DMN: Cowlishaw: Cowboys have almost nothing to show from '08, '09 and '12 drafts

[Trendnet]

This will get swept under the rug by those who will never get it. The average NFL life is 3.5 years. In the era of Free Agency players move on to multiple teams. Further the same people who will grip about 2008 would be griping if we kept Felix, Martellus, and Jenkins. They are never happy with anything and never will be.

A who's who list of that 2009 draft.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NFL_Draft

 

[JPM]

A who's who list of that 2009 draft.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NFL_Draft

Yikes! that is as bad as a first round as I have ever seen.

 

[Hostile]

I think you get a pass when you get to the Super Bowl. Just saying.

They do. The Cowboys wouldn't. I guarantee it.

 

[Oh_Canada]

This will get swept under the rug by those who will never get it. The average NFL life is 3.5 years. In the era of Free Agency players move on to multiple teams. Further the same people who will grip about 2008 would be griping if we kept Felix, Martellus, and Jenkins. They are never happy with anything and never will be.

Looked at Seattle and Denver for 2008/2009 drafts.

Seattle - 2008 has 1 player on team, 2009 has 1 player on team
Denver - 2008 has 1 player on team, 2009 has 3 players on team

I'm glad you posted this, because it saved me some work. People get too caught up in this stuff, 2008 might as well be a decade ago in this era of salary caps.
2012 is debatable, obviously they could have done better, but if Crawford and Johnson return from injury to become starters will it be that bad?

 

[jterrell]

Please... We've all seen how Jerry manages the cap. He doesn't hesitate to pay guys he wants to keep. Sell that somewhere else.

not sure anything you are saying has anything to do with what i'm saying.

the chief issue IMHO in dallas has been post new CBA cap mgmt led by Stephen Jones and his scheduled restructure framework around contracts.

jerry isnt signing anyone he wants; he may well be paying too much for a couple apples of his eye but you can darn well bet if there was no cap he'd have signed a lot more quality free agents.

dallas has signed one true FA of note in this new CBA era: Carr.
And had to write one of the worst contracts in history to get that done.

Dallas has been proven by anyone who studies draft to have been an above average drafting team in the past 5 years or so.
They have not been above average in cap mgmt.

In fact the only two teams who are heavily utilizing this crazy push money forward, eat future dead money philosophy is likewise in cap hell and mediocresville in record with a franchise type QB: the Steelers.

 

[Tobal]

I have no clue why Jenkins wasn't kept, I always felt like the front office blew that, but no ones nucleus consists of the 08 draft. That was just dumb...

 

[Nova]

I'll keep saying it until writers realize it:

The 2009 draft was awful for just about everyone.

Worse draft than even this past year where everyone was in awe of how little talent there was.

 

[jterrell]

I'm glad you posted this, because it saved me some work. People get too caught up in this stuff, 2008 might as well be a decade ago in this era of salary caps.
2012 is debatable, obviously they could have done better, but if Crawford and Johnson return from injury to become starters will it be that bad?

Your point brings up the fact that injuries DO MATTER.
Of course the 2012 draft looks bad.
Half the draft class was hurt last year.
That doesn't mean the draft haul was bad, it means 2013 was a crappy year for the 2012 draft class.

and in this tighter cap era it is tough as crap to have a 2nd year draft class decimated by injuries yet keep rolling.

Think Seattle would in the SB if Russell Wilson had played 10 games and Bruce Irvin was out all year?

Belichek said NFL teams must turn over 1/3 of the roster every year.
Not a math whiz but gonna assume that means 5th and 6th year guys you drafted are rarities not the rule.

 

[Nova]

I have no clue why Jenkins wasn't kept, I always felt like the front office blew that, but no ones nucleus consists of the 08 draft. That was just dumb...

Thought he would cost too much and he didn't seem to want to be here.

I liked Jenkins. But I thought it made sense to let him go.

 

[jterrell]

I have no clue why Jenkins wasn't kept, I always felt like the front office blew that, but no ones nucleus consists of the 08 draft. That was just dumb...

it looks like club relations with jenkins, choice and martyb sucked.
maybe the players really were malcontent numbskulls or maybe the team didnt handle it well.
who knows.

what i do is all 3 have legit NFL talent.
and it isn't about player development...
martyb left as the best blocking TE in all of football.
jenkins was oft-injured but a solid cover guy.
choice had good games here and didnt get fat like felix.

if jenkins and claiborne split snaps they might be all-pro together, lol.

 

[Nova]

Looked at Seattle and Denver for 2008/2009 drafts.

Seattle - 2008 has 1 player on team, 2009 has 1 player on team
Denver - 2008 has 1 player on team, 2009 has 3 players on team

You can add NE to that as well. Only Jerrod Mayo remains on that team.

The 2008 draft isn't hurting us as much as the others because it's kind of the natural progression of things to lose players after 5 years. Can't afford to re-sign everyone.

 

[Future]

Looked at Seattle and Denver for 2008/2009 drafts.

