DMN Blog: Why Wade doesn't apologize for wins/Defense: not great, but getting better

[jterrell]

Philly also manhandled Carolina, KC and Tampa. Like I said, one bad game is understanable, and over the course of the season even a few bad games is understandable. Dallas has put on several below average to bad performances in the first 5 weeks. That's a disturbing trend.


Hell yes I am demanding. These guys are getting paid millions to play and coach a game for living. Every guy in America would kill to do what they do.

And if you think Jimmy left because of unrealistic expectations you've been misinformed.



Tom Landry was a fantastic HOF coach who won 2 SBs, went to 5, made the playoffs almost every single year and had his team competing for a title for almost 2 straight decades. Making the SB is the ultimate goal, and anything else IS a failure. Landry was damn good at achieving that goal.



The fact that people still defend Wade boggles my mind

Rather than play the line quote game I'll just take these above.

Philly got 1 Win for each game same as we do if we win by a safety in OT. I could care less. I'd rather see a dominating performance but in the end the wins count exactly the same and their loss hurts them as they try to get into the playoffs because that is a bad, bad loss.

Every coach, player and owner are making millions. Dallas is no different form anyone else. That's just silly logic again. It's not like Dallas get handed a bigger cap to play with and pay their players more. By your logic we can't complain about anything the lesser paid guys do because they are cheap....

Jimmy Johnson was burned out as he said himself, he couldn't see working like that any longer. When you set the bar at super Bowl you will ultimately fail exponentially more than you succeed.

Tom Landry won Super Bowls which is a fairly poor rate. He was here quite a long time. you can twist it and say go to Super Bowls if enough but isn't that just first loser? If winning is the goal then it's all the way winning and Tom only did that twice in all those years. All in all he was successful because he won games, not Super Bowls. And Tom didn't have a salary cap or 32 teams to deal with. My own opinion is people had more common sense back before the media could incite fans with drivel to get attention.

I am not defending Wade here I am defending common sense. I see some serious flaws in Wade's leadership and expect that gets him replaced but most of what he does and says is completely legitimate. The fans and media who attack that just show that they will never be happy with anything.

 

[The30YardSlant]

And therein lies your dissatisfaction. You can't actually argue that he was healthy in any of the games that were excluded, so you're left with either accepting my statistical comparison or throwing out the "arbitrary" term.

White flag duly noted.

And you can't actually prove he was injured to an extent that severely hampered his play

I can actually prove Wade and his teams fade in december and the playoffs, a set of facts which you continue to ignore.

And again, even if the 20-7 thing was completely, 100% factual and provable, it doesnt matter because it in no way disputes my set of facts.

It's nothing more than a strawman

 

[The30YardSlant]

I am not defending Wade here I am defending common sense. I see some serious flaws in Wade's leadership and expect that gets him replaced but most of what he does and says is completely legitimate. The fans and media who attack that just show that they will never be happy with anything.

I disagree that most of what he does is legitimate. When casual fans are seeing schemes and trends and weaknesses with regards to the other team during the game that our head coach isnt seeing, you know there's a problem.

 

[rcaldw]

I happen to believe that Wade Phillips is not a good head coach. The bye week gives some anesthesia to the fan base. (You forget, you sleep peacefully for a week, you watch other teams struggle and lose, you forget a lot of the pathetic things from our last performance) Just wait, win or lose you will be reminded this week, again, of why the guy needed to be fired after the Philly debacle last year. Slow out of the gate, uninspired play, the same stupid plays week after week, and captain Teddy Bear stands on the sideline and gives the best doggone made and missed field goal reactions you will ever see a coach give. (Thats the truth)

Having said that, I don't think you fire a coach during the season. So, I'm rooting for Wade and the Boys and hoping for a great rest of the year. 3-2 is not a terrible spot to be in at the moment. We will see what happens.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I'm wondering if the people complaining so much have ever coached for any extended period of time.

In regular seasons, post season tournaments, All-Star environments ??

If not, you are just a fan, and you think like a fan.

I'm not happy with everything in Dallas each week, but I see that if a few things can change each week on either side of the ball we will get better and be harder to defeat.

