DMN Burnett Blog: Time to hit the eye-opening button

[cowboys2233]

Not making excuses but this is Phillips 1st year as HC and under him the team did show improvement if you can't see that then what is one to think other than the fact you do have a set agenda aginst Phillips. Most level headed people would at least give a HC any HC 2 to 3 years to prove himself. I have been watching the Cowboys for over 40 some odd year and even under Landry and Johnson this team at time would come out flat in a pre-season game, hell there were times they came out flat in reg season games. I believe in giving the HC a chance no matter who that HC may be and yet after 1 season you want to whine and complain? Give me a break

No, the team is doing enough whining for everyone. You say most level-headed people give a coach 2 or 3 years, huh? Why do you think that is? Maybe because it takes 2 or 3 years before the team truly reflects the head coach? Did you miss the part where I said this team still displayed some residue from the previous head coach last year, but played in a better system?

IMO, the carryover of Parcells toughness + Wade and Garrett's systems = 13-3.

This year, we're going to find out what Wade's easy-going style + Wade and Garrett's system equals. Hopefully, this team is mature enough and seasoned enough to continue it's winning ways. But IMO, running a soft, laid-back camp is never a good thing. You claim you've been watching 40+ years of football, you should know that by now. And don't even start with guys like Tony Dungy, anyone with an ounce of knowledge knows he is quiet, but extremely tough. Guess what? That's how his teams generally play, with a quiet toughness. From what I've seen, Phillips has a lot more Jerry Glanville and a lot less Tony Dungy in him. But I guess his 0-5 record in the playoffs is all a coincidence too, huh?

It will be interesting to see what transpires here and in San Diego, because they're going through the exact same situation. Norv is as soft as they come -- we'll see if his really good schemes and the team's overall talent wins out. But make no mistake about it, if they DO win, it will be in spite of Norv's personality, not because of it.

 

[Hostile]

Will we ever get over the doom of Parcells departure?

My guess is no.

 

[cowboys2233]

Will we ever get over the doom of Parcells departure?

My guess is no.

I love the fact that so many put down Parcells' style of coaching. Yeah, the guy's only been incredibly successful with the Giants, Patriots, Jets and Cowboys rebuilding each organization from the total **** it was before he got there.

But let's all get on board with Wade, because he's proven so much more than a HOF head coach with his 0-5 playoff record. Makes sense to me! :laugh2:

 

[LeonDixson]

Disagree. This team was making stupid penalties under a hard ars like Parcells sooner or later the player has to step up and take responsiblity god knows they are gettin paid the big bucks and they know damn well the rules of the game. I'm not saying the Coaches do not have any control but other than benching a guy there is not a lot they can do other than continue to get on the player when they make a penalty and they do. I do not think Wade Phillips is the problem with this team and under him they frankly played the best football they have in several years so if you want to come down on him for mistake than at least give credit where it is due.

How about fining them $100 for ever would-be penalty they commit in practice and $1,000 for every penalty in a game? Of course the coaches would have to review the tape first so they don't fine them for the bogus penalties like Romo's intentional grounding in the playoff game or Ware's phantom offsides.

 

[Velvet Jones]

Not making excuses but this is Phillips 1st year as HC and under him the team did show improvement if you can't see that then what is one to think other than the fact you do have a set agenda aginst Phillips. Most level headed people would at least give a HC any HC 2 to 3 years to prove himself. I have been watching the Cowboys for over 40 some odd year and even under Landry and Johnson this team at time would come out flat in a pre-season game, hell there were times they came out flat in reg season games. I believe in giving the HC a chance no matter who that HC may be and yet after 1 season you want to whine and complain? Give me a break

Dooms, I am praying for you, man. You and I have disagreed on most things but I have always appreciated your stances and willingness to talk them out. Gods help you in dealing with this particualr debate. Cowboy2233 is a waste of space on this board and as soon as you call him out for the dumba$$ that he is, he then cries and rants.

