DMN Burnett Blog: Time to hit the eye-opening button

[Hostile]

Sure, because anything less than a SB isn't good enough and the grass is always greener.

I would have been thrilled with a Playoff win when Parcells was here. Super Coach couldn't even do that.

Particularly when a team goes 13-3 the year after he leaves (although yet again, no playoff victory).

He was more successful with Campo's players than he was with the guys he acquired. That irks me.

But admit it, if this teams slides back into mediocrity under Phillips, you will be dying to get a head coach as successful as Parcells was again.

No, I will admit that I was behind Garrett from the word go. I am fine with Wade.

IMO, the team under Parcells was mediocre. So I clearly wasn't satisfied with mediocrity. Nice attempt at a futile dig though.

Fortunately, that won't happen under any circumstances, because Wade won't be here long enough for that to happen if we don't win the SB. That's pretty obvious.

Until I see it happening I won't worry about it.

This may surprise some of you, but I really want the Cowboys to win big this year.

Why would this surprise me? I assume you are a Cowboys fan. Isn't that what we all want? Or am I missing something?

But I guess if one questions Wade Phillips coaching style, despite the fact that he has had zero playoff success means one has an agenda or something personal against the guy.

I accused you of having an agenda? Or are you neurotic because someone else did and anyone who disagrees with you is now a windmill to tilt?

The guy has gone 0-5 in the playoffs. Gee, why would anyone have any questions about him at all?

Again, I said you couldn't question him? hell, I've questioned him. Why would I care if you do?

I hope it's a refillable perscription.



Edit...

Since you are bringing up questionable coaching Histories, I will too. Bill Parcells success all happened while he had Bill Belicheck as his DC. Big Bill could never win without Little Bill. Little Bill has won without Big Bill.

I mean if you're going to hang your hat on Coaching Histories, hang it on that.

 

[cowboys2233]

I did say say many coaches have gone years before they achive a championship what part of that do you not understand?

The part where you contradict yourself. You suggest that winning the SB is not the only gauge of a successful head coach (coaches go years without winning before finally breaking through, etc) and then suggest that Parcells was not successful here because he didn't win a SB, despite the fact that he clearly made this team far better.

I think Parcells goal was to win a SB in Dallas that goal was not achived and no where did I say he was a failure in Dallas only that we did not achive the goals that he wanted.

When someone says a coach wasn't successful, I tend to assume they believe he failed. Call me crazy, I know.

I'm glad BP came to Dallas as I said I do have respect for him as a HC but don't kid yourself BP came with to Dallas with the goal of winning a championship.

Um, I'm pretty sure that's the goal of every coach, but as you said prior to contradicting yourself, sometimes it takes years before a coach "breaks through."

And yes in the end it is up to the player to go out and do the job that includes not making stupid mistakes. Coaches do their best to drill it into players not to but in the end the coach is not on the field he does not play the game the players do.

Yes, that's what you said. And Velvet Jones said he totally agreed with you, and then suggested that mistakes were a function of coaching (even referencing a quote by Phillips himself), which suggests that he doesn't agree with you, but is too stupid to realize it. :laugh2:

In reality, the fact that you and others wanted Parcells gone is a product of your impatience, not his lack of success. You admit that the team got better under his coaching, which is called successful coaching.

 

[Doomsday101]

The part where you contradict yourself. You suggest that winning the SB is not the only gauge of a successful head coach (coaches go years without winning before finally breaking through, etc) and then suggest that Parcells was not successful here because he didn't win a SB, despite the fact that he clearly made this team far better.



When someone says a coach wasn't successful, I tend to assume they believe he failed. Call me crazy, I know.



Um, I'm pretty sure that's the goal of every coach, but as you said prior to contradicting yourself, sometimes it takes years before a coach "breaks through."



Yes, that's what you said. And Velvet Jones said he totally agreed with you, and then suggested that mistakes were a function of coaching (even referencing a quote by Phillips himself), which suggests that he doesn't agree with you, but is too stupid to realize it. :laugh2:

In reality, the fact that you and others wanted Parcells gone is a product of your impatience, not his lack of success. You admit that the team got better under his coaching, which is called successful coaching.

