick, it's completely worth it. We waste first round picks all the time, just look at our recent history with Bobby Carpenter
Plus, you have to take the environment he is in into consideration. A lot of high draft picks have went to Detroit and only Roy Williams has really succeeded there. If he came to Dallas, he would be freed up to do a lot more damage on the field and the winning environment would motivate him to play harder
Plus, you have to take the environment he is in into consideration. A lot of high draft picks have went to Detroit and only Roy Williams has really succeeded there. If he came to Dallas, he would be freed up to do a lot more damage on the field and the winning environment would motivate him to play harder
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I think some people don't realize how freaky athletic Roy is. Even in a league of amazing athletes, he stands out. That kind of potential is why you take a chance.
Yes, the injury thing worries me a little, but for that talent at that young an age -- especially for someone who is a good guy and solid person, unlike some of the egomaniacal drama queen WRs out there -- I definitely give a first.
And he wants to be here. This is the Bigg situation all over again.
Probably the only way I *wouldn't* do it is if you have word that he'd come here for free (draft pick-wise) the following year when he's a UFA. In that case, as much as we'd all like to see him here now, I'd wait and use that 1st to draft someone. I think we have to resist the temptation to think that we need to panic and grab for everything *right now*. We have a good young QB and no major cap problems, so our window should be open for several years.
Yes, the injury thing worries me a little, but for that talent at that young an age -- especially for someone who is a good guy and solid person, unlike some of the egomaniacal drama queen WRs out there -- I definitely give a first.
And he wants to be here. This is the Bigg situation all over again.
Probably the only way I *wouldn't* do it is if you have word that he'd come here for free (draft pick-wise) the following year when he's a UFA. In that case, as much as we'd all like to see him here now, I'd wait and use that 1st to draft someone. I think we have to resist the temptation to think that we need to panic and grab for everything *right now*. We have a good young QB and no major cap problems, so our window should be open for several years.
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Erm, what about the whole "Williams becomes a FA after the season" thing? If he has a big year, he knows there'll be teams lining up for him and that he'll be in for a huge payday. We'll just end up one of the many suitors for him because he's not going to immediately agree to a new contract during the season or after the season is over.
I'd rather draft or sign a FA WR rather than give up a pick or two for one given the quality of the pick(s) we'd have to give up.
I'd rather draft or sign a FA WR rather than give up a pick or two for one given the quality of the pick(s) we'd have to give up.
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A few things stand out to me in a discussion about Roy Williams. The first is that he has been very productive in a bad system with little help. He has not played with good QBs. I, for one, believe that he has been succesful in spite of the team he plays for.
I would also say that anybody who believes that we can compare a trade for Roy Williams to that of Randy Moss is going to be disappointed. The Randy Moss trade was a steal. When he was traded, I said that we should have given up a 2nd for him. Everybody laughed, which is fine, but in retrospect I think you have to say that he would have been worth a 2nd. Because of the production Moss has provided, any trade for a 4th is going to be out of the question IMO.
It has been pointed out but I think it's worth saying again. If you look at what our offense looks like now, and then you project a player like Williams into this offense, who is going to have the size or skill level on the defensive side of the football to match up with Owens, Roy Williams, Witten and Crayton as our third (not to mention Glenn should he come back)? The size factor alone is going to create huge match up problems for anybody. You can almost bank on the fact that nobody is going to play 8 men in the box because they can't afford to take the risk. That lineup creates huge match up problems for any team in the NFL.
Lastly, I think that you have to be aware of the fact that other teams are going to bid on Williams. We will not be the only interested party, assuming we get involved. It may take a 1st but, I'd say that his worth is probably a high second. Williams still has to be signed by any team that trades for him. I think the chances of us signing him are better then just about any other team. Having said that, we would still have to get a trade done. IMO, a fair deal would be our 28 for Williams and Detroits 3rd. To me, the is equitable for both teams.
I am in favor of trading for this player. I would do a deal like that if given the opportunity.
I would also say that anybody who believes that we can compare a trade for Roy Williams to that of Randy Moss is going to be disappointed. The Randy Moss trade was a steal. When he was traded, I said that we should have given up a 2nd for him. Everybody laughed, which is fine, but in retrospect I think you have to say that he would have been worth a 2nd. Because of the production Moss has provided, any trade for a 4th is going to be out of the question IMO.
It has been pointed out but I think it's worth saying again. If you look at what our offense looks like now, and then you project a player like Williams into this offense, who is going to have the size or skill level on the defensive side of the football to match up with Owens, Roy Williams, Witten and Crayton as our third (not to mention Glenn should he come back)? The size factor alone is going to create huge match up problems for anybody. You can almost bank on the fact that nobody is going to play 8 men in the box because they can't afford to take the risk. That lineup creates huge match up problems for any team in the NFL.
Lastly, I think that you have to be aware of the fact that other teams are going to bid on Williams. We will not be the only interested party, assuming we get involved. It may take a 1st but, I'd say that his worth is probably a high second. Williams still has to be signed by any team that trades for him. I think the chances of us signing him are better then just about any other team. Having said that, we would still have to get a trade done. IMO, a fair deal would be our 28 for Williams and Detroits 3rd. To me, the is equitable for both teams.
I am in favor of trading for this player. I would do a deal like that if given the opportunity.
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Are you really going to get a better player for a 1st rounder than Williams? I don't think you will. There's a chance you could find one at WR, but he will take a few years to develope.
Pull the trigger now, get Williams, and make a run at the SB.
Pull the trigger now, get Williams, and make a run at the SB.
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If you're running this franchise and thinking about short-term and long-term, I think this is something to pursue.
Short-term, you defintitely want an upgrade at receiver. You probably are losing Terry Glenn. You want some speed and big-play ability. You are a Super Bowl contender, and you might not want to rely on a rookie making those big plays, especially when you consider that wide receivers are known to bust more frequently than many positions.
Long term, Terrell Owens is your clear #1 receiver. His body is his temple, and he stays in great shape, but he is also aging. Your star quarterback is young and deserves to have the same kind of weapons as other elite QBs. You'd like someone who can not only compliment TO now but who could also replace some of his production in the coming years.
I know that I would feel a little better about all of it with someone who has proven as much as Roy Williams has and wants so badly to be a Cowboy.
Short-term, you defintitely want an upgrade at receiver. You probably are losing Terry Glenn. You want some speed and big-play ability. You are a Super Bowl contender, and you might not want to rely on a rookie making those big plays, especially when you consider that wide receivers are known to bust more frequently than many positions.
Long term, Terrell Owens is your clear #1 receiver. His body is his temple, and he stays in great shape, but he is also aging. Your star quarterback is young and deserves to have the same kind of weapons as other elite QBs. You'd like someone who can not only compliment TO now but who could also replace some of his production in the coming years.
I know that I would feel a little better about all of it with someone who has proven as much as Roy Williams has and wants so badly to be a Cowboy.
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Chocolate Lab;1921087 said:
Agreed but you don't place all your eggs in one basket. Not only should we get Roy Williams but another receiver too. The Patriots picked up 3 receivers this offseason.
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Chocolate Lab;1921087 said:
I want to add to your comment. Look at this guys weight! Most guys as fast as Roy Williams don't weigh anywhere near 220 lbs. Larry Fitzgerald is 6'3 and listed at 226 lbs and is considered a physical possession type. Roy Williams is thought of as a burner This guys is extremely fast and powerful.