That said, I am exactly on board with you on Wade. One of the things I loved about Wade in Hard Knocks was when he gave his pregame speech telling people not to worry about mistakes, that is on him. But effort is on the players. The penalties we have been getting have been effort. The players have to step up. I am with Crazy that it is just frustrating trying to figure out where all the penalties are coming from.

 

[Doomsday101]

No, the team is doing enough whining for everyone. You say most level-headed people give a coach 2 or 3 years, huh? Why do you think that is? Maybe because it takes 2 or 3 years before the team truly reflects the head coach? Did you miss the part where I said this team still displayed some residue from the previous head coach last year, but played in a better system?

IMO, the carryover of Parcells toughness + Wade and Garrett's systems = 13-3.

This year, we're going to find out what Wade's easy-going style + Wade and Garrett's system equals. Hopefully, this team is mature enough and seasoned enough to continue it's winning ways. But IMO, running a soft, laid-back camp is never a good thing. You claim you've been watching 40+ years of football, you should know that by now. And don't even start with guys like Tony Dungy, anyone with an ounce of knowledge knows he is quiet, but extremely tough. Guess what? That's how his teams generally play, with a quiet toughness. From what I've seen, Phillips has a lot more Jerry Glanville and a lot less Tony Dungy in him. But I guess his 0-5 record in the playoffs is all a coincidence too, huh?

It will be interesting to see what transpires here and in San Diego, because they're going through the exact same situation. Norv is as soft as they come -- we'll see if his really good schemes and the team's overall talent wins out. But make no mistake about it, if they DO win, it will be in spite of Norv's personality, not because of it.

Well thanks for proving the point this is about your own personal dislike of Phillips. You go on and on about it and I see you already built in an out for giving Phillips any credit by the "mature enough and seasoned enough to continue its winning ways" despite Phillips comment. You like a certain way of coaching good for you I could careless all I care about is the players believing in the HC and buying into what they are doing because that is how coaches succeed not by jumping up and down and throwing fits. If the players do not buy into what they are doing it does not matter who is coaching them

 

[bbgun]

Will we ever get over the doom of Parcells departure?

My guess is no.

I was elated when he arrived and elated when he left. He gets credit for stacking the cupboard, but I don't think we would have won 13 games last year with him on the sideline. Garrett would not have had the freedom to do his thing.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Well thanks for proving the point this is about your own personal dislike of Phillips. You go on and on about it and I see you already built in an out for giving Phillips any credit by the "mature enough and seasoned enough to continue its winning ways" despite Phillips comment.

Exactly.

Somehow I'm going to bet that 2233 wasn't giving Campo and Jerry the credit for that 10-6 season in 2003.

 

[bbgun]

Probably not. Then again, neither has anyone on here.

Word. Add Burnett to the "chicken little" smear list. BTW, the sky really did fall last January. Has anyone acknowledged this yet?

 

[cowboys2233]

One of the things I loved about Wade in Hard Knocks was when he gave his pregame speech telling people not to worry about mistakes, that is on him. But effort is on the players. The penalties we have been getting have been effort.

Then you are not on board with him. He said that mistakes are on the players, not on the coach. Despite this idiocy you've come up with about the penalties we've gotten being about effort. What kind of sense does that make?

Penalties are not mistakes in your world? :laugh2:

 

[Doomsday101]

How about fining them $100 for ever would-be penalty they commit in practice and $1,000 for every penalty in a game? Of course the coaches would have to review the tape first so they don't fine them for the bogus penalties like Romo's intentional grounding in the playoff game or Ware's phantom offsides.

I don’t think that would fly with the labor agreement with the union. I know that is why players will normally hold their own kangaroo court and levy fines amongst themselves but I don't think the organization can and the coach is part of the organization which would preclude him from fining players for things like penalties.