I did not want Parcells gone where are you getting that? BP did not want to go through another year of coaching I can respect that but I would have been thrilled had he wanted to return. Not sure Owens would have been since BP left Owens has not been ringing the endorsement bell of BP.

I think you taking what I am saying and spinning it.

As for Phillips I like what he is doing and I like the fact the player have responded well to him and I think he has a chance in Dallas to get the monkey off his back. Many of his so called playoff loses where with teams who were lucky to even be in the playoffs.

 

[cowboys2233]

I would have been thrilled with a Playoff win when Parcells was here. Super Coach couldn't even do that.

And Wade hasn't either. But you said...

I am fine with Wade.

Which means you prefer the unknown of what Wade might do, rather than what Parcells hadn't yet. That's pretty much what I meant when saying you think the grass is greener. How can you possibly argue against that? That is exactly what that means!

He was more successful with Campo's players than he was with the guys he acquired. That irks me.

The team having success irks you? And do you really believe that team was more talented than the one we had two years ago? Really?

No, I will admit that I was behind Garrett from the word go.

Again pointing out that you believe the grass is greener. You are behind going with a complete unknown over a surefire HOF head coach. That's fine, but you need to admit that's what you're doing.

Why would this surprise me? I assume you are a Cowboys fan. Isn't that what we all want? Or am I missing something?

Yeah, you're apparently missing the hundreds of other people on this board. I referred to "some of you," suggesting I was referring to a greater audience than you alone. For the record, you didn't suggest that. But when one claims I have an "agenda" (again, not you!) against Phillips, it means I want him to do poorly. By extension, that would mean I would want the team to do poorly. See how that works? And I don't want the team to do poorly.

I accused you of having an agenda? Or are you neurotic because someone else did and anyone who disagrees with you is now a windmill to tilt?

See above. :laugh2:

I hope it's a refillable perscription.

Having intelligence and sound logic is a bottomless "perscription," baby!

Edit...

Since you are bringing up questionable coaching Histories, I will too. Bill Parcells success all happened while he had Bill Belicheck as his DC. Big Bill could never win without Little Bill. Little Bill has won without Big Bill.

Then you're again suggesting that the fact that he made this team far better during his time here cannot be considered successful coaching. Which is ridiculous. Remember, Eli sucked and was not a successful QB...until he won the SB. The problem with that is, they're the same guy. The fact that Parcells made this team better means that the team was closer to winning the SB than they were before he got here. Again, how can you possibly argue against that?

 

[Hostile]

And Wade hasn't either. But you said...

Which means you prefer the unknown of what Wade might do, rather than what Parcells hadn't yet. That's pretty much was I meant when saying you think the grass is greener. How can you possibly argue against that? That is exactly what that means!

No, it means that based on the results of last year I see no reason to be a panicky nervous Nancy who has undies crawling up my butt so that anyone who disagrees with me causes all kinds of drama.

But thanks for your attempted diagnosis there Dr. Phil.

The team having success irks you? And do you really believe that team was more talented than the one we had two years ago? Really?

Was I speaking Greek to you or something? I typed it in English I swear. I said it irks me that he was more successful with Campo's players than he was the ones he acquired or that were acquired under him.

Truth? I don't think he was very motivated to win unless it was done exactly as he wanted it. He couldn't allow players space and could not adapt to their talents. He saw that as an affront to his genius.

Again pointing out that you believe the grass is greener. You are behind going with a complete unknown over a surefire HOF head coach. That's fine, but you need to admit that's what you're doing.

I did admit it. Because that sure fire HOF coach was a disappointment and I already said I was glad he was gone.

I wasn't kidding. I took the wife out to dinner to celebrate. I called a friend from the forum who was not online so I could tell him.

Yeah, you're apparently missing the hundreds of other people on this board. I referred to "some of you," suggesting I was referring to a greater audience than you alone. For the record, you didn't suggest that. But when one claims I have an "agenda" (again, not you!) against Phillips, it means I want him to do poorly. By extension, that would mean I would want the team to do poorly. See how that works? And I don't want the team to do poorly.

