DMN Blog: Why Wade doesn't apologize for wins/Defense: not great, but getting better

[craig71]

As much as the offense needs to cut down on turnovers, this defense needs to start creating them. Its been a consistent problem all last year and so far this year.

We will never be a top tier defense and Wade's ticket will be punched here year end if they don't vastly improve that in the next 11 games.

If a person were to look at the amount of pressure generated last year and then look at the amount of picks that this team produced you would have to wonder what happened.Top of the league in sacks and right at the bottom in picks.

Craig

 

[The30YardSlant]

Sure thing Mr. "zOMG we're never gonna win another game again and we're not in competition for the NFC East or Wild Card spots."

On the spectrum of expectations/criticism you're at the extreme irrational end.

My "irrationality" is back up by historical trends

We were in the playoff hunt the last two years because we got off to pretty good starts and beat some good teams in the process and then proceeded to flop in december. We are struggling early this year, have barely beaten some awful teams, beaten no one of significance, and there is no reason to believe our december nosedive won't occur again.

But I'm sure that we will turn it around because theo "has a feeling"

 

[theogt]

My "irrationality" is back up by historical trends

We were in the playoff hunt the last two years because we got off to pretty good starts and beat some good teams in the process and then proceeded to flop in december. We are struggling early this year, have barely beaten some awful teams, beaten no one of significance, and there is no reason to believe our december nosedive won't occur again.

But I'm sure that we will turn it around because theo "has a feeling"

I'm glad that your irrational behavior is at least consistent. We've had this statistical discussion before and after the beat down you disappeared from the thread or at least the discussion with me in that thread. LOL.

 

[The30YardSlant]

I'm glad that your irrational behavior is at least consistent. We've had this statistical discussion before and after the beat down you disappeared from the thread or at least the discussion with me in that thread. LOL.

Here I am presented with a dilemma: Respond to this and feed his need for attention, or choose to ignore it (as I did in the previosu thread he referenced) and allow him to continue to falsely believe he "beat me down"

I think I'll just go ahead and allow theo to ignore the facts of the matter and let his feelings about a turnaround guide his opinions

 

[jterrell]

There is nothing unrealistic about expecting to not go to OT against Kansas City or needing a late INT to avoid losing at home to Carolina

Some people are satisfied with close wins against awful teams in September. I'm not. Good teams do what they are supposed to do more often than not against awful teams. Sure, I can understand one bad game, but we have struggled to put away 3 teams with a combined 3 wins and in all honesty should have lost to one of them.

Wade has given us NOTHING in his time here or anywhere else to suggest he will turn this around. The only reason he still has any support around here is because he was lucky enough to play 3 of the worst teams in football early to pad his record.

ROFL!
It is hilarious to see anyone.. but in this case Wade, make a completely valid point and then see the people who type more than they think respond without even as much as considering it.

Philly just LOST to the Raiders.

Good teams do get beat by bad ones.

That is EXACTLY why you take those wins, not because it is some miracle or because it is some trophy-worthy moment but because the alternative can and does happen.

Would you rather be 10-6 with a bunch of ugly wins or 9-7 with great wins??

A win is a win is a win. The only win that matters more than the one against KC is the ones that come in the playoffs.

Ask Washington if beating KC ugly is a bad thing....

Bill Parcells played every game ugly. We certainly didn't win games over bad teams regularly by 30.

Fans are just whiny and demanding by nature. There is some odd notion that we can just recruit the best players, hire the best coaches and play harder than every other team every week. That whole insane line of thought wears on people and it's why people like Jimmy can't stay here more than a couple years.

Tom Landry didn't have to put up with this nonsense. He had very good teams and maintained solid records but he didn't deal with Super Bowl or bust thinking. If winning Super Bowls were all he was judged by he'd have been considered a failure not a hall of fame deity to the sport as a whole.

There are very specific things one can complain about with regards to Wade and it offers insight into the complainer when they no longer talk about anything more than gibberish. Some folks just enjoy being miserable and reducing other people to their level.

 

[jterrell]

My "irrationality" is back up by historical trends

We were in the playoff hunt the last two years because we got off to pretty good starts and beat some good teams in the process and then proceeded to flop in december. We are struggling early this year, have barely beaten some awful teams, beaten no one of significance, and there is no reason to believe our december nosedive won't occur again.

But I'm sure that we will turn it around because theo "has a feeling"

ROFL again!
At least you do provide a little comedic relief.

You are already whining about December all the while crying because you "expect" a 5-0 start. I get it though... we should go 16-0 --- you deserve it.

Good game, sir, seriously.

