DMN: BLOG: What would you give up for (Det) Roy Williams?

[theogt]

Kinda depends on who's sittin' there when we're pickin' at #8..

You should know by now who all will potentially be sitting there at #8.

 

[DaBoyz73]

it's 29 btw

and I would only do the 1st round pick, I definitely wouldn't start the bidding at a 1st round pick though

Correction 28

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Correction 28

yes, I've been so advised

good lookin' out though

 

[DaBoyz73]

yes, I've been so advised

good lookin' out though

No problem, since the G Men are going to the show everyone moved up one spot.

 

[kmd24]

He's had 4 NFL seasons and only 1 complete season, playing only 12 games this year...only 1 1000 yard season. He's a guy I'd love to have in Dallas, but I'd be hesitant to give up a #1 pick for a guy with his NFL history so far.

Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin are just about the only receivers drafted in the last 6-7 years that have been more productive than RW over the first four years of their careers. Many elite receivers posted similar stats to RW early on in their careers, including TO, Reggie Wayne, and Chad Johnson.

The Randy Mosses and Torry Holts of the league are very rare. It's pretty obvious that Dallas needs a starting receiver, and looking for one in the draft is not going to help in 2008.

 

[DaBoyz73]

Schmitt in the 3rd seems like such a waste

Are you happy with Hoyte?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Are you happy with Hoyte?

yes

and believe Deon Anderson has alot of potential for us

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

or Tavares Gooden, or Shawn Crable, or Bruce Davis

Oh ok...

 

[Rack]

Well my way of thinking is this....we are a team that is real close to being in the big dance and winning it. ^he last time we were tis close JJ & JJ went out and bought Haley which put us over the top.

This is incorrect. You're only remembering the time it worked. The last time we were this close we went out and traded 2 firsts for Joey Galloway.

It didn't work out.

Over their first 4 seasons...

Michael Irvin (Games - Yards)
14 - 654
6 - 378
12 - 413
16 - 1523

Total Games - 48
Total Yards - 2968
Yards Per Game - 61.83

Roy Williams (Games - Yards)
12 - 817
16 - 687
13 - 1310
14 - 838

Total Games - 55
Total Yards - 3652
Yards Per Game - 66.4

Those comparisons mean nothing as they come from two different eras of the game. Back then DBs could still cover downfield, safeties could still knock WRs out, and DL could still hit the QB.

I'm sorry, but if Irvin started his career at the same time Roy started his, Irvin's numbers would BLOW Roy's numbers out of the water, even with less games played.

 

[DaBoyz73]

yes

and believe Deon Anderson has alot of potential for us

I saw Owen on the NFLNetwork today and he looks big.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

yes

and believe Deon Anderson has alot of potential for us

Deon "Cricket" Anderson is going to be the starting full back for Dallas next year...

 

[theogt]

I'm sorry, but if Irvin started his career at the same time Roy started his, Irvin's numbers would BLOW Roy's numbers out of the water, even with less games played.

Probably not.

Corners today are leaps and bounds more athletic than they were in Irvin's first 4 years, so it would be easier for them today to cover a slower, smaller receiver such as Irvin. And Irvin was also allowed to be more physical then, than he would be now. The passing game is favored more today than in the past, but you can hardly say that a player from the past would succeed more in today's game, than in the past.

 

[slick325]

Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin are just about the only receivers drafted in the last 6-7 years that have been more productive than RW over the first four years of their careers. Many elite receivers posted similar stats to RW early on in their careers, including TO, Reggie Wayne, and Chad Johnson.

The Randy Mosses and Torry Holts of the league are very rare. It's pretty obvious that Dallas needs a starting receiver, and looking for one in the draft is not going to help in 2008.

Very good post.

 

[Rack]

Probably not.

Corners today are leaps and bounds more athletic than they were in Irvin's first 4 years, so it would be easier for them today to cover a slower, smaller receiver such as Irvin. And Irvin was also allowed to be more physical then, than he would be now. The passing game is favored more today than in the past, but you can hardly say that a player from the past would succeed more in today's game, than in the past.

That is a giant load of CRAP and you know it.


I guess they'd be able to cover Jerry Rice too.


YEah that makes sense, all these rules making it EASIER for WRs in todays NFL, yet it would have been HARDER for Irvin to make plays.

My gawd Theo, sometimes you say the dumbest freakin' crap.

 

[theogt]

That is a giant load of CRAP and you know it.


I guess they'd be able to cover Jerry Rice too.


YEah that makes sense, all these rules making it EASIER for WRs in todays NFL, yet it would have been HARDER for Irvin to make plays.

My gawd Theo, sometimes you say the dumbest freakin' crap.

No, I don't think that if you put Jerry Rice in his rookie season in the NFL in 2008, that his stats would be much better. I think they'd likely be worse. This is just part of the problem of cross-comparing eras.

 

[Nors]

Roy Williams and cash

 

[Beast_from_East]

...most sane people would agree with you.............

Beast agrees with Sarge, it would be ****** dumb to trade a 1st AND 2nd for Roy Williams.

I would love to have the guy, but dam lets not get crazy here. He is going to be a free agent after the 08 season, correct?

Then why trade multiple picks when we can wait till next year and sign him for nothing. Give me a half-decent corner and a quick, fast change-up back to rotate with MB3 and I am happy.

 

[slick325]

I didn't realize that Roy Williams averages 15 yds/catch. That's similar to Terry Glenn's 14.9 yds/catch over his career. Roy must have some deep threat capability.

I would no doubt consider the Dallas 1st rounder for him or Dallas' 2nd rounder plus a 6th.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Kinda depends on who's sittin' there when we're pickin' at #8..

Trade a top 10 pick for a player you can sign next year for nothing?

WOW:bang2:

 

[Billy Bullocks]

No, I don't think that if you put Jerry Rice in his rookie season in the NFL in 2008, that his stats would be much better. I think they'd likely be worse. This is just part of the problem of cross-comparing eras.

You do realize that at the age of 39, Rice had 83 catches for 1139 yards, and at 40 he put up 92 catches for 1211 yards.

So after he had "lost a step" and was playing against these superior corners he still put up great numbers.