No, I don't see how that works. I can understand you discussing that with someone else. I have no earthly clue what it has to do with me.

Hundreds are disagreeing with you? Well, no wonder you're neurotic when I did.

See above. :laugh2:

There's a white tile ceiling. So what?

Having intelligence and sound logic is a bottomless "perscription," baby!

At least you admit it's out of a bottle.

Then you're again suggesting that the fact that he made this team far better during his time here cannot be considered successful coaching. Which is ridiculous.

I never said that at all. In fact I never hinted at it. In fact I never thought it.

What I did say was that if what Wade did with Buffalo and Denver is relevant to the Cowboys (BTW, 0-4, not 0-5. No charge for the lesson.), then we might as well look at Parcells negative History too. I didn't even bring up the fact he hasn't won a Super Bowl since before the current crop of 16 years old were twinkles in Daddy's eyes and a blue stripe on a pregnancy test.

Remember, Eli sucked and was not a successful QB...until he won the SB. The problem with that is, they're the same guy.

Now we're talking about QBs?

You like to jump all over trying to divert attention away from the point huh?

The fact that Parcells made this team better means that the team was closer to winning the SB than they were before he got here. Again, how can you possibly argue against that?

I never said we were further form the Super Bowl than before he got here did I Slappy?

So instead of trying to use useless logic for which no one gives a flying monkey poop, why dontcha just stay on topic?

 

[cowboys2233]

No, it means that based on the results of last year I see no reason to be a panicky nervous Nancy who has undies crawling up my butt so that anyone who disagrees with me causes all kinds of drama.

Who said I was panicking? I was making an observation, one that was negative towards The Great One, Wade Phillips, and everyone else got their panties in a bunch. I said mean things about Wade, the horror! :laugh2:

What I did say was that if what Wade did with Buffalo and Denver is relevant to the Cowboys (BTW, 0-4, not 0-5. No charge for the lesson.), then we might as well look at Parcells negative History too.

Yes, you and others love to bring up Parcells negative history and ignore all of the positives. You should pay more attention, because there's a ton of them. My bad on the record (although strangely enough, it still comes out to a zero winning percentage), I am not a Wade Phillips historian. Hopefully for his, yours and my sake, it doesn't get to 0-5.

I am ready to move on, you win whatever it is we were arguing about.

 

[cowboys2233]

I think he has a chance in Dallas to get the monkey off his back. Many of his so called playoff loses where with teams who were lucky to even be in the playoffs.

Hey, I hope you're right, believe me. As I've said many times, I do love his 3-4 defense far more than the one that Parcells had us running. To me, a one-gap scheme is far better than a two-gap scheme. Accounting for two gaps equates to hesitant play IMO. And it can't be nearly as much fun for players to play in.

And I was right there with you last year, I thought with this team's talent and his defensive schemes, we were going to be money. But then after losing, seeing this team's lackluster play and excuse-making in the preseason so far this year, etc., I am starting to think that there might be something to his winless playoff record. Again, I pray I'm wrong. Losing to Seattle two years ago sucked bad, last year sucked worse. If this team starts to slip from that, my television is in big trouble. :laugh2:

 

[Doomsday101]

I think most of us right now do have high expectations and the pressure is on.
I like Wade but no doubt about it he and his team has to win. We got very good players and a very good coaching staff and I for one am excited about this team and their chances this year.

I don't make excuses for losing and didn't last year vs NY. In my view Dallas made way too many mistakes vs the Giants and those mistakes cost us.

 

[Hostile]

Who said I was panicking?

I did. You really don't grasp the quote function huh? When I am talking it means I said it. Your responses to me look like your diet is fingernails and Maalox.

Hence I used something called hyperbole to point out how ridiculous the panic is.

I was making an observation, one that was negative towards The Great One, Wade Phillips, and everyone else got their panties in a bunch. I said mean things about Wade, the horror! :laugh2:

Ah, so you do get hyperbole. My faith is somewhat restored. Now learn that applying what I say to me and what others say to them makes more sense.

If someone says you have an agenda it doesn't mean you have to assure me you don't. Trust me, if I want to say you have an agenda I will. Oh and we all have them.