You probably heckle your mom because you got the wrong Christmas present when you were 8 and bring it up yearly....

 

[Chocolate Lab]

It's as if HeavyHitta is projecting his college team's problems onto his pro team...

 

[adbutcher]

ROFL!
It is hilarious to see anyone.. but in this case Wade, make a completely valid point and then see the people who type more than they think respond without even as much as considering it.

Philly just LOST to the Raiders.

Good teams do get beat by bad ones.

That is EXACTLY why you take those wins, not because it is some miracle or because it is some trophy-worthy moment but because the alternative can and does happen.

Would you rather be 10-6 with a bunch of ugly wins or 9-7 with great wins??

A win is a win is a win. The only win that matters more than the one against KC is the ones that come in the playoffs.

Ask Washington if beating KC ugly is a bad thing....

Bill Parcells played every game ugly. We certainly didn't win games over bad teams regularly by 30.

Fans are just whiny and demanding by nature. There is some odd notion that we can just recruit the best players, hire the best coaches and play harder than every other team every week. That whole insane line of thought wears on people and it's why people like Jimmy can't stay here more than a couple years.

Tom Landry didn't have to put up with this nonsense. He had very good teams and maintained solid records but he didn't deal with Super Bowl or bust thinking. If winning Super Bowls were all he was judged by he'd have been considered a failure not a hall of fame deity to the sport as a whole.

There are very specific things one can complain about with regards to Wade and it offers insight into the complainer when they no longer talk about anything more than gibberish. Some folks just enjoy being miserable and reducing other people to their level.

:clap2:

 

[The30YardSlant]

Philly just LOST to the Eagles.

Good teams do get beat by bad ones.

Philly also manhandled Carolina, KC and Tampa. Like I said, one bad game is understanable, and over the course of the season even a few bad games is understandable. Dallas has put on several below average to bad performances in the first 5 weeks. That's a disturbing trend.

That is EXACTLY why you take those wins, not because it is some miracle or because it is some trophy-worthy moment but because the alternative can and does happen.

Again, yes, it does happen. Good teams just don't let it happen very often.

Would you rather be 10-6 with a bunch of ugly wins or 9-7 with great wins??

9-7, assuming that was enough to get us into the playoffs. That would mean both that we had a tougher schedule and fared better against playoff caliber teams, meaning we would be more likely to succeed in the postseason. We all saw what going 10-6 against awful teams gets you back in '03.

A win is a win is a win. The only win that matters more than the one against KC is the ones that come in the playoffs.

Proposterous. You think beating KC in OT gave this team as much confidence as a win over New York, Philly or New Orleans would?

Ask Washington if beating KC ugly is a bad thing....

Washington is terrible and possibly worse than KC. I don't want to ask them about anything as I expect far more from my team.

Bill Parcells played every game ugly. We certainly didn't win games over bad teams regularly by 30.

We also had a pretty poor assembly of talent for 3 of Parcells 4 seasons here. We won close games because we werent capable of blowing many teams out. This team is far more talented and we should expect more.

Fans are just whiny and demanding by nature. There is some odd notion that we can just recruit the best players, hire the best coaches and play harder than every other team every week. That whole insane line of thought wears on people and it's why people like Jimmy can't stay here more than a couple years.

Hell yes I am demanding. These guys are getting paid millions to play and coach a game for living. Every guy in America would kill to do what they do.

And if you think Jimmy left because of unrealistic expectations you've been misinformed.

Tom Landry didn't have to put up with this nonsense. He had very good teams and maintained solid records but he didn't deal with Super Bowl or bust thinking. If winning Super Bowls were all he was judged by he'd have been considered a failure not a hall of fame deity to the sport as a whole.

Tom Landry was a fantastic HOF coach who won 2 SBs, went to 5, made the playoffs almost every single year and had his team competing for a title for almost 2 straight decades. Making the SB is the ultimate goal, and anything else IS a failure. Landry was damn good at achieving that goal.

There are very specific things one can complain about with regards to Wade and it offers insight into the complainer when they no longer talk about anything more than gibberish. Some folks just enjoy being miserable and reducing other people to their level.

The fact that people still defend Wade boggles my mind

 

[RS12]

I'm not currently a member of GROW.

I am and Jerry is putting off the inevitable just like Lil Dan. As far as improvement in the defense, that would be making key stops more often than not. Have not seen it yet. Not confident that we will. The secondary play is in the bottom half of the league, safety play usually pitful.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I'm not here to nit-pik Wade. I'm not currently a member of GROW.