 

[cowboys2233]

Well thanks for proving the point this is about your own personal dislike of Phillips. You go on and on about it and I see you already built in an out for giving Phillips any credit by the "mature enough and seasoned enough to continue its winning ways" despite Phillips comment. You like a certain way of coaching good for you I could careless all I care about is the players believing in the HC and buying into what they are doing because that is how coaches succeed not by jumping up and down and throwing fits.

Yeah, I don't like his style of coaching and it's a "personal" dislike of him. Give me a break. I don't need to "build" jack **** because history is on my side. But you're right, guys like Wade and Norv sure are proof-positive that their style of coaching works!

You completely miss the reality of good coaching. It's not about whether a guy jumps up and down on the sidelines or if he has a quiet, calm demeanor. It's about demanding a certain level of play from your players and finding out how to get the best out of them. Both Norv and Wade have good schemes (which again, I guess you missed me saying), but they have not proven jack **** when it comes to running a team. But instead, let's mock Parcells, who has won multiple SBs and clearly improved each of the last four organizations he's been with.

Fools.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yeah, I don't like his style of coaching and it's a "personal" dislike of him. Give me a break. I don't need to "build" jack **** because history is on my side. But you're right, guys like Wade and Norv sure are proof-positive that their style of coaching works!

You completely miss the reality of good coaching. It's not about whether a guy jumps up and down on the sidelines or if he has a quiet, calm demeanor. It's about demanding a certain level of play from your players and finding out how to get the best out of them. Both Norv and Wade have good schemes (which again, I guess you missed me saying), but they have not proven jack **** when it comes to running a team. But instead, let's mock Parcells, who has won multiple SBs and clearly improved each of the last four organizations he's been with.

Fools.

Until a coach wins one you are right they have not done jack and many of coaches have gone years as HC before they finally do break through. Hell I hung in their with Landry when simple minded people like you were calling for his head in the early years.

As for mocking Parcells I don't I have respect for him even though things did not go as planned during his time with Dallas. What I will not do is come down on a HC after 1 year with the team a year in which these players played hard for Phillips.

Will he win a championship in Dallas? we will find out but it goes beyond just the scheme it has to do with the players and their believe in the people who are leading them namely Phillips.

What you want in a coach I really don't care you don't play for the team so your feelings are of no concern of mine.

 

[cowboys2233]

As for mocking Parcells I don't I have respect for him even though things did not go as planned during his time with Dallas. What I will not do is come down on a HC after 1 year with the team a year in which these players played hard for Phillips.

You say that some coaches go for years without winning a SB and then turn around and say that things didn't go as planned during Parcells time with Dallas. What? Making this team 100% better than before he got here is not going as planned? Or was winning the SB the only criteria? Jesus, do you even have a clue as to what you're talking about? Because you contradict yourself at every turn.

And then we've got some guy named Velvet Jones saying he completely agrees with you about Phillips, depsite the fact that your entire premise was that mistakes are on the players, not the coaches while he believes (along with Phillips apparently) that the mistakes are on the coaches and not on the players. It's a wonder you guys can even function in society with all of your "complex" thinking. Me? I'll just sit here and simplistically point out all of your contradictions. :laugh2:

 

[aikemirv]

Penalties are bad but I will say that the penalty by Columbo and the penalty by Burnett are nothing to get worked up about.

Columbo was just responding to the play a few earlier and was protecting his teammate. T.O could have really screwed up a leg on that prior play when they piled on him. You think Columbo should have let that happen again?

Burnett - sorry guys but that happens every Sunday about 30-40 times at least and never gets called.

Ball - he is just a bad corner - (7th or 8th for that matter) and has to interfere to have a chance covering someone. Both of the int's would have been there regardless of the screwp by ball.

False start - I think not

 

[Hostile]

I was elated when he arrived and elated when he left. He gets credit for stacking the cupboard, but I don't think we would have won 13 games last year with him on the sideline. Garrett would not have had the freedom to do his thing.

No one was happier than me when we got Parcells. It was my wife's birthday, and I told her, "I got the better present."