Yes, you and others love to bring up Parcells negative history and ignore all of the positives.

I should be flogged for my honesty.

You should pay more attention, because there's a ton of them.

There are just as many reasons for me to be happy he's gone including the overall attitude of the football team.

My bad on the record (although strangely enough, it still comes out to a zero winning percentage), I am not a Wade Phillips historian. Hopefully for his, yours and my sake, it doesn't get to 0-5.

No, you aren't a Wade Historian but you were thumping your chest pretty loudly about how intelligent you were.

Just saying.

I am ready to move on, you win whatever it is we were arguing about.

Toodles.

 

[cowboys2233]

There are just as many reasons for me to be happy he's gone including the overall attitude of the football team.

Why should you give a flying you-know-what about the overall attitude of the team? If it doesn't equate into playoff victories, then we'll have the happiest bunch of losers in the land! The team looked pretty happy when Fat Campo squeezed himself into the wetsuit when Hard Knocks came around the first time. How did that work out? Are you really that sensitive to be concerned about the team's wizzle feelings?

Toodles.

Oh wait, you are. :laugh2:

 

[Hostile]

Why should you give a flying you-know-what about the overall attitude of the team? If it doesn't equate into playoff victories, then we'll have the happiest bunch of losers in the land! The team looked pretty happy when Fat Campo squeezed himself into the wetsuit when Hard Knocks came around the first time. How did that work out? Are you really that sensitive to be concerned about the team's wizzle feelings?



Oh wait, you are. :laugh2:

You know what cracks me up about you Parcells Glory Train riders? The only thing you've got to hang your train engineer's hat on is that he did better than Dave freaking Campo. As if that is some kind of accomplishment. By all means, enjoy your train ride. All aboard the Kiss Up to Parcells Express.

Is it anything like the Love Boat? I don't mean in that it will be making another run. I already know that it will. Do you have your own versions of Isaac, Gopher, Doc, and Julie? Oh my gosh Dude! Are you Captain Stubing?

 

[dadymat]

I for one was the happiest man alive when we got Parcells and he obviously changed the direction of the Boys but you will have to admit that he did as much, if not more things to hold us back while he was here with his stubborn ways....he was so loyal to his former players and coaches ( Parcells Guys) that he would cater to them at the cost of our team....I mean really the QBs he ran through here ( and dont give me Romo...Peyton found for this guy..if it werent for Quincy failing drug test Parcells wouldve cut Romo)....regardless of what he says the only times he went to Super Bowls was with good QBs not bus drivers....I mean drafting guys like Ju Jones over Steven Jackson (because he reminded him of Curtis Martin...polease).......he did hit on some but overall his drafting was terrible


2006
Carpenter
Fasono
Hatcher
Green
Watkins
Stanley
Mcquistan
whitley

that draft alone should have gotten him fired ......

2005 ill admit was a sweet draft

2004

Ju Jones
Rogers
Peterman
Thornton
Ryan
Nate Jones
Crayton
Reeves

aside from Crayton this was horrible......

2003
T new
Al Johnson
Witten
James
Tucker
Z Smith
Bates

3 out of 7 on this one....but

9 or 10 out of 31 players isnt that good...his drafts were terrible ...his free agent signings were very questionable.........he was a good motivator for some, others he isolated ......he wanted to be the only personality on the team .....his play calling was disturbing and predictable, his game management was good, and even with his hard ars dictator ways the Cowboys still had to many penalties.....which like he said " I dont coach penalties"....

now like I said I cant ignore that while under Parcells they made a drastic improvement but for the life of me i cant figure out why........

 

[cowboys2233]

You know what cracks me up about you Parcells Glory Train riders? The only thing you've got to hang your train engineer's hat on is that he did better than Dave freaking Campo. As if that is some kind of accomplishment. By all means, enjoy your train ride. All aboard the Kiss Up to Parcells Express.

What does this have to do with Dave Campo, other than point out that he was just another decent position coach who couldn't hack it as a head coach? The fact is, Parcells takes bad teams and make them good ones.

The horror!!