If nothing improves, we won't go far.

Let's see if the coaches and players can keep getting better and then see what happens.

Trust me, they know they have to improve too. Now whether they can or not remains to be seen.

As a coach all you can do is "keep on keeping on", working hard all the time.

As a fan, I hope they can do what they are trying to do. I think as a fan that is what I am suppossed to do.

 

[jterrell]

I happen to believe that Wade Phillips is not a good head coach. The bye week gives some anesthesia to the fan base. (You forget, you sleep peacefully for a week, you watch other teams struggle and lose, you forget a lot of the pathetic things from our last performance) Just wait, win or lose you will be reminded this week, again, of why the guy needed to be fired after the Philly debacle last year. Slow out of the gate, uninspired play, the same stupid plays week after week, and captain Teddy Bear stands on the sideline and gives the best doggone made and missed field goal reactions you will ever see a coach give. (Thats the truth)

Having said that, I don't think you fire a coach during the season. So, I'm rooting for Wade and the Boys and hoping for a great rest of the year. 3-2 is not a terrible spot to be in at the moment. We will see what happens.

I do not disagree with you too strongly but I will point out that Andy Reid had a disastrous situation going in Philly only a few weeks before what we call the debacle. They were calling for his head and talking about trading off McNabb for the 7000000th time.

I see some very telling signs of leadership failure on Wade's part but but also agree an in season move does nothing to fix what's wrong. He's got his last chance and let him see what he can do with it.

Dallas lost out of the playoff's last year by a single half game. that's how close this league is and that's EXACTLY why it is completely opposite of intelligent to argue about a win's "quality". You just need to stack wins and hope that stack is tall enough when they count them up.

 

[theogt]

And you can't actually prove he was injured to an extent that severely hampered his play

I don't have to prove that it severely hampered his play. I simply have to show that there's a significant correlation between winning percentage and those games in which he's injured and those games in which he's not. I can do that easily.

If you disagree, then I would argue that you can't "prove" that Wade is the cause of December fades on his team. Obviously you can't possibly prove that. But that's not the point of a statistical analysis is it? A statistical analysis cannot prove such things to an absolute certainty.

I can actually prove Wade and his teams fade in december and the playoffs, a set of facts which you continue to ignore.

You're absolutely right. I am ignoring it. When you have a more relevant statistical comparison, you ignore than less relevant statistical comparison.

And again, even if the 20-7 thing was completely, 100% factual and provable, it doesnt matter because it in no way disputes my set of facts.

It's nothing more than a strawman

You're a bit confused here. You're attempting to throw out logic terms, but you're almost completely misusing them. First, I do not have to "disprove" your argument. I simply have to present a more relevant statistical analysis. And I did.

Second, that's not a "strawman argument." I'm not going to take the time to educate you on such a simple concept, but please do spend a bit of time googling it.

 

[rcaldw]

I'm wondering if the people complaining so much have ever coached for any extended period of time.

In regular seasons, post season tournaments, All-Star environments ??

If not, you are just a fan, and you think like a fan.

I'm not happy with everything in Dallas each week, but I see that if a few things can change each week on either side of the ball we will get better and be harder to defeat.

If nothing improves, we won't go far.

Let's see if the coaches and players can keep getting better and then see what happens.

Trust me, they know they have to improve too. Now whether they can or not remains to be seen.

As a coach all you can do is "keep on keeping on", working hard all the time.

As a fan, I hope they can do what they are trying to do. I think as a fan that is what I am suppossed to do.

First off, I doubt anyone on the board has coached on the NFL level, and so, from an experiential point of view, that makes us ALL fans.

Second, you don't have to have actually done something to have some valid observations about it, even if all you are is an interested observer.

In fact, I'm convinced that sometimes an outsider can see some things that we can't see when we are in the middle of it. To say it another way, I think sometimes "it is more complicated than you know", can just turn into an excuse for the status quo. I much prefer Parcell's mentality on this one, even though I believe that we got Parcells when he was past his prime. "You are what you are". You can try to explain it away in a thousand different ways, but at the end of the day "you are what you are".

