DMN: BLOG: What would you give up for (Det) Roy Williams?

[ddh33]

Just watch his 95 yard touchdown from earlier this season. The guy is a monster.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

if we could trade the 28th pick for Roy, and use the 22nd pick on Leodis

man, what a offseason

 

[slick325]

Agreed but you don't place all your eggs in one basket. Not only should we get Roy Williams but another receiver too. The Patriots picked up 3 receivers this offseason.

I'm not sure Dallas will pick up more than one WR this offseason. The reasons being: 1) Dallas doesn't run a great deal of 4 wide sets because of their Pro Bowl TE; 2) Dallas just paid Crayton and are looking to possibly extend T.O., so that occupies two known roster spots at WR; and 3) The organization was high on Stanbach and liked him enough to use a 4th on him despite his foot injury that would turn his first season into a "redshirt" year.

That means Dallas has three WR's set on the roster barring some freak disaster. If they carry 5 WR's like they normally do, one of the two remaining slots has to go to a special teams guy. IMO, that means Austin can make the squad instead of Hurd. The remaining spot would have to go to a guy who is either ready to be the #2 WR right now and future #1 (see: Roy Williams or Larry Fitzgerald) or a rookie who will compete with Stanbach for the #3 spot or possibly push Crayton at #2.

As I have stated previously, if I am the GM I offer Detriot a 2nd and 6th for Roy Williams and if that isn't enough (shouldn't be if a 2nd and 7th was traded for a lesser commodity in Wes Welker) I offer pick #28. Problem solved at WR.

 

[Nexx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H37NpIpny60

just watch this video. he big, tall wr, who is very fast, quick and runs with long strides. looks very similar to another wideout thats already on the roster. roy runs with an attitude once has the ball, like he thinks its his right to take it to the house everytime. i love this guy.

 

[slick325]

if we could trade the 28th pick for Roy, and use the 22nd pick on Leodis

man, what a offseason

McKelvin or Talib plus Roy Williams out of the 1st round picks would be great!

Add to that: re-signing Hamlin and Flo; getting T.O. to sign an extension; longterm deals for MBIII and Canty; keeping the exclusive rights free agents and all the restricted free agents except Tyson Thompson.

What an offseason indeed!

 

[CF74]

2. Why would Irvin/Rice have to change their styles?

Well for one Irvin was the master of pushing off and now he'd be called for that. That's all I got but I'm sure I'm missing something

 

[Billy Bullocks]

+1, if we were honestly gonna use a 1st on a wideout and the lions are willing to part with roy for a 1st, you arent gonna get a better wr at 22 than roy. and even better if they will take our 28th.

Exactly. He is a freakish athlete.

And it's not like this guy is 30. He's like 26 or 27. That's pretty damn young. So you're giving up a 1st round pick for a WR that has passed the early learning curve.

Chances are if you draft a WR in the 1st round, he wont become productive for at least 2seasons. Might as well just grab Williams now.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

McKelvin or Talib plus Roy Williams out of the 1st round picks would be great!

Add to that: re-signing Hamlin and Flo; getting T.O. to sign an extension; longterm deals for MBIII and Canty; keeping the exclusive rights free agents and all the restricted free agents except Tyson Thompson.

What an offseason indeed!

amen, brotha

 

[CoCo]

Go review the first round picks of recent drafts and you'll understand that even the first round of the draft is a very risky proposition.

I think we also need to consider the fact that the depth on our team is getting to a point that draft picks (not saying 1st's or 2nd's) will have a more difficult time making this squad.

I'm not suggesting we dramatically swing the pendulum but with a deep talented roster you can afford the risk of targeting players a bit more whether that be packaging a deal for Roy Williams or a specific player in the draft.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Moss was also in his early 30s when the trade was made. Do they expect to sign him to a 6 year contract? Of course not.

This actually proves the point that young receivers are costly. He cost a 2nd round pick and he'd had the following seasons at the time:

2004: 0 catches for 0 yards
2005: 29 catches for 434 yards
2006: 67 catches for 687 yards

Hardly impressive. And he'll never be a #1 receiver. Yet he fetched a 2nd rounder.

Giving away the #9 and #19 is quite a different situation than giving away a #28 and #60. Actually, according to the draft value charts, it'd be close to giving three #28 selections and one #60 selection. So, yeah, it's nothing alike.