Seattle - 2008 has 1 player on team, 2009 has 1 player on team
Denver - 2008 has 1 player on team, 2009 has 3 players on team

Good post. People seem to forget that Dallas isn't the only team that misses in the draft from time to time.

 

[TheCount]

Yikes! that is as bad as a first round as I have ever seen.

I can't even figure out if you guys are serious... The 2009 draft was a decent draft. We had the most picks and came out of it with zilch. This isn't some example of how howwible cowboy fans are, it was a terrible draft class by the Cowboys that was prefaced by some even worse personnel decisions.

Even the 2008 draft had its bright spots. including Mike Jenkins (who we sent packing) and Orlando Scandrick, who was our best corner last year. Heck, even Erik Walden could have probably stuck around if the staff wasn't so stupid as to think a 6th round, undersized DE from Middle Tenneesse State could figure out how to play 3-4 OLB in the NFL in one training camp.

Anyone trying to fool themselves into thinking that we haven't gotten much out of those 3 classes because cowboy fans are so insufferable is kidding themselves.

Dragging Seattle and Denver into it is ridiculous. Both teams have undergone complete makerovers in the past 4 or 5 years.

You can't have BOTH bad personnel calls and bad draft classes, it just doesn't work.

 

[casmith07]

Cowlishaw: Cowboys have almost nothing to show from '08, '09 and '12 drafts

Published: 27 January 2014 11:21 PM

Columnist Tim Cowlishaw answered questions in a chat Thursday. Here are some highlights.

Question: Do you ever consider that it's much easier to do the draft as words in the air vs. having to actually draft a player? Jerry has done if not the best job at least a very competent job on the drafts for a very much longer time than you or any writer has given him credit for. And you sure don't hear any crap about his first pick last year anymore do you?

Tim Cowlishaw: I don't know how you could look at recent drafts and say that. From 2008, Scandrick is the only player here. From 2009, no one is here. 2012 appears to have been a terrible draft -- trading up to get Claiborne. In what world, are these good drafts? They should provide the core of this team right now and there is almost nothing there.

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...w-from-08-09-and-12-drafts.ece?nclick_check=1

Considering the 08 and 09 drafts were 5 and 6 years ago, and considering the average NFL career lasts less than 3.5 years, I would be willing to say there are a lot of teams with not a lot to show from those drafts if you look top to bottom. But that would require Cowlishaw to do actual research on one of those other teams that plays in the NFL...you know, any 31 of them.

Tim, if you're reading this, I love you on Around The Horn, man. You're better than this article!

 

[conner01]

Which may speak to our inability to cultivate talent.

or the fact most players in the nfl are'nt playing with the same team 5 years later. that means you have to give them second contracts. you can't judge a draft by how many players are still on your roster 5 years later. you judge a draft by how many and how productive they still are in the nfl 5 years later

 

[peplaw06]

not sure that matters.
cowlishaw's point was those drafts should form the nucleus of your team.
...except apparently if you want to go to the super bowl.

feel free to examine the 49ers and Pats as well. very few bodies form those drafts still around.

cowlishaw made a point that has no basis in fact.
it was an idiom he pulled out of his backside that hateful little mongrels lapped up.

No, that was ONE of his points.... The other was that they weren't good drafts. The poster I responded to said Seattle and Denver didn't have good drafts in 08 and 09 either. I stated that they have changed GMs since then. Not sure how that's not relevant.

 

[peplaw06]

The average NFL life is 3.5 years.

the average NFL career lasts less than 3.5 years

Echo chamber.

 

[Alexander]

What I have learned from this thread is that NFL players only last 3.5 years. Therefore it is okay to screw up drafts with players you get next to nothing out of for those 3.5 years. Got it.

 

[casmith07]

Echo chamber.

I heard it on Colin Cowherd yesterday when he was talking about college basketball players going pro. Don't mince my words with other individuals.

 

[peplaw06]

not sure anything you are saying has anything to do with what i'm saying.

the chief issue IMHO in dallas has been post new CBA cap mgmt led by Stephen Jones and his scheduled restructure framework around contracts.

jerry isnt signing anyone he wants; he may well be paying too much for a couple apples of his eye but you can darn well bet if there was no cap he'd have signed a lot more quality free agents.

dallas has signed one true FA of note in this new CBA era: Carr.
And had to write one of the worst contracts in history to get that done.

Dallas has been proven by anyone who studies draft to have been an above average drafting team in the past 5 years or so.
They have not been above average in cap mgmt.

In fact the only two teams who are heavily utilizing this crazy push money forward, eat future dead money philosophy is likewise in cap hell and mediocresville in record with a franchise type QB: the Steelers.

Yeah, because you're changing the argument. First, it was we lost a bunch of guys we drafted because of the cap and free agency. Now, it's we can't bring in new free agents, except for Carr.

Don't see how those two statements aren't the same thing?

Everyone knows that the Cowboys of recent years don't hesitate to extend the players on their roster that they want to keep, use the franchise tag, etc. When a player who has been here leaves, it usually means that player is on his last legs or the player has been a failure or otherwise crossed Jerry in some way.