But I did want to point out that comments like these from Wade are what reinforce the perception that he sugarcoats things too often instead of meeting the challenge head on.

Wade doesn't want to talk about the rankings of his defense (unless they're good see 13-3), only how they will play the next game.

Wade also wants to remind us how difficult it is to give your peak performance every week.

I think it would help his perception, and perhaps even his results if he would say "The performance of our defense thus far is not acceptable, and it must improve going forward" and then "You have to have consistent excellence to win in this league. Certainly that is what we're striving towards."

Wade's comments too often sound like he is making excuses.

But who's to say this is what Wade tells this team? What if Wade behind closed doors told the team that their performance is unnacceptable? This is why I never understood the criticism of Wade as far as press conferences go. He's feeding the media what he wants. We shouldn't judge him as a coach from he says in a presser.

 

[theogt]

Here I am presented with a dilemma: Respond to this and feed his need for attention, or choose to ignore it (as I did in the previosu thread he referenced) and allow him to continue to falsely believe he "beat me down"

I think I'll just go ahead and allow theo to ignore the facts of the matter and let his feelings about a turnaround guide his opinions

You've ignored it so thoroughly, I'm almost beginning to think that you just didn't see my statistical argument altogether in that thread.

 

[The30YardSlant]

You've ignored it so thoroughly, I'm almost beginning to think that you just didn't see my statistical argument altogether in that thread.

The completely arbitrary "We are 20-7 when Romo is healthy" stat? Yeah, that was a real trump card there

 

[theogt]

The completely arbitrary "We are 20-7 when Romo is healthy" stat? Yeah, that was a real trump card there

If by "arbitrary" you mean the most relevant statistical comparison, then yes.

Sorry, my analysis didn't contain statistics from 20 years ago like yours. What on earth was I thinking?

 

[jterrell]

I am and Jerry is putting off the inevitable just like Lil Dan. As far as improvement in the defense, that would be making key stops more often than not. Have not seen it yet. Not confident that we will. The secondary play is in the bottom half of the league, safety play usually pitful.

This really poor logic bro....

We all put off the inevitable or we'd just go die right now.

Should Jerry have never hired Jimmy in the first place because he'd eventually have to fire him or have him walk out???

All that matters is doing what is best for the team right now. Next year will be addressed at the end of the season. Dallas is 3-2 and tied for 2nd in the conference. Zero reason to panic.

It doesn't look like Wade will be back but if he isn't I'd rather have the off-season and a larger coaching pool to gather a staff from. It's not like we simply hand the defense to an in house coach.

 

[The30YardSlant]

If by "arbitrary" you mean the most relevant statistical comparison, then yes.

Sorry, my analysis didn't contain statistics from 20 years ago like yours. What on earth was I thinking?

By "arbitrary" I mean picking and choosing which games Romo was "healthy" in

Here, watch:

Brett Favre was 134-72 with the Green Bay Packers when healthy

It's meaningless because you can't dispute it

On the other hand, the fact that both this team and Wade Phillips always fade at the end of the season and into the postseason is an established fact that can be looked up, cited and proven beyond any doubt.

And even if it were provable (as in Romo was on the injury report for every game you are listing him as "injured" and the injury actually significantly affected his play) why would it matter? it doesnt change the fact that this team is awful in December and their coach has made a career our of late season flops and playoff failures

 

[JD_KaPow]

My "irrationality" is back up by historical trends

We were in the playoff hunt the last two years because we got off to pretty good starts and beat some good teams in the process and then proceeded to flop in december.

That's absolutely right. Why, just consider our mighty 5-4 start last season.

 

[The30YardSlant]

That's absolutely right. Why, just consider our mighty 5-4 start last season.

We started 4-1 with wins over Philly and Green Bay on the road, and we dominated a bad Cleveland team. We struggled against Cincy, but the game was never really in doubt. Then Romo got hurt against Arizona, we los that game, then lose two of three thanks to Brooks Bollinger and Brad Johnson.

We looked MUCH better through 5 games a year ago

 

[khiladi]

While I like Wade, his schitck is getting old. The guy is the first person to produce stats when it comes to defending his performance. He better produce his great defense, because everybody is getting tired of the excuses regarding this team.

 

[theogt]

By "arbitrary" I mean picking and choosing which games Romo was "healthy" in

Here, watch:

Brett Favre was 134-72 with the Green Bay Packers when healthy

It's meaningless because you can't dispute it

And therein lies your dissatisfaction. You can't actually argue that he was healthy in any of the games that were excluded, so you're left with either accepting my statistical comparison or throwing out the "arbitrary" term.

White flag duly noted.