I was so glad he was gone. The results just weren't good enough and I won't sugar coat that for any Parcells fan. Yes, the team is immensely better than what he signed on for. IMO that was not 100% Bill Parcells. Was he a factor? Absolutely. Thank you Big Bill.

 

[LeonDixson]

I don’t think that would fly with the labor agreement with the union. I know that is why players will normally hold their own kangaroo court and levy fines amongst themselves but I don't think the organization can and the coach is part of the organization which would preclude him from fining players for things like penalties.

I bet you're right.

 

[Hostile]

Penalties are bad but I will say that the penalty by Columbo and the penalty by Burnett are nothing to get worked up about.

Columbo was just responding to the play a few earlier and was protecting his teammate. T.O could have really screwed up a leg on that prior play when they piled on him. You think Columbo should have let that happen again?

Burnett - sorry guys but that happens every Sunday about 30-40 times at least and never gets called.

Ball - he is just a bad corner - (7th or 8th for that matter) and has to interfere to have a chance covering someone. Both of the int's would have been there regardless of the screwp by ball.

False start - I think not

That's the part about the whole hand wringing that I don't get. We all pretty much agree that there were too many penalties. We all also understand that the refs called some very questionable (at best) penalties.

At what point can the two be separated to get to the conclusion that the sky isn't falling (much to the chagrin of the Chicken Littles) and the pot of gold isn't uncovering itself (much to the chagrin of the eternal optimists)?

I don't mind some stumbling in pre-season. Heaven forbid we look like world killers, destroy every team in our path in August, peak too soon, and come back to earth in a fiery crash.

When I say "relax" the only thing I mean by it is that we have time to fix things and there is still times to get your ulcer cranked up.

Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things.

 

[Doomsday101]

You say that some coaches go for years without winning a SB and then turn around and say that things didn't go as planned during Parcells time with Dallas. What? Making this team 100% better than before he got here is not going as planned? Or was winning the SB the only criteria? Jesus, do you even have a clue as to what you're talking about? Because you contradict yourself at every turn.

And then we've got some guy named Velvet Jones saying he completely agrees with you about Phillips, depsite the fact that your entire premise was that mistakes are on the players, not the coaches while he believes (along with Phillips apparently) that the mistakes are on the coaches and not on the players. It's a wonder you guys can even function in society with all of your "complex" thinking. Me? I'll just sit here and simplistically point out all of your contradictions. :laugh2:

I did say say many coaches have gone years before they achive a championship what part of that do you not understand?

I think Parcells goal was to win a SB in Dallas that goal was not achived and no where did I say he was a failure in Dallas only that we did not achive the goals that he wanted. I'm glad BP came to Dallas as I said I do have respect for him as a HC but don't kid yourself BP came with to Dallas with the goal of winning a championship.

And yes in the end it is up to the player to go out and do the job that includes not making stupid mistakes. Coaches do their best to drill it into players not to but in the end the coach is not on the field he does not play the game the players do.

 

[cowboys2233]

No one was happier than me when we got Parcells. It was my wife's birthday, and I told her, "I got the better present."

I was so glad he was gone. The results just weren't good enough and I won't sugar coat that for any Parcells fan. Yes, the team is immensely better than what he signed on for. IMO that was not 100% Bill Parcells. Was he a factor? Absolutely. Thank you Big Bill.

Sure, because anything less than a SB isn't good enough and the grass is always greener. Particularly when a team goes 13-3 the year after he leaves (although yet again, no playoff victory). But admit it, if this teams slides back into mediocrity under Phillips, you will be dying to get a head coach as successful as Parcells was again.

Fortunately, that won't happen under any circumstances, because Wade won't be here long enough for that to happen if we don't win the SB. That's pretty obvious. This may surprise some of you, but I really want the Cowboys to win big this year. But I guess if one questions Wade Phillips coaching style, despite the fact that he has had zero playoff success means one has an agenda or something personal against the guy. The guy has gone 0-5 in the playoffs. Gee, why would anyone have any questions about him at all?