Finally, I, for one, hope you are right. I hope they keep working hard and things turn in the right direction. I just believe, though I have never coached on the NFL level, that there are winners and losers at everything. There are average people, as well, in all fields. Tom Landry was a great one. Jimmy Johnson was a great one. Bill Parcells has proven, even in his old age, that he knows talent. Wade Phillips, in my opinion, has not proven to be a great head coach. Just an observation, and I'll be the happiest guy in the world if he can prove my observation wrong.

 

[rcaldw]

I do not disagree with you too strongly but I will point out that Andy Reid had a disastrous situation going in Philly only a few weeks before what we call the debacle. They were calling for his head and talking about trading off McNabb for the 7000000th time.

I see some very telling signs of leadership failure on Wade's part but but also agree an in season move does nothing to fix what's wrong. He's got his last chance and let him see what he can do with it.

Dallas lost out of the playoff's last year by a single half game. that's how close this league is and that's EXACTLY why it is completely opposite of intelligent to argue about a win's "quality". You just need to stack wins and hope that stack is tall enough when they count them up.

I can agree with everything you say here.

 

[Idgit]

"Refuses to apologize for win" - is that talking about the next game? Or the last one? What is it with you?

The bigger the tent, the more clowns show up - thanks Jerreh for the circus, it's not just on the field anymore, now it's in the fanbase.

Nevermind that Wade never actually said those words, but whatever. Here's what he actually said:

"It's hard to win in this league,'' Phillips said. "When I first started pro football, somebody asked me about it and I said, 'every play is a crisis.' We have to make this play, we need to make this first down.'

"To reach your peak performance every week is not easy, and we see that every week.''
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Sounds like he's talking about urgency to win to me. To you that's excuse making.

I completely agree with you about the clowns in the fanbase, though. The good news is you can save money on parking when you and 20 of your friends can all travel to the game in the same subcompact.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Phillips on defense: not great, but getting better
11:17 AM Mon, Oct 19, 2009 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
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Now that he's had a bye week to reflect, how does Wade Phillips assess the performance of his defense.

"I don't think we're playing great yet, but I think we're playing well,'' Phillips said. "It's a pretty solid unit.''

The rank No. 22 in yards allowed and have held teams to an average of 19.6 points.

"I don't know what the ranking is, but we've played well the last several games,'' Phillips said. "It's how you play the next game. It's not how you're ranked or how many turnovers you did or didn't have. It's how many you get in this game.

"The important thing is the game coming up.''


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Why Phillips doesn't apologize for wins
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Wade Phillips refuses to apologize for wins, no matter how ugly they might be. You want a reason why? Here it is:

Oakland 13, Philadelphia 9.

"It's hard to win in this league,'' Phillips said. "When I first started pro football, somebody asked me about it and I said, 'every play is a crisis.' We have to make this play, we need to make this first down.'

"To reach your peak performance every week is not easy, and we see that every week.''


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I have a hard time buying anything wade says.

 

[wileedog]

Slow out of the gate, uninspired play, the same stupid plays week after week, and captain Teddy Bear stands on the sideline and gives the best doggone made and missed field goal reactions you will ever see a coach give. (Thats the truth)

Having said that, I don't think you fire a coach during the season. So, I'm rooting for Wade and the Boys and hoping for a great rest of the year. 3-2 is not a terrible spot to be in at the moment. We will see what happens.

This is pretty much where I am. He should never have been brought back after Philly last year, but that was the time to make that decision, not now. No credible coach is going to walk into this situation mid-season, and while I'm up and down on Garrett I simply think he is not yet ready to be a HC. He's had two and a half pretty bumpy years as an OC, 1 year as a QB coach and that is his entire resume. Him taking over mid-season might actually be worse, considering we would be out a DC too.

Jerry dealt this hand, we gotta play it. At least for 11 more games anyway.

 

[The30YardSlant]

I don't have to prove that it severely hampered his play. I simply have to show that there's a significant correlation between winning percentage and those games in which he's injured and those games in which he's not. I can do that easily.

Again, even if this were the case, why does it matter? What is your excuse for the end of the '06 and '07 seasons? What is your explanation for Wade's late-seasn collapses at every coaching stop he's made?