Is it anything like the Love Boat? I don't mean in that it will be making another run. I already know that it will. Do you have your own versions of Isaac, Gopher, Doc, and Julie? Oh my gosh Dude! Are you Captain Stubing?

I wish, that would be a sweet gig.

 

[Doomsday101]

I for one was the happiest man alive when we got Parcells and he obviously changed the direction of the Boys but you will have to admit that he did as much, if not more things to hold us back while he was here with his stubborn ways....he was so loyal to his former players and coaches ( Parcells Guys) that he would cater to them at the cost of our team....I mean really the QBs he ran through here ( and dont give me Romo...Peyton found for this guy..if it werent for Quincy failing drug test Parcells wouldve cut Romo)....regardless of what he says the only times he went to Super Bowls was with good QBs not bus drivers....I mean drafting guys like Ju Jones over Steven Jackson (because he reminded him of Curtis Martin...polease).......he did hit on some but overall his drafting was terrible


2006
Carpenter
Fasono
Hatcher
Green
Watkins
Stanley
Mcquistan
whitley

that draft alone should have gotten him fired ......

2005 ill admit was a sweet draft

2004

Ju Jones
Rogers
Peterman
Thornton
Ryan
Nate Jones
Crayton
Reeves

aside from Crayton this was horrible......

2003
T new
Al Johnson
Witten
James
Tucker
Z Smith
Bates

3 out of 7 on this one....but

9 or 10 out of 31 players isnt that good...his drafts were terrible ...his free agent signings were very questionable.........he was a good motivator for some, others he isolated ......he wanted to be the only personality on the team .....his play calling was disturbing and predictable, his game management was good, and even with his hard ars dictator ways the Cowboys still had to many penalties.....which like he said " I dont coach penalties"....

now like I said I cant ignore that while under Parcells they made a drastic improvement but for the life of me i cant figure out why........

Some good FA addition. Colombo, Davis and Owens were 3 big additions

 

[Hostile]

What does this have to do with Dave Campo, other than point out that he was just another decent position coach who couldn't hack it as a head coach? The fact is, Parcells takes bad teams and make them good ones.

The horror!!

You borught up Dave Campo and then don't know what it has to do with Dave Campo?

And they're coming to take me away ha-haaa
They're coming to take me away ho ho hee hee ha haaa
To the funny farm
Where life is beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see those nice young men
In their clean white coats
And they're coming to take me away ha haaa

I wish, that would be a sweet gig.

Nice to see you finally roll with a joke.

 

[cowboys2233]

Some good FA addition. Colombo, Davis and Owens were 3 big additions

I don't even need to see all that detail either. The fact is, the team became much, much better under his watch. We can pick and analyze each player, who did what and who wanted who, but the fact is, he made this team much stronger than it was and in a relatively short period of time.

I mean, don't you remember?!?! I realize how dark and nasty those days were and I too have tried to eliminate them from memory...but I can't. For God's sakes, I can't! :laugh2:

Parcells has always made his teams much stronger, is this always just a coincidence or luck? I think not.

Phillips hasn't done JACK yet. That's a fact. Why on earth are some of you so willing to give this guy the benefit of the doubt and suggest that Parcells never would have gotten this team over the playoff hump and/or into the SB? That just doesn't compute!

 

[cowboys2233]

You borught up Dave Campo and then don't know what it has to do with Dave Campo?


Nice to see you finally roll with a joke.

What are you talking about, I've used several laughing emoticons today! :laugh2: See?

 

[Hostile]

What are you talking about, I've used several laughing emoticons today! :laugh2: See?

About bad first impressions people make on others.

 

[cowboys2233]

About bad first impressions people make on others.

My second one tends to be much better. Just you wait and see!

Hell, I don't even like Parcells, I think he is a fat bastage. How in the heck did I get into this pro-Parcells side of the debate?!?!

Bring back Jimmy!

 

[Hostile]

My second one tends to be much better. Just you wait and see!

Hell, I don't even like Parcells, I think he is a fat bastage. How in the heck did I get into this pro-Parcells side of the debate?!?!

Bring back Jimmy!

Welcome to the suck.