At the time, we were expecting that those picks would be low picks not for us to tank like that. What your doing is termed revisionist history but again what was the last player traded for a first round draft choice?

Actually it was two years ago when Deion Branch was traded to the Seahawks for a single first coming off a career year. It was considered an overpay at the time.

But really the kind of trade you are proposing would be a Daniel Snyder move. who trades away hordes of draft picks for questionable talent.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Are you really going to get a better player for a 1st rounder than Williams? I don't think you will. There's a chance you could find one at WR, but he will take a few years to develope.

Pull the trigger now, get Williams, and make a run at the SB.

You wouldnt hvae to pay the palyer nearly as much. The value in the draft is economic as well as talent.

You get to sign a player a t a discount price for upwards of 6 years. Oh and i just looked it up, Williams' contract is up next year. We would trade a first for a year rental of a talented guy with an injury history.

That would be utter stupidity.

 

[CATCH17]

Well for one Irvin was the master of pushing off and now he'd be called for that. That's all I got but I'm sure I'm missing something

Honestly with these rules he wouldn't need to push off.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

You get to sign a player a t a discount price for upwards of 6 years. Oh and i just looked it up, Williams' contract is up next year. We would trade a first for a year rental of a talented guy with an injury history.

That would be utter stupidity.

You wouldn't do it if you hadn't already agreed with him on a longer-term deal.

 

[YosemiteSam]

As I noted in the other thread.

Trade, Carpenter, Spears, Roy Williams (SS) and a 3rd round pick to Detriot for Roy Williams (WR) and their 15th overall pick in the first round producing three first round picks this year.

• 15th overall pick
• 22nd overall pick
• 29th overall pick

The problem is we eat around $6-7M next season against the cap because of Roy Williams (SS). The upside is releasing Terry Glenn plus Roy Williams' (WR) base salary for 2008 is $574,500 would shed a lot of that dead money from Roy Williams' (SS) contract.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You wouldn't do it if you hadn't already agreed with him on a longer-term deal.

Be that as it may it still reduces the value of the player. DETROIT HAS NO LEVERAGE yet so many of you are just willing to give up the farm.

Williams contract runs out next year and everything I have read points to him not coming back and hes from Texas. The Pats got Moss for a fourth in similar circumstances yet we have proposals for firsts and seconds and the like.

Its dumb.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Be that as it may it still reduces the value of the player. DETROIT HAS NO LEVERAGE yet so many of you are just willing to give up the farm.

Williams contract runs out next year and everything I have read points to him not coming back and hes from Texas. The Pats got Moss for a fourth in similar circumstances yet we have proposals for firsts and seconds and the like.

Its dumb.

Ok, how about Spears, Carpenter, and Roy Williams (S) for Roy Williams (WR) and the 15th overall pick? :laugh2:

Thats three 1st rounders for two first rounders.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

The Moss for a 4th trade was a freaky, fluke thing. He'd quit on his previous team, was rumored to have lost some speed, and had a horrible reputation at the time. You can't judge future trades off that, or no WR will ever get traded again.

And Detroit does have a little leverage -- other teams who would bid against each other.

I said in my post that if I'd heard somehow that he would definitely come here after next year when his deal was up, I wouldn't trade for him either. But sometimes you hear about these stories of players wanting to be back home, and it never happens. Money > home most of the time.

 

[khiladi]

Honestly with these rules he wouldn't need to push off.

Irvin would eat the zone coverage alive. Nobody ran routes better than he did, nobody shielded the ball better than he did. With all the cushion they are giving to WRs these days, Irvin would get a first down everytime it was throw to him...

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Irvin would eat the zone coverage alive. Nobody ran routes better than he did, nobody shielded the ball better than he did. With all the cushion they are giving to WRs these days, Irvin would get a first down everytime it was throw to him...

Irvin could not run away from anybody. Especially later in his career. It's true that Irvin used his body, probably better then any WR I've seen since Harold Carmichael, but he also had the advantage of playing in a timing based system and having an exceptionally accurate QB. In our offense, he would not have either of those advantages. We saw what happened to our offense when TO was out. Basically, nobody gave us 10 yards and everybody played us tight, with lots of pressure and a safety over the top. BTW, Rice ran better routes but that's just nitpicking.

 

[CF74]

Honestly with these rules he wouldn't need to push off.

He wouldn't be able to and in my previous statement I said he would adapt by changing his style.