If you disagree, then I would argue that you can't "prove" that Wade is the cause of December fades on his team.

The only common denominator among all of Wade's teams is Wade. Therefore, we can safely assume he is a large part of those late season and playoff failures.

You're absolutely right. I am ignoring it. When you have a more relevant statistical comparison, you ignore than less relevant statistical comparison.

It ISNT more relevant. It's a cute, arbitrary statistic that if legitimate only explains away one of 3 late season collapses under Tony Romo and does nothing to argue Wade's ineptitude. It's only relevant with regards to Romo's effectiveness when healthy, which I never argued.

You're a bit confused here. You're attempting to throw out logic terms, but you're almost completely misusing them. First, I do not have to "disprove" your argument. I simply have to present a more relevant statistical analysis. And I did.

I agree. The problem is your lone statistic is useless in this discussion. We arent talking about one season when Romo was hurt.

Second, that's not a "strawman argument." I'm not going to take the time to educate you on such a simple concept, but please do spend a bit of time googling it.

A straw man argument is when one has claimed to have refuted a position using statements and facts that have nothing to do with the argument at hand, which is exactly what you are doing. You havent actually refuted my position at all, but rather created an arbitrary statistic that is almost entirely irrelevant. If you're going to throw out usage smack, make sure you understand what you're doing first.

 

[mmohican29]

Nobody on the planet was happier than Wade about the Eagles loss yesterday. It gave him yet another excuse for his team's poor play this season.

I was pretty ****ing stoked about it myself to be honest. Why we can't let the season at least get to the midway point before we crucify the coach, the QB, the OC, the Owner every ******* year is beyond me.

 

[CoCo]

... and captain Teddy Bear stands on the sideline and gives the best doggone made and missed field goal reactions you will ever see a coach give. (Thats the truth)

OMG, that is the hilarious part about the guy. The things he chooses to do a fist-pump over. Like a kicker who pushes it wide-right???

To me, you fist pump a blitz strategy that worked and got you to the QB. You don't fist-pump a missed FG where you are largely a spectator with little influence.

Maybe he fist-pumps the sacks and they just don't show it. But honestly, even in those games where I am incredibly frustrated Wade always seems to make me chuckle with one of those celebrations or looks of dejection.

He's like the Martin Gramatica of head coaches. :laugh2:

 

[CoCo]

But who's to say this is what Wade tells this team? What if Wade behind closed doors told the team that their performance is unnacceptable? This is why I never understood the criticism of Wade as far as press conferences go. He's feeding the media what he wants. We shouldn't judge him as a coach from he says in a presser.

Believe as you wish. I tend to think that Wade's (we were 13-3) routine is pretty sincere. Its just not good PR IMO.

 

[Faerluna]

Awesome post

:clap2:

 

[Venger]

"To reach your peak performance every week is not easy, and we see that every week.''
Sounds like he's talking about urgency to win to me. To you that's excuse making.

The only urgency Wade feels is due to prostate issues.

The guy is a fountain of excuses and reasons why things are so damn hard. That, and gravy. And can you point to which game we performed at our peak? Because that's a mighty low peak. We DO see how hard it is to reach every week, because I pray to sweet Christ we haven't reached a peak performance. We better not have come close.

I completely agree with you about the clowns in the fanbase, though. The good news is you can save money on parking when you and 20 of your friends can all travel to the game in the same subcompact.

Do you spin plates? I love clowns that spin plates.

There's a sad population of folks who think good enough and moral victories equate to being a real fan. But clowns are sad...

 

[peplaw06]

Second, that's not a "strawman argument." I'm not going to take the time to educate you on such a simple concept, but please do spend a bit of time googling it.

This boggles my mind

We know.

 

[Idgit]

The only urgency Wade feels is due to prostate issues.

The guy is a fountain of excuses and reasons why things are so damn hard. That, and gravy. And can you point to which game we performed at our peak? Because that's a mighty low peak. We DO see how hard it is to reach every week, because I pray to sweet Christ we haven't reached a peak performance. We better not have come close.

It's almost like you think that if you keep misinterpreting the quote, your misinterpretation will eventually be right. It's not going to be. Good luck with that, though.